Question: Why is the vagina treated as the Holy Grail?

[RedneckDevil]

I've had many women over the years. Many have teased me about 'getting lucky tonight', including my wife.
It's always fascinated me that women seem to place more significance over their vagina than men place over sharing their penisis with the opposite sex.
It's difficult to place a pussy on a perestal. Please explain the psychological importance of one over the other; because without both, there's not a whole lot that can be done.

 

[emap]

Oh fine ask a toughy in the wrong section, this would be better in the How To section.

Anyway, most women myself included like to say get lucky to their guy or the one nighter they are about to go home with because men say it. I am very not kidding, can't tell you how many times I have had a guy come up and ask if I want to get lucky, or if he can get lucky with me.

I don't know why guys would say that to a woman in a bar, but they would and did often.

Also something to ponder, a pussy is held in high esteem by guys because it is the one place they all want to get into, even gay men they just have a different looking pussy to get into. I have never had a guy come up and ask if he can fuck my ass, every single guy who has wanted to fuck me, has wanted my pussy. Which for me is a good thing but personal issue.

And of course there is a question, when you think about sex, what is the place you most often think of sinking your cock into?

Or how about, when you see a hot woman that you want to fuck, what do you think of first in fucking her?

99.9% of guys will say her pussy, the rest are lying.

 

[KinkyRascal]

A big "duh?"

Forgive me but this seems like a big "duh."

A woman's vagina is the "Holy Grail," as you say, for logical (and seemingly quite obvious) reasons. Your use of this religious icon reference should be a clue.

With much of Judeo-Christian history and tradition riding on the idea of an "Immaculate conception" there's a boatload of mystic wrapped up in both good and bad connotations of access to a woman's vagina for purposes of bearing life (e.g. from "Immaculate conception" to "slut and whore" all within a few pages of the Bible if you think about it!)

Since for many generations, until the advent of artificial insemination, it was the only means by which birth was created and accomplished it seems only logical that the path by which it is done would be the "Holy Grail." Then, too, there's that overriding biology and primative instinct thing. Duh?

K

 

[3113]

It's always fascinated me that women seem to place more significance over their vagina than men place over sharing their penisis with the opposite sex.

Sorry, Dude, but you can't lay this one on the female doorstep. Men have made the vigina of significance, and women have just run with that. Yes, men with their history of wanting virgins, valuing women who held out rather than put out, locking chastity belts on wives and being furious if those wives had sex with other men. Including those guys in high school who mocked any girl who was easy.

You've only yourself and your own sex to blame for this.

To elaborate: if a woman says to a guy, "Wanna fuck now?" the man will say "Yes!" If the man says, "You wanna fuck now?" the woman will say, "Take me out on a few dates and we'll see." This is why the man gets "lucky." Ditto with married men as well who often feel that they don't get sex as much or as often or as easily as they want to even from their wives.

And believe it or not (probably not as it seems you were raised by wolves), men want it this way. They don't want their women easy (they call such women nasty names like "sluts" and "Whores"). They want that game of chase and conquer. They want to feel they've gone after and gotten the "Holy Grail!"

And so whether the vigina should be accurately called that or not, most men want it to be that way. It strokes their egos to think that they've gotten what other men wanted...but couldn't have. This desirable woman gave that pussy to THEM...not to any other knight seeking it.

Does that answer your question?

 

[FinnMacCool555]

I agree with most of what 3113 said, except for one thing: while it is true that many men call women who put out a lot sluts or whores, 90% of the time I hear those words, it's coming from a woman. If guys are pissed at a woman, they might call her a bitch, but slut/whore/skank/etc. isn't that common. With women, however, it seems to be a default putdown to accuse other women of being too easy.

Oh, and also, those rules about chastity and stuff were all created by the elite members of human society: i.e. the ones who know they can get laid. Women were discouraged from giving it away to easily cause the nobles, priests, and other powerful members of society didn't want their harem moonlighting on them. We weak, unattractive males have evolved a very different outlook on things.

