Re: my humble opinion

[sweetnpetite]

Re: my humble opinion (Post here instead of I AM OUTRAGED)

I realize that many people want to respond to the things that have been posted in the thread titled "I Am Outraged", PLEASE DO IT HERE. We are trying to get the old thread to die down.


Out of respect for the author who was disparaged and singled out in the other thread, please post on the topic of lit's "no minors in sexual situations" rule here. Also welcome here are any other thoughts on issues discussed in this thread such as laws, policies, societies views on sex and adolecence/childhood, what constitutes a pedophile or any other topic that seems related. Questions on weather a particular story crosses the line, ect are also particularly welcome. I realize that many people want to respond to the things that have been posted in the previous thread, PLEASE DO IT HERE. We are trying to get the old thread to die down.





Re: my humble opinion

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Originally posted by CrownJoolz
I have much less of a problem with projecting into the future when a celebrity comes of legal age than I do with some of the stories that really push the envelope.

There's another story which is in the Toplist which clearly states the girl is 18, but could pass for at least 3 years younger. And I've seen this tactic used in quite a few other stories as well.

Those kinds of things bother me. They skirt the rules and they blur the line between erotica and kiddie porn. I personally don't think the Olsen Twins at their 18th birthday party fall into that category. The celebrity category, in my mind, is mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.

JMHO.

Joolz
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I'm always very sensative about being clear that my characters are over 18, if there is any suggestion that they are not (high school, teenager, young girl, school-girl or whatever) However sometimes you feel like acnowledging in a sidewinding way that your character was NOT a virgin til her 18th birthday and that teenagers do indeed have ****edited for content********

On the one hand, I kind of agree with you. On the other hand, I am 28 and still look like jail-bait. If I wrote a story that was about ME, I would have to change that detail and sometimes I don't mind, sometimes I do. Since all of my stories are ultimatley about my fantasy, I feel that my situation and who I am is totaly legitamate. I really am an adult who looks like a teenager. What comes out of my mind and experience is likely to reflect that, and its frustrating to have that part of who I am stiffled because someone thinks I'm writing "kiddie porn" or endorsing pedophilia.

Even worse than that, when I was 18, I actully looked like a well developed 12 year old. I was told that nearly every day, and it got worse when I turned 21 and everyone said, "are you sure you don't have that backwards?" These days I have to explain my age a lot bc my oldest child is 9 years old. So what sounds perverse to some is a daily fact of my life. I don't think that every guy who hits on me without seeing my id is a pedophile (even if he does probably think I'm a teenager). And I have to say I get more than my fair share of adult male attention.

I wonder if I wrote a story adressing this issue if it would be allowed? I actually have a few ideas that would make good if controversial stories.

 

[Master_Vassago]

Just a thought but would anyone be truly outraged it if were a 17 year old male on the eve of his 18th birthday as all the cliche's go? In our society a male that reaches his 18th birthday and is still a virgin is ridiculed by his friends and peers. I know this from experience, I confess. But I was too wrapped up in sports, and work until I was 17 to do the deed. When you play all year round and work out and have to help at home and then you also work as a late night cook or dishwasher or manager of a restaraunt the last thing you have free time for is getting laid.

Not that I didn't think about it, about 3000 times a day. Yet, still when it happened it was great and all but I still had to keep up grades and was in college already so come on it happens people have sex before they are 18.

If I had My choice I would have been having sex with every girl that offered it. Yes, there were offers and yes I did take them up every so often but I wish now I had more then.

Sorry got sidetracked. NO. To answer My own question no one would feel horrified to read that some 17 year old and his girlfriend slipped away after the prom to make some sweaty sweet fumbling love. Ok so it didn't last long the first few times but that isn't the issue here. Practice made perfect or so My ladies told Me in later years.

