Question for the white ladies

[fallen lover]

I've been reading alot of the stories in IR section, and most of them focus on the black guy and his body and how godlike it is etc, and then usually I have to wade through lines and lines of description about penises. As a straight guy- this is very boring for me, in fact it kills my mood flat. Okay, so those particular efforts are written for the ladies, and maybe a few gay men too.

My question is- is it equally boring for women to read page after page of description about the womans body? Seeing how we're talking interracial, after reading all that stuff full of (and I quote 'hard glorious wonderful' black cocks, even though I already have one of my very own, is it boring for white girls to have to read page after page about 'juicy wonderful white asses'?

And what's with all the damn fillatio? that sexual position features over eighty percent of the time in that section, I'm starting to wonder if the IR section should be renamed the Fillatio section. A little more cunnilingus wouldn't hurt... right?

 

[Guest]

boring?

My question is- is it equally boring for women to read page after page of description about the womans body?

fallen- as a woman, I am not particularly "juiced up" by trite descriptive lists, whether in IR or in other erotica... Visual is nice, but connecting the visual to something else is better...eg:

Her sweat slickened, creamy white ass shook as he pounded into her with his glorious cock.
or
The sight of her pale, peach kissed tits caused his nostrils to flare and his monstrous cock to raise up.

I prefer to read about her "attributes" in relation to what it does for him. Inventories in prose gets old for me unless the writer is extremely talented.

A little more cunnilingus wouldn't hurt... right?

*fanning self*
The UK must be a wonderful place if all you men want more cunnilingus.

bridget

 

[Guest]

boring?

That was an informative post, Bridget. Every once in a while, a little writing pearl appears on this site. Your's is one of them. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

IR is one of my most visited section. Some of the stories are good, exciting and full of life, the others are just plain awful.

Racistic fantasies about drooling beasts with 14" cocks (auch!), where the women either are being raped and all of a sudden begins to get turned on by the rape (yeah, right..!), or where she reaches some weird religious extasy by sucking the guys enormous dick.

I love to suck, but it's not because I have some kind of erogenous zone in my throat, but because I love to get my guy all hot and horny - I just know I'll get a "reward" for that once I'm on my back!

And to answer your question, fallen, YES, I find it incredibly boring to read long descriptions of a woman's physical appearance, especially if it's of this kind:

Laura - who was a 5'7" blonde with a thin waist and a 34DDD-cup, which she liked to show off by wearing skimpy little outfits that barely covered her white flesh, combined with thigh-high black leather boots, that made her long, shapely legs look like they went on forever under that fully rounded ass that just screamed "fuck me" - locked the door and put the keys in her purse.

People, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A description should be baked into the action, so that it not just introduces the characters like they were paper dolls, but so that the description itself actually makes the story move on.

I totally agree with Bridget - when describing a woman's looks, do it when telling how horny those looks is making her partner. Much hotter. Much better.

And I can't understand either why there is so little cunnilingus in stories. I mean, we all do it, right? I mean, there's no man in the world who will NOT do this for his woman, right???

 

[Svenskaflicka]

PS - white fleshy ass... makes me think of dough.

 

[Guest]

awww shucks

That was an informative post, Bridget. Every once in a while, a little writing pearl appears on this site. Your's is one of them. Thanks for the tip

*smiling*
Ricochet- that's the nicest compliment I've had in a long time. Thanks!
-bridget

 

[its Leslie]

Hope I am not intruding on the ladies turf here, but the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid) applies I believe, to both men and women.

Tedious is always tedious. It matters not if its an over drawn description for the men or for the ladies.

That is it in a nutshell.

Writing, I think personally, conquers the barrier of preference best when done well. Men are visually stimulated creatures while women are generally more emotionally stimulated (that's a tad cliche, but reasonably true).

A good story paints a good mental image, but does it in ways that also display emotive quality. Your audience needs to "see" what you write, and be able to "feel" what you write.

So its not the words its how you use them.

 

[TheEarl]

Always a firm believer that any description that you cannot fit naturally into the flow of the story has no place there. It's always better to leave something to the reader's imagination or even to skip the physical descriptions altogether and concentrate on impressions. Far better to be too scant than to describe the character as if he/she was in a lineup.

I too apologise for intruding on the ladies only thread.

