racism / raceplay

[GrushaVashnadze]

As a person of colour, I am fascinated by the role of race/racism in certain brands of porn/smut, and particularly the raceplay fetish (which many people characterise as a niche subset of BDSM). Unsurprisingly, such matters can attract a great deal of opprobrium from some quarters, and on A Certain Story Site I have written for the merest hint of racist language is strictly banned (unless it is racist language directed at white people, in which case it seems to get through). I am wondering how Literotica deals with such matters? If I were to post a story featuring raceplay (including, of course, some highly offensive racist language), would it find a niche here - or merely attract a lot of hate? Or perhaps both?

 

[Bamagan]

I think, in general, you can get away with a lot of charged language including raceplay, at least in certain categories, insofar as the site will allow it, and there are some readers who want it. I suppose there's a chance of the topic overlapping too much with politics, which might get it rejected from publication for that reason. But yes, raceplay is an instant turn-off for a segment of the voting population, who may respond quite negatively to the story.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm not aware that the site will ban a story based on its use of racist language. I don't think so; it's not in the content guidelines.

You may get some hate, but you probably will find readers who like the story, too.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I have a novella here full of urban language. It does not score well and I have a couple of comments telling me that the language was a turn off.

 

[OffNSFW]

I think, content-wise, the only hard, fast rule around here is no sex scenes with characters who are under 18. Other than that, I'd be hard-pressed to think of anything that's strictly off-limits. It's more permissive than a lot of porn outlets in that way.

(Obviously, you're not allowed to use Lit stories to promote businesses, political candidates, stuff like that. But that's not quite the same thing.)

 

[joy_of_cooking]

Lit has published some really explicit race play. E.g., https://www.literotica.com/s/social-studies You can search for more.

Do everyone a favor and include an author's note like the one in the example I linked. Looking at the first page of search results, that seems to be a pretty consistent practice with race play stories.

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

As a person of colour, I am fascinated by the role of race/racism in certain brands of porn/smut, and particularly the raceplay fetish (which many people characterise as a niche subset of BDSM). Unsurprisingly, such matters can attract a great deal of opprobrium from some quarters, and on A Certain Story Site I have written for the merest hint of racist language is strictly banned (unless it is racist language directed at white people, in which case it seems to get through). I am wondering how Literotica deals with such matters? If I were to post a story featuring raceplay (including, of course, some highly offensive racist language), would it find a niche here - or merely attract a lot of hate? Or perhaps both?

A few years ago, I published a short series called "Yellow Fever". It's an NC/R story, and the opening scene makes clear what the White rapist thinks of the Asian (Chinese-American) FMC. Based on that lone datapoint (technically three, if you count the parts individually), I'd say raceplay is OK on Literotica.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I personally do not like the racist slant in any story and usually stay away from reading those stories. Many like to throw in the wife being enamored by the BBC (big black cock).

 

[NightPorter]

I think, content-wise, the only hard, fast rule around here is no sex scenes with characters who are under 18. Other than that, I'd be hard-pressed to think of anything that's strictly off-limits. It's more permissive than a lot of porn outlets in that way.

(Obviously, you're not allowed to use Lit stories to promote businesses, political candidates, stuff like that. But that's not quite the same thing.)

Sex resulting in death seems to be another. Outside of some very specific exceptions in erotic horror for succubus stories and the like, its a big no no.

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

Sex resulting in death seems to be another. Outside of some very specific exceptions in erotic horror for succubus stories and the like, its a big no no.

Sex resulting in death or injury. The victims in NC/R stories have to emerge from the experience physically unscathed.

 

[Deleted member 6789170]

As a black woman, I love race play (i.e. master/slave, dom/sub, daddy/stepdaughter).
Havent bothered writing a story.
I have plenty of men who enjoy it as well and we mutually masturbate through messages

 

[John_Vandermeer]

Raceplay is definitely ok to be published on Lit. But if you allude to a potential raceplay situation somewhere like the subtitle, it will reduce your readership, while likely granting you high scores from raceplay starved readers that click through. I have written relatively mild raceplay scenes a couple of times and the comments I have received vary from “more please!” (In a AMWF femdom situation) to “wow, that was daring, but ok!” (In a BMWF femdom situation).

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

Raceplay is definitely ok to be published on Lit. But if you allude to a potential raceplay situation somewhere like the subtitle, it will reduce your readership, while likely granting you high scores from raceplay starved readers that click through. I have written relatively mild raceplay scenes a couple of times and the comments I have received vary from “more please!” (In a AMWF femdom situation) to “wow, that was daring, but ok!” (In a BMWF femdom situation).