The point is before I get to off the subject, we do hold a double standard here. No one will try and push Laurel on this, yet unless it blantantly said 17 Year OLD HIGH SCHOOL BOY HAS SEX no one would complain. You could skirt the issue by saying the high school senior. I do see the merit in what was said above in the post.

Simply though, I was a 17 year old senior, and was also attending college already for two years. One would think that simply that enough would have qualified Me as mature enough to engage in smart safe consensual sex with a female aquaintance.

Basically it boils do to who the fuck cares. As long as you don't say they are underage and you word your story carefully even the most dutiful proofreader could miss the hint that the person was 17. Plus the whole ordeal arose because a celebrity or rather twin celebrities were named and used and because their ages were jacked up by a couple years.

I think what was the real horror is the people it disturbed didn't allow for creative liscense. (I probably discaboobulated that word oh well it's late here.) I understand the need for Laurel to remove the stories and supported her decision 100%. Yes, I hated that two well written creative stories that were highly ranked had to be pulled but she's the boss here. In a sense if there were any ramifications that had come due to some obscure law I would have felt guilty and responsible. I refused to fight the issue simply because I love this site and the freedom that it has 99.9% of the time. If I had it to do all over again I would do the same thing exactly as before. Supporting whatever decision that Laurel made.

To answer a few questions I have received though. YEs, I was pissed to the point of pulling all the stories I had but then I stepped away thought about it and realized if the people loved those stories that much now then I will just wait until the two females are 18 for sure and then submit something even more hot and steamy and those who saw the first stories will return to see what devious plot I cooked up for them this time.

OK I AM SHUTTING UP NOW.

 

[CrownJoolz]

Just a thought but would anyone be truly outraged it if were a 17 year old male on the eve of his 18th birthday as all the cliche's go? In our society a male that reaches his 18th birthday and is still a virgin is ridiculed by his friends and peers. I know this from experience, I confess. But I was too wrapped up in sports, and work until I was 17 to do the deed. When you play all year round and work out and have to help at home and then you also work as a late night cook or dishwasher or manager of a restaraunt the last thing you have free time for is getting laid.


The point is before I get to off the subject, we do hold a double standard here. No one will try and push Laurel on this, yet unless it blantantly said 17 Year OLD HIGH SCHOOL BOY HAS SEX no one would complain. You could skirt the issue by saying the high school senior. I do see the merit in what was said above in the post.

Basically it boils do to who the fuck cares. As long as you don't say they are underage and you word your story carefully even the most dutiful proofreader could miss the hint that the person was 17. Plus the whole ordeal arose because a celebrity or rather twin celebrities were named and used and because their ages were jacked up by a couple years.

I'm not so old I don't remember my teen years!


I remember quite clearly what went on with myself and my friends, which is why I'm an advocate for birth control by request in high school. Paint me a rebel.

I personally wouldn't have problems with stories involving older teens, 16, 17 etc. But if the laws of the land state that all sexual encounters must be by persons at least 18 years of age, then that's that. I would like to clarify the area of my discomfort.

The point I was trying to make in my original post was that I found it ironic that a story which went to great lengths to make it clear the characters were 18, and did not try to make them seem younger, had to be pulled, yet there are stories which skirt the rules which are still standing. I have come across quite a few which state the girl is 18 and then use a physical description which would evoke the image of a MUCH younger girl. That is what bothers me. A description of a girl who is barely into puberty followed by "I couldn't believe she was really 18." A story like that is legal, but the MK&A one could cause problems. Go figure.

I don't know how it works for other people, but when I read something, I also "see" it in my mind. I prefer 1st person stories, because they allow me to step into the shoes of the narrator and become a "participant". This is why I don't read incest or non-consent stories. I don't find them appealing in any way, but some do. So when I come across a story in a category I do like, and I find someone skirting the rules, blurring the line between a child and a woman, or even the line between a child and an adolescent, no matter how well the story is written, I close it. I could be vindictive and vote it a "1", but I just close it.

