Re: LIT Newsletter and Supreme Court

[XXplorher]

Re: LIT Newsletter and Supreme Court

Ashcroft needs to go. I hate this guy.

I remember watching him speaking at ‘ground zero’ right after 9/11 thinking ‘THAT dude looks SERIOUSLY shifty. I can’t believe a fucking word tumbling from his mouth! He looks like he wants to go back to the goblin cave and cook up some more grool. He appears completely paranoid; uncertain of his words… he basically looks like a guilty motherfucker. Why is he feeling guilty?!

This at a time when virtually ANYONE speaking on TV looked like a total hero. That REALLY bothered me.

Now – I could be wrong, but isn’t this the guy that lost an election to a dead man? The one guy selected for Bush’s cabinet that no one liked? (Besides the woman who, heaven forbid, had an illegal alien maid. That just doesn’t happen in this country, right?). Why is he there?! I don’t get it.

He’s now making ALL SORTS OF America altering law decisions, and practice. AND NO ONE IS BEING ASKED IF IT’S OK!! HOW THE FUCK ARE WE LETTING THAT HAPPEN?! WAKE UP PEOPLE!! This guy is in a supreme position of power and all I see is Elsworth Toohey (only, he isn’t near as capable a speaker as Toohey). I mean, I can hear the spikes erupting from the earth surrounding us in a steel cage! We are in a very vulnerable, knee-jerk situation because of 9/11 and this dude is doing ALL the wrong maneuvers. It’s terrifying.

Manu, I wasn’t aware of this pornography law. Is there ANYTHING this guy does that isn’t American? This guy is scaring the shit out of me. Hell, look at the heading: ‘Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition’. Doesn’t the very sound of that scare the shit out of you? No? How bout this?: ‘Aschroft v. ACLU’
JESUS CHRIST!! (oops, pretty soon – I won’t be able to say that in vain).

“The justice department's position on this issue is that they have no problem requiring movies to be censored by the government, if those movies are, in the eyes of the government, immoral.”

Where’s Bradbury? We need to start burning books. Because they make a real nice fire and we want to feel like we’re in Siberia! That’s next, people. Don’t you mistake it. You CANNOT allow censorship of ANY form in this country. If that flies – it’s over. It will snowball like the Grinch racing for Whoville. This is bad, bad, bad.
How can anyone look at that law proposal and not shiver?

Something needs to be done.
I want him removed. Let’s start a revolt!!


Here are some links (provided by Manu) for writing to the appropriate people in the U.S. government:
House:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
Senate:
http://www.senate.gov/senators/senator_by_state.cfm


Get on it, people. Earn your America!
brrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[SINthysist]

In the election you refer to...

Ashcroft acted very graciously. He virtually ceased to campaign partly because Carnahan's widow put him an a very bad spot. What was he going to do, go after a recently widowed woman? How bad could that have looked to continue to go after her in the manner that her late husband had been going with him. He was a class act and he handled the situation with dignity. He conceded almost immediatley and then did not call back and say, I'm taking it all back and I'm going to go see if the Missouri Supreme Court will give me the election back.

As for the rest of you argument, it smacks of character assasination. Again, as I have pointed out so many times, stock in trade for Liberals.

Now, he is not my favorite guy as far as some of his policies and beliefs, but he is sincere, tells you what he things, and what he is going to do. In the past we've had a bit to much of insincerity, being told what we want to hear, and then seeing something else done.

All of his decisions so far have been in the light of law and precedent, simply because we are at war. FDR did far more and in fact set most of the precedents that the government is acting upon from my understanding.

Do I like it? No, not really, but, again, we are at war. People have declared war on us and attacked us. We must stop quivering, and be decisive. Lack of descisive action and the splitting of legal hairs are what lead us to this coupled with an intelligence community hampered by politicaly correct values.

 

[Guest]

Re: In the election you refer to...

Ashcroft acted very graciously. He virtually ceased to campaign partly because Carnahan's widow put him an a very bad spot. What was he going to do, go after a recently widowed woman? How bad could that have looked to continue to go after her in the manner that her late husband had been going with him. He was a class act and he handled the situation with dignity. He conceded almost immediatley and then did not call back and say, I'm taking it all back and I'm going to go see if the Missouri Supreme Court will give me the election back.

As for the rest of you argument, it smacks of character assasination. Again, as I have pointed out so many times, stock in trade for Liberals.

Now, he is not my favorite guy as far as some of his policies and beliefs, but he is sincere, tells you what he things, and what he is going to do. In the past we've had a bit to much of insincerity, being told what we want to hear, and then seeing something else done.