The Earl

 

[fallen lover]

Re: boring?

fallen- as a woman, I am not particularly "juiced up" by trite descriptive lists, whether in IR or in other erotica... Visual is nice, but connecting the visual to something else is better...eg:

Her sweat slickened, creamy white ass shook as he pounded into her with his glorious cock.
or
The sight of her pale, peach kissed tits caused his nostrils to flare and his monstrous cock to raise up.

I prefer to read about her "attributes" in relation to what it does for him. Inventories in prose gets old for me unless the writer is extremely talented.

*fanning self*
The UK must be a wonderful place if all you men want more cunnilingus.

bridget

Thanks bridgetkeeny, very usefull insight- just the kind of knowledge I was seeking. I know what you mean- even as a man, those 'trite lists' are pretty flat and emotionaly non-reactive to me, whereas describing the effect on the other does have a whole different effect. Your little example there turned me on

And also, I get off on the power a woman has over me that I'm all google-stupid over her body and movements, I like being 'in thrall' that way, so it's good to see that state of arousal in the man described, instead of all the time as if the mans doing the woman a favour having sex with her, but may as well be using the toilet, and shows no real joy at being with the woman- just a kind of domineering sneery machoness.

PS, I started this thread for both men and women authors, nobodies intruding to say their opinions in it.

 

[fallen lover]

And about the cunnilingus, what can ?I say, I like muff, you don't havta be a lesbian to like muff ya know

 

[Quasimodem]

Fallen Lover,

I can't answer your original question, as you asked it specifically of the ladies - though I do have an opinion.

What I wanted to comment upon is the following:

And what's with all the damn fillatio?

I think the word you meant to use (twice) was "fellatio".

"Fillatio" is what the Mrs. did to John Bobbit!

 

[poohlive]

I really don't think you have to go to InterRacial to see some bad erotica writing. It's everywhere, and here on Lit because there really is no rejection. So long as you've spelled most of your clitoris's right, and it involves sex, it's going onto the site.
Amateur writers, just like amateur anything else, has it's good it's bad and it's ugly. Some people just aren't good, some are learning, some are diamonds in the rough, and a great number of others are simply the rough that diamonds come out of.

That's why in the professional writing community there are editors and publishers and people who get paid so they can throw out all of the description based bad fiction, and leave in the character/plot driven intrigue that gets our heart racing and leaves us wanting more.

I think the reason that bad IR fiction pops up as a red flag for some people might be in the true meaning behind it. Some people like women being humiliated and "slumming," (not that an interracial relationship is in any way slumming for either person, but most IR sex stories I've read abuse this angle). It's just like what someone wrote earlier, watching the prudish woman about to be raped suddenly have a turn around and then begins liking the forbidden act performed without her consent.

It's watching a woman, who is filled with a bitchy sort of pride that turns her from a crystal vase on a pedastal to a dog in heat. Men love to fantasize about the woman that they can't get, and this one is high on the list.

It could be traced back to ancient greek tragedy plays. It's a sickening desire that some people have, to watch a person fall from grace, to go from a high place of power and contentment to basically in the gutters. Oedipus comes to mind (but that in itself leads down a whole other sexual tract that we won't go into right now).

As far as no cunninglus in those particular threads, again I'd have to chalk it up to simple male arrogance. The whole point of a rape is for the man to get off, which means that her needs are never characterized into the equation. They are usually met though, by her turning around and liking the rape, evenutally more turn on by it then he is, which would never really happen. It's a power play, even if it isn't exactly rape, and the man going down would show compassion and a true connection, which means it needs to get tossed out. Suck, fuck, blow, and leave.

Personally when I look for a story to read, I never go into the interracial section unless I'm specifically in a dominant mood. Otherwise I'll look for some reading material elsewhere.

The best word of advice I'd give to anyone is to do it themselves. You don't like how it's done, then show them. Make a nice romantic sex scene about an interracial couple with all the frills of romance, along with the carnal energy of sex.

Don't like long paragraph's about cocks, or a basic description at the beginning where the woman ironically looks at herself in the mirror, and can't help describe herself in perfect detail, then leave all that excess baggage at the airport. Personally I like stories with little descriptions about the character, that way I can put myself into the story easier. Write something worthwhile and meaningful, to put it next to those other stories, and show them all how it's really done.
I'd love to see it.
As I said, Good bad and ugly. I know there are some good IR stories, I know there are twice as many bad IR stories, and I know that the ugly ones pop up more often than they should, but that's how it is sometimes.

 

[Pookie]

I wasn't going to post to this thread because I felt like I would be walking in a minefield ... but here goes ...