Ciao,
Joolz

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by CrownJoolz . . . I don't know how it works for other people, but when I read something, I also "see" it in my mind. I prefer 1st person stories, because they allow me to step into the shoes of the narrator and become a "participant". This is why I don't read incest or non-consent stories. I don't find them appealing in any way, but some do. So when I come across a story in a category I do like, and I find someone skirting the rules, blurring the line between a child and a woman, or even the line between a child and an adolescent, no matter how well the story is written, I close it. I could be vindictive and vote it a "1", but I just close it. Ciao, Joolz [/B]

I've been watching this discussion for awhile. I'm curious - if the age limit used in a story meets the minimum requirement Laurel has set for Literotica - what is anyone's problem?

(We aren't talking about molesting children - which is horrifying - but sexually consenting high school age young adults.) My incest story below has the young woman at age 29, by the way.

But anyway, the only reason I posted was because of your last line.

There are many different categories on Literotica, for good reason. We are all different, thus different things appeal to each.

I certainly hope you don't ever vote a story a "1" just because it doesn't interest you personally. That is unjust to the writer's hard work, time and effort!

 

[violent intimacy]

There are many different categories on Literotica, for good reason. We are all different, thus different things appeal to each.

I certainly hope you don't ever vote a story a "1" just because it doesn't interest you personally. That is unjust to the writer's hard work, time and effort!

Well said. I agree, and I have never voted someone down for writing about something I found uninteresting or distasteful.

Someone (they can identify themselves if they wish) sent me feedback about one of my stories saying "I gave you a 5 even though your story kind of scared the fuck out of me because it was so well written". Of course, I was quite flattered and very pleased, but my point is it made me think about how I rate stories when I read them. I'd like to think that I'm fair and vote based on how well the story is written, not the core subject matter.

And... I think I'm off-topic for this thread, aren't I? *tiptoes away quickly*

 

[openthighs_sarah]

Someone (they can identify themselves if they wish) sent me feedback about one of my stories saying "I gave you a 5 even though your story kind of scared the fuck out of me because it was so well written"./B]

Fuck! Someone sent you the exact same feedback that I sent you?

Okay, I've been avoiding work too long tonight... *darts away gracefully*

 

[CrownJoolz]

I've been watching this discussion for awhile. I'm curious - if the age limit used in a story meets the minimum requirement Laurel has set for Literotica - what is anyone's problem?

(We aren't talking about molesting children - which is horrifying - but sexually consenting high school age young adults.) My incest story below has the young woman at age 29, by the way.

But anyway, the only reason I posted was because of your last line.

There are many different categories on Literotica, for good reason. We are all different, thus different things appeal to each.

I certainly hope you don't ever vote a story a "1" just because it doesn't interest you personally. That is unjust to the writer's hard work, time and effort!

My votes are based strictly on my opinion of the quality of the work. To be honest, if I think a story deserves less than a 3, I don't vote on it, I'll just send some constructive feedback.

Why do I care how someone describes a character as long as s/he is at least 18? Maybe I'm just anal (speaking of which, I LOVED your how-to... gave it a 5 as a matter of fact. But I digress). I don't like to feel jerked around. If I'm reading about some hot encounter between two 18-year-olds, and the author then provides a physical description which better suits a 12-year-old, it's using a rule to get around the same rule. It's a way to put someone who should be off limits into a sexual context.

I hope that wasn't too jumbled. I'm incredibly tired.

Joolz

 

[sweetnpetite]

from the originating thread

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Originally posted by Tamlee
"Sweet little 16 year old"? You seem to be under the impression that the average teenager doesn't develop naughty thoughts or actively attempt to have sex. This may be the case for some, but the (US) government's panic about teen pregnancy is based on something, and it can't all be rape and contaminated swimming pools. Yes, it would be nice to think that it was nice and simple, that on one's 18th birthday, the Good Sex Fairy bestowed the ability to fantasize. It just doesn't happen to be true in any case that I'm familiar with.