 

[River Otter]

Or how about, when you see a hot woman that you want to fuck, what do you think of first in fucking her?

The first thing I think of is "How much is she going to charge me?"

 

[BlackSnake]

The first thing I think of is "How much is she going to charge me?"

That was funny...lol


If by this question you have become frustrated, stop trying so hard. Just like animals can smell fear, women can see desperation. You're not showing the confidence in yourself.

It really isn't that hard, you just have to put yourself in the right position. Laugh and have yourself a good time. You'd be amazed at how many women like having a good time.

Don't study pick you lines, just try a little decorum. Be yourself. They can pretty much guess your motivation.

I've gotten on the dance floor by myself many times, and ended up with more than a few partners.

Go where you like to go, so you will be comfortable. Surely there's a woman out there who likes the same thing.

 

[emap]

Fin I have to disagree, I have been called all of those things by men, in and out of bed. It's fun in bed or leading up to bed, but when he's screaming out his window about how I am such a skanky whore and so on, it's not.

Not to say sleeping with his roommate while he was asleep was a good idea, or that the roommate was any better, but men do use those phrases. Especially when furious, mad is bitch, teasing is bitch, furious is skanky whore, goddamn slut and so forth.

 

[Blase]

Don't study pick you lines, just try a little decorum. Be yourself. They can pretty much guess your motivation.

Yeah, that's one thing that it took me a while to learn: You're better off trying NOT to flirt.

Seriously, it's much less stressful to just work on talking and getting to know a woman; doing your darndest not to hint at a sexual interest in her, until SHE gices YOU a signal or two (these will be subtle at first - if you're the kind of guy who gets overt indications of interest from women, you're not reading this thread for advice in any case). If she never gives you a cue that you can respond to, you have gained some practice at interacting with the opposite sex and spared yourself the humiliation of getting rejected for about the millionth time by someone who you really shouldn't have bothered pursuing, anyway.

Just as an aside, though, there's a bigger problem here: Guys who fit the stereotype of the socially inept "40-year-old virgin" are actually fairly rare. In most cases, the social ineptness is simply a product or a symptom of deeper troubles.

I oughta know.

 

[Blase]

...men do use those phrases. Especially when furious, mad is bitch, teasing is bitch, furious is skanky whore, goddamn slut and so forth.

Ouch, emap. Those phrases hurt me just reading them and I am sorry to hear that you have been subjected to such abuse.

Let me just state the obvious: Not all guys use those expressions. At least some of us have learned that being angry with someone is no excuse to degrade them.

Here's hoping that your current - or your next - partner is move evolved.

 

[snooper]

... Anyway, most women myself included like to say get lucky to their guy or the one nighter they are about to go home with because men say it. I am very not kidding, can't tell you how many times I have had a guy come up and ask if I want to get lucky, or if he can get lucky with me.

I don't know why guys would say that to a woman in a bar, but they would and did often. ...

And do many of them succeed?

 

[emap]

I am sure they do eventually, women get way to drunk just like guys do.

Honestly, the only time a guy who used a sex line on me worked was when I had been sitting with him talking already anyway.

Hmmm well there was one time, I was out dancing revolving partners thing, when a really forward guy grabbed me and started dancing really close, he was big and got bigger, I was breathign a little harder than normal since he was pressing it to me good and mauling my butt, then he leaned down and said I am going to get lucky with you right now aren't I. Let's just say he had a big backseat, and a big bed and I couldn't walk straight the next day, god he was good.

Blase it's OK, I did rather deserve the comments, usually got caught sleeping with his neighbor or roommate, brother a few times and once his dad. I also gave back better, amazing how pink guys get when you yell back that you faked all of your orgasms, he sucked at eating me and his dick was tiny.

Not always true of course but you know pissed redhead.

However with my guy, I have no desire to screw anyone else, now for me to say that is rather stunning, at least my friends say so, and my dad. But true, never had a guy who was both thick and long and perhaps eventually we will want to add people to our bed, but right now that cock is all mine, and I'm his.