Most (not all) interracial stories that I seem to end up clicking on and reading involves a white woman becoming a black man's slut/slave. It usually involves a large degree of domination and even humiliation of the woman. The white woman comes under the spell of this gigantic black beer can of a cock. She of course can no longer process rational thoughts any longer other than having this monster black cock inside her at all times. If this white woman happens to have a husband, the black man either enslaves him or humiliates him to some degree by his gigantic cock's ability to cause his wife to leave her family and grovel at his feet for his giant cock. What seems to also be typical of these stories is the constant and NUMEROUS reminders that this black man has a 12+ inch beer can thick cock. The black man seems to show no emotions other than the primal need to put his gigantic appendage inside the body of a white woman.

These are not what I hope "interracial" stories are meant to be. These are domination and/or humiliation stories in my opinion (if not science fiction!). I love to read well-written stories about a black man and a white woman (and vice versa) falling in lust/love. What makes it different than same race couples is the, supposed, "taboo" of the relationship itself. It is the same in many ways as the attraction incest stories have. You have a relationship that is not typical (certainly incest is WAY beyond typical).

I wish more writers would keep the black man in their stories realistic, as well as keeping the relationship realistic. Certainly there can be a realistic mixture of themes as well. Unfortunately, many "interracial" stories seem to cater to readers that are fans of male domination and humiliation, doing a poor job in the process as well in most cases.

Just my thoughts and I hope I did not offend any of the better interracial story writers with this post.

 

[wildsweetone]

...just my humble opinion

i too was going to avoid hopping on this thread, but will throw my hat in anyway...

interracial, racial, racism, racist...

The unenlightened of this world lump all four of those words together and prefer to take the antagonistic meaning as the main definition.

A while back, I was given a dare to write a story between a white man and a black mother and daughter. It was an interracial incest romance - quite a handful of a story as you can imagine.

Now while I fully realise I did this story in the briefest format possible, the feedback I received was mostly ridiculously concerned that there hadn't been enough of the 'conflict' which many people believe happens in interracial relationships.

People did not and could not relate to the story because it did not fall under the stereotypical image that interracial and/or incestual stories are generally boxed.

Until people rid themselves of the dogma which clings to their thoughts, nothing will change. Stereotypes are easy to avoid writing, but very difficult for a reader to learn not to expect.

 

[MechaBlade]

Re: ...just my humble opinion

I hear fallen lover and agree wholeheartedly.

People did not and could not relate to the story because it did not fall under the stereotypical image that interracial and/or incestual stories are generally boxed.

Until people rid themselves of the dogma which clings to their thoughts, nothing will change. Stereotypes are easy to avoid writing, but very difficult for a reader to learn not to expect.

The one thing I will say about the Interracial section is that you should expect there to be some sort of racial conflict/fetishism in the stories. If I write a story between an interracial couple (which I have done many of) and there's no racial conflict, then I wouldn't put it in the Interracial section. I'd put it in one of the other sections.

 

[its Leslie]

I personally hate the term "racist"

Our race is "human". As such, to be "racist" should imply I don't want to fuck cute looking gorrillas (or goats or sheep, or ducks chickens donkey etc).

Black, red, white, plaid, whatever, we are all humans.

Maybe it might be possible to be biased against Neandethals, hmmm, well there doesn't seem to be many Neanderthals around lately actually.

African, Canadian, Australian, Asian, we are still all humans. Where you come from doesn't mean much to me.

Walk through Toronto sometime, it becomes apparent that the human race is is headed towards eventual complete assimilation (unless you are from Quebec and think you can actually preserve your distinctivness some how).

The only cultures out there worthy of scorn, are those that think they are special. We are all just scrawny clever naked apes.

Your colour means nothing. I personally hate people that "label" themselves as a specific "race". By being part of the black, red, white, asian, african, whatever "race" you are just causing the harm to yourself.

When I fill out my census I call myself a Native Canadian. I was born here. If that pisses off "native" Canadians, to bad, get used to it I say. As it goes, just wearing the Canadian label should go.

Proud to be just a Terran male homo sapiens .

 

[JUDO]

Not really qualified to answer, I guess. I can see by your question that you meant "straight" white women.

Vivid descriptions of either sex, no matter what the pocketbook, race or other line to cross, gets me going.


- Judo

 

[wildsweetone]

Re: Re: ...just my humble opinion

I hear fallen lover and agree wholeheartedly.