This is not to say that I think you're horrible for not wanting people to be taken advantage of. It's a role of society to protect those who are not knowledgeable or powerful enough to protect themselves. I do think that innocence is the wrong word, though. Inexperienced, unready, deserving of our protection, emotionally immature, focused on other things, sure. But no sweet little teenager is completely innocent. It's not a moral issue; it's a legal one. Quite a few people on this thread seem to believe in the myth of childhood and adolescent innocence. I don't know if the childhood innocence is true, but I know adolescent innocence isn't.

When you know that students learn about the Holocaust and Ebola in schools, how can you think that they're these mindless, trusting little zombies? Would you seriously want to think that everything they learned just bounced off and only kicked in when they turned 18? "Gee Suzy, I never thought about how horrible the world could be or how nice it would feel to get laid!" It just doesn't make sense. Most suicide attempts would be on the 18th birthday.

Protecting those underage from being exploited because they're forbidden, is responsible and caring. It says very good things about the concerned individuals here that they are worried about the welfare of those without direct legal representation. But selectively applying morals at a site blatantly portraying pornography seems a bit silly. Not publish something because it violates the law? Perfectly rational. Not publish because the site owner, for whatever reason, doesn't care for it? Totally understandable. Not publish because it's immoral? Completely illogical.

I didn't mean to make this so long, but I think these things should be said. Literoticans can be very tolerant, but sometimes I think people forget that this site is, by conventional standards, immoral. If a teenager doesn't want to have sex until well after they graduate college or get married or whatever, the laws in place to protect them should be dependable. But I'm not going to call anyone who happens to find a teenager attractive a pedophile. They act on it, not cool. They admire but keep their hands off, totally cool.

Anyhow, to wrap this up, this is an opinion thing. As long as we can all realize that no one person's opinion runs this show but Laurel's, I think things might snap into perspective. It's all very well to say that you're outraged about something, but if you don't like something you can always find a different way to spend your time. As so many have said, just don't open the durn story. <Thank you to anyone whose patience took you this far>
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I was not going to post here again and bump this thread, but I really would like to say, thanks for posting this. You very articulatlty said what I was trying to say. Funny thing is I was having a conversation with someone about this topic yesterday and he had the same pov. We need to get real about sex in this country, and take our blinders off. 18 is an arbetrairy legal age, not an absolute moral one. We are all sexual our whole lives through. But heaven forbid we admit it.

LicksUWell
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sweetnpetite wrote on 04-15-2003 11:43 AM:
YOu posted the following on the board "I am outraged" and I was wondering if you would be willing to copy it over to the new thread on the discussion "Re just my humble opinion" where we are carying on the topic. I didn't want to just go ahead and do it, bc. its not my post and you would not be able to edit it if you wanted later

Hi!
Yes, you can use it. And I really appreciate your asking first, that's classy.
Licks


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Thanks Sweet, I agree!
Completely! The age is arbitrary, and our society acts pretty naive about these matters in general. I like the fact that we protect our children (and young adults), but I recognize how attractive some are as they approach adulthood and also that some become sexually aware and active long before 18. I hope each has the opportunity to learn about the joys of sex in a safe, supportive and loving way, at whatever age they start. As for those of us adults that occasionally notice a sexually attractive minor, it's really about what we do with that awareness, not that we are wrong to notice. They deserve our protection and support as they learn and grow, not our exploitation.

 

[the_bragis]

I'm curious - if the age limit used in a story meets the minimum requirement Laurel has set for Literotica - what is anyone's problem?

I believe the problem some people may have with fiction like that, and I’m one of them, is simply this – even when the age of a child celebrity is increased to the legal age, readers will still tend to visualize them as a minor. It’s hard not to when we see them splashed all over the television, movies, magazines, etc looking like the little cuties they are.

Maybe I'm just a pedantic pedophiliaphobiac, if there was such a word.