All of his decisions so far have been in the light of law and precedent, simply because we are at war. FDR did far more and in fact set most of the precedents that the government is acting upon from my understanding.

Do I like it? No, not really, but, again, we are at war. People have declared war on us and attacked us. We must stop quivering, and be decisive. Lack of descisive action and the splitting of legal hairs are what lead us to this coupled with an intelligence community hampered by politicaly correct values.

Your post is only lies. Ashcroft lied numberous times at his confirmation hearings and he has been caught lying many more times along his political carreer. Mel Carnahan died and his wife tried to honor the beliefs of her dead husband and you call that "putting ashcroft in a very bad spot". Her husband died. Such a compasionate conservative. Ashcroft started campaigning again after a few days, the days in which no one was campaigning because the leading candidate was dead. Ashcroft was so well loved that he lost election to a dead person. He could have asked for recount but he lost the election and that won't change for a recount. You are a very gullible person and you do not live in MO if you belive what you have posted. Anyone who lived in MO knows the truth about Ashcroft and you have only believed the lies you are told.

 

[SINthysist]

Care to post a handle?
Even Yayati owns up to his diatribes...

 

[oakleyx4]

ashcroft

hes doing a great job. you liberals all you do is try to scare people.hes not taking away any rights or freedoms. your just readind the liberal hand book call republicas racist, scare the old people,tell families the republicans are taken money from schools.liberal bull shit. they have to say that because they have nothing to run on. bush and co. are doing a good job and the people and country are behind them and the liberal cant stand that.

 

[Dillinger]

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56620

 

[Guest]

Re: In the election you refer to...

Ashcroft acted very graciously. He virtually ceased to campaign partly because Carnahan's widow put him an a very bad spot. What was he going to do, go after a recently widowed woman?

What difference does that make? He was the alternative to a dead man. And he LOST!! What does that say about the man? That’s like having a vice president ousted after the president dies. He lost to a DEAD man! That’s the most amazing political event I’ve ever seen! It MUST mean – he’s inept.
And after seeing him in office – HE IS!

As for the rest of you argument, it smacks of character assasination. Again, as I have pointed out so many times, stock in trade for Liberals.

‘Smacks of character assassination’. Nice sound bite. What does that mean exactly? I think I clearly assassinated the MAN and his positions! That includes his ‘character’ as well.
Guess what – I’m a Republican. However, I don’t vote according to party. I vote according to capability.

he is sincere, tells you what he things, and what he is going to do. In the past we've had a bit to much of insincerity, being told what we want to hear, and then seeing something else done.

I am AB-SO-LUTELY disagreeing with what you said there, vehemently, 100%. He is exactly the opposite of what you said there. Amazing……..

His decisions are faulty. They are precisely the WRONG thing to do in this situation. He is handing the terrorists a handshake for a job well done. How can you not see that?! That baffles me.

Stop quivering? Uh – THAT’ S EXACTLY WHAT HE’S DOING!! I’m not fucking quivering, pal. I want to walk this country just as I did before. FREE!! And I’m not going to let some ignorant politician to ruin that for me. You want to wear blinders because you support all Republicans no matter their faculty – that’s YOUR problem. I won’t let you make it mine. Ridiculous.

Lack of descisive action and the splitting of legal hairs are what lead us to this coupled with an intelligence community hampered by politicaly correct values.

Wrong. That’s what makes this country a DEMOCRACY. It’s a necessity in the voting process. It’s WHAT votes ARE. Is it messy becuase of that? Yes. However - it keeps us from making hasty decisions based on current events. (And I’ll never be accused of being politically correct. Trust me on that).

 

[XXplorher]

Damnitt!

Those are my words above. Forgot to fill in my user name (you got me so baffled)

 

[XXplorher]

Bump

Yeah, I know, it's disgusting to bump your own thread.

Only here - it's the importance of the message - not the poster.



DO something.

 

[SINthysist]

Indeed, you feel prophetic, but no one answers your words. Perhaps smarter too? That's the way I was in the months leading up to the election when I kept pointing out that faltering world economies couple with Liberal Democrat fiscal policies was pulling us into recession.

He did not run against a dead man, the Democratic govenor made it quite clear that the Mrs. would get the seat if the Mr. won. Where Ashcroft was shackled was, one, the sympathy vote but two, it had been a real mudslinging campaign up to the plane crash and she continued to sling accusations and mud, which, by the was, because of the aforesaid circumstances, he could not do against a bereaved widow lest he turn a close race into a landslide.