The one thing I will say about the Interracial section is that you should expect there to be some sort of racial conflict/fetishism in the stories. If I write a story between an interracial couple (which I have done many of) and there's no racial conflict, then I wouldn't put it in the Interracial section. I'd put it in one of the other sections.

my point exactly.

why should we expect conflict/fetishism in the stories???

just because there is no racial conflict DOES NOT mean that it's NOT interracial? or am i a dunce on this?

 

[Ulyssa]

I wasn't going to post to this thread because I felt like I would be walking in a minefield...The black man seems to show no emotions other than the primal need to put his gigantic appendage inside the body of a white woman...

These are not what I hope "interracial" stories are meant to be. These are domination and/or humiliation stories in my opinion (if not science fiction!). I love to read well-written stories about a black man and a white woman (and vice versa) falling in lust/love. What makes it different than same race couples is the, supposed, "taboo" of the relationship itself...

I wish more writers would keep the black man in their stories realistic, as well as keeping the relationship realistic. Certainly there can be a realistic mixture of themes as well. Unfortunately, many "interracial" stories seem to cater to readers that are fans of male domination and humiliation, doing a poor job in the process as well in most cases.

Just my thoughts and I hope I did not offend any of the better interracial story writers with this post.

Believe me, P-G, your observations are very astute! Those of us who write romantic IR are at a distinct disadvantage when being judged by the stereotypical black male domination over white woman hyper-fantasy. We are guaranteed a string of one votes and a flurry of emails about how we "hate white men."

So my own trend has been to mainstream my work to mirror traditional romance themes within the taboo of IR. This is, of course, anti-one-handed and a guarantee of poor voting results--something I've gotten used to.

I can only take solice in the fact that I've gotten more than my share of "E" designations.

Thank you Laurel.

 

[MechaBlade]

I personally hate the term "racist"

Our race is "human". As such, to be "racist" should imply I don't want to fuck cute looking gorrillas (or goats or sheep, or ducks chickens donkey etc).

...

Your colour means nothing. I personally hate people that "label" themselves as a specific "race". By being part of the black, red, white, asian, african, whatever "race" you are just causing the harm to yourself.

I agree that all people are equal, but there are differences between people. 90% of rappers a Black (in America). A large percentage of Japanese Americans speak Japanese. There are plenty of reasons that people can feel more comfortable with their race or at least, being grouped with their race. There are a lot of differences, even medical ones (i.e. some more prone for skin cancer, or sickle cell anemia), that go with skin color.

Having said that, there is a certain taboo with dating outside of the race. Most of that is based on racist stereotypes that people are breaking free of. I'm guessing (just guessing here) that there is a large portion of the population that are curious what sex between a White woman and Black man would be like, and what barriers they might face, or cultural habits they might bring to the table, hence all the Caucasian woman/Afro-American man stories.

An sometimes it's just exoticism. I find most Asian women really exotic looking. They turn me on.

The only bad thing is when all the stories have cookie cutter characters (which is actually bad for any genre) of the most coonin' Black men to ever leave the 'hood (with the largest cock in the entire animal kingdom) and the Whitest homemaker women that are completely inexperienced about even seeing a person of a different race in their neighborhood. I hate those stories most of the time.

my point exactly.

why should we expect conflict/fetishism in the stories???

just because there is no racial conflict DOES NOT mean that it's NOT interracial? or am i a dunce on this?

No, I understand you completely, but to me, there is nothing special about interracial relationships if both of them act, how do I say it... mainstream American? and have no issues. If a Black man is whipping an Indian girl, it should go in the BDSM genre because the sadomasochism is the most important element in the story. If it's his first time with an Indian girl and he finds all these aspects of her culture/body/face fascinating, *then* it belongs in the interracial category.

Otherwise, who cares what their race is? Most of my stories leave the race of the characters up to the reader. Just my opinion.

 

[Whispersecret]

I think that readers expect conflict in the interracial category because that is part of that category's allure. Just as it is in the incest category. If there's no conflict between the two people because of their race, then it's just an erotic coupling, or whatever.

I'm not saying that everytime two people of different races fuck there has to be conflict. Of course not. I'm saying that, in a way, readers of the interracial category are "color-blind" because it's the conflict that matters, not necessarily the color.

I think it's a shame that the IR category doesn't have more of a variety of stories and that the spectrum is so focused on black men hung like horses dominating white women who end up sluts.