Have a good day now,

Alex (fem)

 

[Mary Riley]

Question...

I had written a story about a month ago about an older woman exploring an attraction to her son's friend, who was a freshman in college. Well...in one line of this story I had obviously made a typo and listed the guy's age as being 17.

Now, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but because of that typo my story was rejected and I had to go back and correct it. To my surprise I was reading a story that was accepted here on Literotica just now and this caught my attention:

"She must have been around twelve or thirteen years old. He reached down and rubbed her tits through the doe skin dress she was wearing. She only sat there and looked at him. "

From the story "Alone" by The Energizer.

Later on in this story, unless I read it wrong, it depicts the guy having sex with this same character, unless I read that wrong. Now...that clearly stated the girl's age...according to the rules and my own experiance...I'm just wondering how it got accepted?

Is there anyone that could explain?

 

[Octavian]

Is there such a word?

Originally posted by the_bragis

Maybe I'm just a pedantic pedophiliaphobiac, if there was such a word.

Yes, there is such a word, Alex.
According to my dictionary, 'pedantic' means 'over concern with trivial detail'.

Octavian

 

[Master_Vassago]

Alrighty then, in defense of the poor schmuck who wrote the celebrity story. Ok ok I confess it was Me.

I didn't and don't fantasize about the two girls in question at their current age. Let Me go into a little more detail. I see them as they are now and in My mind's eye projected what I think or hope they will look like in a couple of years. I didn't see a thing wrong with that at all.

Here's another pov. What about a story that was done on Avril Lavigne, I may have screwed up the spelling of her name. She turned 18 recently and while I know that makes her legal, what if the story had been done the exact day she turned 18, for arguements sake here. She would have been 17 the day before, and even though a year older she would have appeared to still only be 17. Yes I am stretching things here but you see the point I hope.

There are always older women even women 25-30 who look like they still belong in the jailbate category. Hasn't anyone ever ventured into a bar that had a schoolgirl contest? You know the ones where 21 and up age girls dress in the little male fantasy role of plaid skirts and white nearly see through blouses. Same idea, they are looking younger to fit into a male fantasy role.

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Now back to the reason I posted, as I stated the story I wrote was done in the future with no idea how they may turn out to look exactly. I just for one wanted to write it and knew that it would be a good piece scoring wise. It was removed and I still got protests even though I resubmitted it changing the names of the characters.

We went through the same thing with all the Harry Potter fics, Just-Legal forgive Me here. The pieces were well written and I must say that even as the characters were aged in everyone's mind except for the writer and Svensk- the Swedish chick who writes so well.

I couldn't make the mental leap with them, I still see the onscreen actor's portraying the roll in My mind. Yet, these are fictional characters so shouldn't one be allowed to up their age?
The same idea would go for oh let's say just for the hell of it someone who wanted to do a spoof on Charlie Brown. You could age them and get Charlie and Lucy in some real explicit sex scenes. No they are fiction and older than I am by a great number of years yet they are stapled in everyone's mind as kid's characters.

Main point being, if in doubt pm Laurel, or ask some of your peers here on a board. Secondly, don't do underage material, even questionable. I could have resubmitted My story and changed the names to similiar characters. Such as Annie and Mary Jane. Everyone would have known who was intended and the story would have remained intact. But that felt like cheating and I knew someone would feel an "outrage" and attack.

Having been through this I received some great private feedback from supporters and it may suprise you not one of them was male. I wish now though I had held onto the story and saved it on disk to simply post when the two turned 18. Seeing as how I altered them though, I have already written the beginning to a torrid tale with them to post that exact day. JUst because I could.

To end this, I am not now nor have I ever been a pedophile, unless you count when I was 15 and having fantasies of girl's My age. I regret having roused a few vindictive people who have made it a point to ensure no other stories I write make it higher up in the story top lists. Oh well, I don't write for scores just for My own happiness and pleasure. Ok rarely I do a story for a friend or at the request of feedbacks but that's a whole other issue.