Now since I have always lived one way or another in a county on the state line and since most of our televsion comes from KC or Joplin, I am quite aware of what goes on in Missouri politically.

And no, I will not accuse you of being politically correct.

 

[Calamity Jane]

Re: In the election you refer to...

Ashcroft acted very graciously. He virtually ceased to campaign partly because Carnahan's widow put him an a very bad spot. What was he going to do, go after a recently widowed woman? How bad could that have looked to continue to go after her in the manner that her late husband had been going with him. He was a class act and he handled the situation with dignity. He conceded almost immediatley and then did not call back and say, I'm taking it all back and I'm going to go see if the Missouri Supreme Court will give me the election back.


OMG. There must be a media wall between missouri and kansas. Ashcroft most certainly did NOT stop campaining. he simply went low key. he knew it would look bad to attack a widow, so he tried to get the election postponed. failing that, he tried to get the law that said the lt gov shall appoint a replacement declared unconstitutional... gave up, my ass.


All of his decisions so far have been in the light of law and precedent, simply because we are at war. FDR did far more and in fact set most of the precedents that the government is acting upon from my understanding.

in the light of law? how so? i thought there was some crazy thing in this country that guaranteed our rights. how is it 'in the light of law' to take those rights away?

Do I like it? No, not really, but, again, we are at war. People have declared war on us and attacked us. We must stop quivering, and be decisive. Lack of descisive action and the splitting of legal hairs are what lead us to this coupled with an intelligence community hampered by politicaly correct values.

lack of an ability to complain about government, and to get information where ever you seek it is what led to regimes like the taliban.

 

[SINthysist]

That's right he went low-key and stopped slinging mud. Since when is delaying an election a bad thing under the circumstances? As it was, he kinda got sandbagged by circumstances and explored every available remedy. Even Algore acted in much the same manner. Like I said, I get my news from Kansas City and Joplin. I kin throw a rock and hit Missouri from where I live .

As for the law and current circumstances, we are at war. FDR rounded up ALL the Japanese and sent them off to camps. Ashcroft and the current administration just rounded up the usual suspects, to paraphrase an old movie. Due process is not afforded to soldiers at war which these people consider themselves. Not just a war, but a Holy war against big and little Satan. Technically, since they are not in uniform, they are spies and the customary treatment for spies is a quick military trial and summary execution.

Did you note today that Canada, let it's detainees go due to crowded circumstances. Also I saw one Liberal argueing that we need to let all our detainees go and we would solve the riddle of Al Queada much more quickly.

No, I think most of the critisisms about Ashcroft and these other issues have more to do with the upcoming elections than anything. Perhaps we would all feel a little bit better, a little bit safer if Janet Reno were still in charge?

 

[Guest]

faltering world economies couple with Liberal Democrat fiscal policies was pulling us into recession.

Here we go again…….
“Print it!”


Pagan – nice ass!! With WINGS even!

As for the law and current circumstances, we are at war. FDR rounded up ALL the Japanese and sent them off to camps

And THAT was a BAD idea. You see that right? Are we to learn from our mistakes?

I’ll take the Reno back. (What is that anyway?)

 

[Spinaroonie]

That's right he went low-key and stopped slinging mud. Since when is delaying an election a bad thing under the circumstances? As it was, he kinda got sandbagged by circumstances and explored every available remedy. Even Algore acted in much the same manner. Like I said, I get my news from Kansas City and Joplin. I kin throw a rock and hit Missouri from where I live .

Actually, the Florida recounts were automatic due to margin. Al Gore didn't call for a single one... That fact has been SERIOUSLY skewed.

As for the law and current circumstances, we are at war. FDR rounded up ALL the Japanese and sent them off to camps. Ashcroft and the current administration just rounded up the usual suspects, to paraphrase an old movie. Due process is not afforded to soldiers at war which these people consider themselves. Not just a war, but a Holy war against big and little Satan. Technically, since they are not in uniform, they are spies and the customary treatment for spies is a quick military trial and summary execution.

Yeah, but not all of these people are 'soldiers'. Many of these people are here to live their lives. Not everyone is a spy. Paranoia gets to ya, huh?

No, I think most of the critisisms about Ashcroft and these other issues have more to do with the upcoming elections than anything. Perhaps we would all feel a little bit better, a little bit safer if Janet Reno were still in charge?

Reno never said that I couldn't go to Lit....

 

[SINthysist]

Nor has anyone else.
No one has even suggested it.

Now, Joe Leiberman has set his sights on Hollywood.