Agreed. I once got a private message from an Asian reader who really wanted more stories involving women humiliating and degrading Asian men. That's just one person, obviously, but where there's a niche, there's an audience.

 

[Naughtylit81]

I started publishing on lit with a very explicit raceplay series of a black woman introducing a white man to raceplay and it was well recieved. The audience is definitely niche and I made sure to warn readers at the top of ever chapter with an author's note and in the tags.

Still get the occassional shocked and angry reader but not much you can do if someone ignores a warning along the lines of "This text contains the N-word, don't read it if that offends you."

 

[TheGreatOz]

I think it depends on who reviews your story. I've had stories rejected here for language that is much milder than I've read in other published stories, prompting much inner eye rolling on my part.

I like raceplay. Most of my stories touch upon it directly or indirectly. I'd like to overtly write more.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

Sex resulting in death seems to be another. Outside of some very specific exceptions in erotic horror for succubus stories and the like, its a big no no.

Because then it's snuff. Which is, at least in video format, more illegal than most weird porn shit. The under 18 shit Lit hates, is more legal.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

I'm not too interested in raceplay and such. In the grand sexual schemes, there's little I don't partake in, but that kinda shit is one of the reasons I stopped fucking with this one dude. I don't mind the stereotype ordeal, but that takes it a bit too far.

That said... I'm reminded of this Antebellum south slave/masters daughter thing I was working on. Also an idea of an immortal who finds thrill in being "killed" during sex. Dunno if I'll write that one, but the former? If I can get around to it, before you do yours, if it doesn't fly here, I know one site, possibly two it might. If the white folks is too liberal, then it'll be an excuse to start my own site for things nobody will take.

 

[Daddydomtex48]

As a black woman, I love race play (i.e. master/slave, dom/sub, daddy/stepdaughter).
Havent bothered writing a story.
I have plenty of men who enjoy it as well and we mutually masturbate through messages

It can be fun

 

[Daddydomtex48]

As a black woman, I love race play (i.e. master/slave, dom/sub, daddy/stepdaughter).
Havent bothered writing a story.
I have plenty of men who enjoy it as well and we mutually masturbate through messages

It's Been a little while but I'd love to find someone who enjoys it again

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

As a person of colour, I am fascinated by the role of race/racism in certain brands of porn/smut, and particularly the raceplay fetish (which many people characterise as a niche subset of BDSM). Unsurprisingly, such matters can attract a great deal of opprobrium from some quarters, and on A Certain Story Site I have written for the merest hint of racist language is strictly banned (unless it is racist language directed at white people, in which case it seems to get through). I am wondering how Literotica deals with such matters? If I were to post a story featuring raceplay (including, of course, some highly offensive racist language), would it find a niche here - or merely attract a lot of hate? Or perhaps both?

First of all, how much do I love that I just learned the term 'opprobrium' from your post? SO MUCH.

Personally, I find the whole 'interracial' section of erotica & porn a bit cringe, it definitely trades on some historical stuff that I personally find hard to consciously separate when I read/view it. For the record I'm a Maori woman. BUT - I'm fully happy for anyone to explore their own kinks. If you're a BIPOC (or anyone else, I guess) who finds this tickles your fancy - happy for you.

If you're curious, you might want to explore the feelings those kinks draw on, or why you find certain scenarios attractive. It might be the power-dynamics, it might be some stereotyping, there might be someone in your life you have a crush on, who knows? A few years ago I explored some of my own kinks with a therapist & it helped me unpack & work through my conflicted feelings about desires. It actually helped me enjoy things more. It's good for kinks to evolve, as our personalities & experience do. Again - if you find yourself getting off on 'interracial' stuff - high fives on the sexual arousal!

For anyone else who might wonder about some of the historical/social context of race & porn, there are a number of really, really fascinating studies on the subject, numerous articles & some incredibly easy to watch YouTube videos & lectures on the subject, even a Wikipedia page (the resources links are frequently more fascinating that the summary).