 

[Guest]

My votes are based strictly on my opinion of the quality of the work. To be honest, if I think a story deserves less than a 3, I don't vote on it, I'll just send some constructive feedback.

Why do I care how someone describes a character as long as s/he is at least 18? Maybe I'm just anal (speaking of which, I LOVED your how-to... gave it a 5 as a matter of fact. But I digress). I don't like to feel jerked around. If I'm reading about some hot encounter between two 18-year-olds, and the author then provides a physical description which better suits a 12-year-old, it's using a rule to get around the same rule. It's a way to put someone who should be off limits into a sexual context.

I hope that wasn't too jumbled. I'm incredibly tired.

Joolz

That does make sense to me. You don't want to start reading something and then have the story category change in the middle because of the character descriptions.

I have a feeling, though, people are always going to disagree about this topic.

(and thank you for your nice comments about one of my stories - and the vote, too - lol!)

 

[powderpinkangel]

My two pence worth...

Hello all,

I hope you don't mind me butting into your conversation. I know that I haven't published anything yet but I have been visiting this site for 2 years now and have often thought the same thing about stories written about "18-year-olds".

I can see the point most of you have made that these stories being written about characters who are obviously much younger than 18. The author assumes that by changing the age and mentioning in passing that it was their 18th birthday then going on to physically describe a character that is younger than 18, that they are doing what is required to get their story accepted.

And while most of us know that this is the case (as do the powers that be @ Lit) it is impossible to prove because as sweetnpetite points out: some women do look younger than they actually are. Like my best friend for example who has just turned 26 and honestly looks like a 12-year-old. Likewise, there are 15 and 16 year olds who look a lot older, I know I was drinking and going to clubs at 15 because I easily passed for 18.

Besides, another issue to consider here (and I don't think anyone has mentioned, but excuse me if I am wrong) is that here in the UK, the age of consent is 16. So if Lit were a British site then these stories wouldn't be as controversial. A British author might have had sex with a 16-year-old, written a story about it and while he was doing nothing illegal here in the UK, it would not be submitted on Lit.

The point I'm trying to make is that there will always be people who fantasise about having sex with young girls (or boys) and whether we agree with it or not, the moral issues between 16 and 18-year-olds are blurred and I don't necessarily believe that these authors are writing about children.

It is v.difficult for Lit to police especially when a story explicitly states that a character is 18 even though we think they may not be. And whether we think that Lit is the place for these stories isn't really for us to decide. After all, we may be loyal visitors and contributors to this site but we aren't the ones running it and are not ultimately responsible if a questionable story gets published and Lit gets into trouble.

I suspect this debate will rage on and on and to be honest, I don't think that there will be any resolution. After all, the arguments that we make about stories that concern sex with minors can also be made about those stories that include incest or non-consensual sex, which I personally find more offence.

And that's the point here. What's fundamental to Lit and other sites like it, is that it's all about personal choice. I will not enjoy every story that I read and there are categories on this site that I never look at it because they do nothing for me. And without trying to sound too pretentious, "To thine ownself me true" Write the stories that you enjoy, read the stories that interest you and vote accordingly.

Thanks for reading.

Much love,
powderpinkangel

 

[sweetnpetite]

It just dawned on me. When a writer says "she was 18, but she looked 15" it sounds like she's really 15, but lit won't let me say so. (because said writer has used the minimum allowable age) but if a writer sais "he was 23, but looked 15" I'm more likely to believe that the character just looks young. But that's just me. What does the gallery think?

 

[sweetnpetite]

To end this, I am not now nor have I ever been a pedophile, unless you count when I was 15 and having fantasies of girl's My age.

You sick perv!!! there is NOTHING sexy about a 15 year old girl! I don't care what your excuse is!!!! Go now and gouge your eyes out- its better to loose an eye, then to loose your soul in the firey pits of hell.

he-he- just kidding and being evil.


But it wouldn't suprise me if there where people who thought like that

 

[CrownJoolz]

Re: My two pence worth...

Hello all,

I hope you don't mind me butting into your conversation. I know that I haven't published anything yet but I have been visiting this site for 2 years now and have often thought the same thing about stories written about "18-year-olds".


Besides, another issue to consider here (and I don't think anyone has mentioned, but excuse me if I am wrong) is that here in the UK, the age of consent is 16. So if Lit were a British site then these stories wouldn't be as controversial. A British author might have had sex with a 16-year-old, written a story about it and while he was doing nothing illegal here in the UK, it would not be submitted on Lit.


Thanks for reading.

Much love,
powderpinkangel

First of all, you're not butting in. That's what these forums are for.

Secondly, I just wanted to mention that here in the U.S., there is no national age of consent. It varies depending on which state you're in. I believe the range is between 14 and 17. In my home state it was 16 for boys and 17 for girls until the mid-1980's when it was changed to 16 for both.

18 is the nationwide age of majority, or legal adulthood. It is the age at which you can get married without the need for parental permission, enter into legal contracts, inherit, serve in the military, be called for jury duty, and pose nude. Can't buy a beer 'til you're 21, but that's another story entirely.

I think that the distinction lies in the fact that a 16-year-old is not a legal adult, and in order to be portrayed in a sexual content, or an "adult situation" one must be a legal adult.

Joolz

 

[CrownJoolz]

It just dawned on me. When a writer says "she was 18, but she looked 15" it sounds like she's really 15, but lit won't let me say so. (because said writer has used the minimum allowable age) but if a writer sais "he was 23, but looked 15" I'm more likely to believe that the character just looks young. But that's just me. What does the gallery think?

I agree. It's a great example.

Joolz

love that dancing banana!

 

[sweetnpetite]

I would like to point out something that I don't think many people realise. While the legal age of consent may be 18 or 16 or whatever, that law does NOT cover fiction, nor does it cover computer generated images or cartoons. (wich is why those dirty simpsons cartoons are not illegal) It is not illegal to write about minors in sexual situations, it is simply against the rules of this site to post such stories here. which is just as well. but the reason for the rule is personal preferance, not US law. I think it shows real character of laurel to draw the line NOT because of a law, but just becuase she doens't want that sort of thing on her site.

 

[Haroldx]

Okay, I know who Holden Caulfield is, but don't know who the Olsen twins are. Having gotten this far, I now know that they're twins, female, and currently 16.

To Master V.--
So wait two years, then post the story. Problem solved. It's not like you're doing Harry Potter--he's not ever going to be 18.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Okay, I know who Holden Caulfield is, but don't know who the Olsen twins are. Having gotten this far, I now know that they're twins, female, and currently 16.

To Master V.--
So wait two years, then post the story. Problem solved. It's not like you're doing Harry Potter--he's not ever going to be 18.

Actually they are 17. And Harry Potter is actually going to be 18 when the books are done. And of course the actor who played him (Danniel Radcliffe) will turn 18 eventually as well.

Master V. is not sweating it, he's already solved his problem. Basicly here, we are discussing the underage rule, how it should be applied and how people try to get around it.

By the way (everyone here) I read a story posted on this site with an "E" that involved a girl having sex and getting pregnant at 17, and then it hinted at a sexual relationship with her son all the way through untill he turned 18 when it was consumated. Its a lovely story, but I wonder how it got exepted, let alone an editor's pic. Have the rules been changed? This is obviously not something that "slipped by"

I wonder what blessedbe (and Master V) thinks of this? I will say that the sex is not explicit with the 17 year old- but it is more than just illuded too. I thought the rule was "no minors in sexual situations" period. the end. Opinions?

 

[Master_Vassago]

Well in all fairness let Me know what story it is and I'll read it and get a different perspective. If I find the same thing you did sweet then I'll PM Laurel and let her know.