For beginners I really like this short article by Dr. Melissa Brown if anyone wants a suggestion of a jumping-off point: https://blackfeminisms.com/race-porn/. Again: if you're not interested, don't read it, & if it works for you, stay kinky. <3

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

As a person of colour, I am fascinated by the role of race/racism in certain brands of porn/smut, and particularly the raceplay fetish (which many people characterise as a niche subset of BDSM). Unsurprisingly, such matters can attract a great deal of opprobrium from some quarters, and on A Certain Story Site I have written for the merest hint of racist language is strictly banned (unless it is racist language directed at white people, in which case it seems to get through). I am wondering how Literotica deals with such matters? If I were to post a story featuring raceplay (including, of course, some highly offensive racist language), would it find a niche here - or merely attract a lot of hate? Or perhaps both?

To address your question about why only 'racist language directed at white people' may get through on other sites, I have no idea what sites you're referring to, or what their T&Cs are - but it COULD be because in some circles there's a distinction made between racism on the micro vs the macro. Race talk about Caucasian people doesn't tap into an 'ism'. There's simply no SYSTEM set up anywhere in the world where white people are disadvantaged by their whiteness, it may happen in micro-situations, where a white person feels embarrassed or judged, but they're not (for example) less likely to be approved for a bank loan based on widespread assumptions based on the colour of their skin.

So referring to a white person as a honky or paleface or whatever isn't grounded in a history of discrimination. Whereas race talk about BIPOC is frequently (almost entirely) grounded in the historic & social systematic oppression of certain peoples (even when it's been 'reclaimed' by us, much like how the term 'queer' is now widely used by the LGBT+ community, as a reaction to it being used for generations to harm their community). Depending on which country that site is based in, it may also find itself at risk of certain legal scrutiny if it's found to be 'promoting' discriminatory beliefs/language about BIPOC, who in many countries are still protected as legal minorities (much like discrimination laws in the US were intended to protect vulnerable classes/communities, not every single community).

It's complicated. But hopefully, this helps you to understand why you may find it harder on some sites to include certain words/storylines. It appears there aren't any such restrictions on this site, so the people who enjoy that kind of thing will reap the rewards of your writing, unhindered.

 

[MediocreAuthor]

I posted a story in which a villain uses the N-word to describe a woman. In a previous scene, he had been remarking on how attractive she was, but it is clear within the narrative that he is jealous and lashing out an anger at something he cannot have.

The only person who gave me any issue about it was a single comment from a beta-reader. No one else even seemed to notice.

That said, the use of the word is not prevalent, and the character who says it is beyond evil, so you're supposed to hate him.
Use of that word isn't even close to the worst thing he does.

But neither Literotica nor my readers seemed to take issue with it.

 

[MrHereWriting]

would it find a niche here - or merely attract a lot of hate? Or perhaps both?

There's a large percentage of people who just can't wait to be offended. If your story isn't for them, don't worry about them or their comments.

 

[GrushaVashnadze]

Thank you to all for your advice.

Here's a supplementary question: Would it be OK for me to use explicitly racist vocabulary in the title? The best title I can think of for the story, for plot and character reasons, as well as ironic commentary on the p0l1t1c@l implications of raceplay, includes the N-word. On the negative side, would it attract too much disapproval from the sort of people who wouldn't want to read the story anyway? Or, on the positive side, would it scare them off reading it so that they wouldn't need to be offended any further?

For comparison, I wrote a story called A Worthless Filthy Fucking Smoking Trash Cunt Whore. The title is ironic, and also plot- and character-driven. Some people have said it is too explicit. I haven't changed it, though, as it encapsulates important aspects of the protagonists' relationship, and the heroine's self-image (though I had to shorten it to fit into the Literotica submission form)...

Thoughts?

 

[SimonDoom]

Thank you to all for your advice.

Here's a supplementary question: Would it be OK for me to use explicitly racist vocabulary in the title? The best title I can think of for the story, for plot and character reasons, as well as ironic commentary on the p0l1t1c@l implications of raceplay, includes the N-word. On the negative side, would it attract too much disapproval from the sort of people who wouldn't want to read the story anyway? Or, on the positive side, would it scare them off reading it so that they wouldn't need to be offended any further?

For comparison, I wrote a story called A Worthless Filthy Fucking Smoking Trash Cunt Whore. The title is ironic, and also plot- and character-driven. Some people have said it is too explicit. I haven't changed it, though, as it encapsulates important aspects of the protagonists' relationship, and the heroine's self-image (though I had to shorten it to fit into the Literotica submission form)...

Thoughts?

I don't the answer for sure but I just did a search and there are NO stories at Literotica with the N-word in the title, so that may be a clue as to whether it's permitted. It's frequently used in text, and also in tags, but not in titles.