The correct thing is to not even put sex and a 17 or younger person even in the story. Now as for My whole outlook, I have no problem aging someone but blatant disregard for the rules as such as you described is not tolerable. Laurel gets so many submissions though, (I know I've sent her almost ten in two days) that she couldn't possibly read every single one and probably cursory glances to see that there are no huge mistakes. It is possible she overlooked some of the wording. But to give it an E makes Me think she read it through and didn't find a problem but we will get to the bottom of this.

As for My story, ok this is the final time I speak of it. I think part of the problem was that it was too well received and had too high voting for some people. When they saw the title they immediately thought of the girls at their current age and couldn't get past that. Now the point I want to make is did that person actually go in and read the story for content or just get all pissed off and go off on a tangent? Either way this is beating a dead horse. The stories were pulled edited to fit two other twin celebs and then reposted in their entirety. Didn't do as well the second time around and I can't say as I blame anyone for that but Myself. I should have held onto the stories as they were and resubmitted them at the appropriate time. But never fear I already have completed two chapters of a new Olsen twins story for the day they turn eighteen.

The main point of conflict was their true age. Ok fine by Me it's Laurel's site and she runs it as she sees fit and I stand by her decision. I learned a long time ago you don't bite the hand that feeds you. If I were to go off and pull all the stories I could I would still have one on Lit for two years because it won an end of the year contest. So I would still have a link here and profile with no work. What's the fun in that? I decided to swallow My pride and act like an adult and deal with it the best way I could. I still stand by the way the whole ordeal worked out.

The thing is I love to write and it was one drawback to an otherwise very well written story in my opinion. But hey, it's water under the bridge now. I don't care what others thought about it. I appreciated the support don't get Me wrong and even those who made well thought out arguements and opposition.
But in the long run it was MY story that got pulled and let Me ask this, where in the long run did all the protesting get Blessed Be?

As for the whole age thing as long as the person is legal it's cool with Me. And, Laurel decides what posts here and what doesn't but every now and then when she slips she appreciates polite notices in email or pm of what she missed in the way of underage accidents. Or so I would think.

While I felt the HP stories were wrong for the same reason, I posted a formal apology,(maybe it was private) to the author of those stories. She thought along the same lines I did that they could be aged and actually the body of work she did was very well written and for the whole had less to do with Harry then it did other characters.

I have no desire to read all the books and find just who and what all that was about I just know I had seen the movie at the time and thought EWWW SICK.

But after conversing with her I found out a little about her and saw that I had acted unjustly when I kind of attacked her story. THat was Me acting childish and lashing out. I'm not too proud to admit that.

I think all of this is summed up easily though. Don't write stories about underage characters from a book or movie. Don't age celebrities to fit into your own story and mind. And lastly don't put any underage character's in a story unless they are cleary no where near the sexual content. I would dare say that these rules should be bound in bold red letters on the author submission page so these mishaps don't happen.

Besides if you have an underage character say a 17 year old in your story how hard is it to go back and change that age even on the submission page to say 18 or 19. And if the only thing you have going for your story is that you have a hot young 17 hormonally out of control character then you need to go back and do some serious rewriting.

Leaping of My soapbox to return you to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[CrownJoolz]

well said

I think all of this is summed up easily though. Don't write stories about underage characters from a book or movie. Don't age celebrities to fit into your own story and mind. And lastly don't put any underage character's in a story unless they are cleary no where near the sexual content. I would dare say that these rules should be bound in bold red letters on the author submission page so these mishaps don't happen.

Besides if you have an underage character say a 17 year old in your story how hard is it to go back and change that age even on the submission page to say 18 or 19. And if the only thing you have going for your story is that you have a hot young 17 hormonally out of control character then you need to go back and do some serious rewriting.

Leaping of My soapbox to return you to your regularly scheduled program.

WEll, that about says it all.

Joolz

 

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