Finally, I think that as far as racial identification is concerned, there should be a happy medium. I don't think that anyone who is ALL about being black or Indian or whatever has a healthy self-image. Just as I think a person who views himself and the world as completely colorless is neglecting to see the elephant in the room.

I mean, face facts. Whether you call it race or culture or color, differences exist, and not all for the bad, for heaven's sake. Sure, a lot of bad shit has happened and still does happen because of these differences, but that doesn't mean we should blindly decree that differences are bad and everything is equal.

I think some cultures have a right to feel they're special. Hey, France makes some damned good wine and their language is, in my opinion, the most beautiful sounding in the world. The Japanese have really rallied since WWII and that's something to be proud of. My own ancestors, the Chinese, invented all sorts of shit like pasta and gunpowder and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember right now. What's so wrong about recognizing that and taking some pride in the fact that you come from a culture rich with history and accomplishment?

 

[gaigirl]

I'm laughing at this from the first of the thread through each and every posting. Not that many of you haven't raised valid points, or that I disagree with anyone, I'm laughing because my worst rating is for my IR story. I get it now. My story isn't about a black guy raping a white woman! No wonder it has a 2.5! LOL

I think I should have read a wider selection of stories in that category before I chose it as the place for my story. I learned. While there are IR elements in my story, and to some degree the story depends on them, my story is far from "hot" which is another problem with it, reflected by the ratings. All ratings really show is popularity, not quality. There are things about my story I would change based on the feedback, but other things I wouldn't, because it is my story. For that reason, the ratings don't really matter on this one.

I'm in an IR in RL, and the above mentioned stereotypes are interesting to me. I don't think of my partner as of another race. I think of him for who he is, not "what" he is. It never crossed my mind that he would think of me as of a different race than he. We have enough trouble with male/female. (Inter Species)


The story
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=62265

 

[its Leslie]

The point I was trying to highlight with the term "racist", is that it is our desire to actually see the difference that gets us.

When I chat with foreign location (to me foreign means outside of Canada) persons, I tell them, if they come to Canada, make sure to intentionally avoid the big cities.

Coming to Canada from say India, moving to Toronto or Montreal, intentionally selecting a part of the city that is predominantly persons originating from India, what have you accomplished coming here, nothing, nothing at all.

The people in those communities only transplant what it was that made them unhappy with the place they left. The end result, we don't see any benefit from having come to a new country.

I am not against immigration though. I am merely against persons coming here, and dragging the woes of their home country along with them.

I don't want the Indian races culture here, I don't want the African culture here. I am not interested in the Russian culture, Japanese culture or any other un mentioned culture.

They only serve to divide us. It's the cultures doing it to us, not the skin shade. We see the colour instantly associate it with point of origin, and insert automatic bias.

If you live on this planet you should be referred to only as "human" or Terran.

Isolating yourself as Japanese only quantifies your worth to a disadvantage.

Yes I find the asiatic girls exotic. They don't have to have been born and raised in Japan though. The first girl I ever "noticed" in my youth, was Japanese decent, but to me, she was just a cute girl born in Canada with asiatic looks.
I like the eyes the shape of the face, I also don't like blondes, so asiatic girls fit that need quite nicely.

But I like Asiatic girls for reasons of physical difference in much the same way I like other things that appeal to me on a physical difference. I liken girls to flowers, but not all flowers grab my eye equally.

 

[Pookie]

probably getting way off subject ... but ...

Just as there are different birds of a feather, just like there are different breeds of dogs, just like there are different fish in the sea ... the human race has its own differences.

Is one type of bird better than another? No. Does each type of bird have something unique about it that makes it an integral part of nature? Yes.

Is one "culture" or "race" better than another? No. Does each human "culture" or "race" have something unique about it that makes it an integral part of the world? Yes.

Are male and female different? Yes, of course they are. Is one sex better than another? No, of course not. Do both bring something unique of their own to the world? Definately.

We are all different. The differences each of us have is what makes us unique and special at the same time. God forbid that the world ever be assimilated to the point that our differences can't be seen.

The problem is that there are still too many that see differences as making one weaker or stronger than another. But I hope the world never sacrifices the diversity of its many "differences" just so we can say we are "equal".

We all discriminate. I might prefer a blonde over a brunette. I might prefer short hair verus long hair. I might prefer blue eyes over brown eyes. I might prefer rock music over country music, etc. etc. The problem begins when people are seen as "less" of a person because of something not prefered by someone else.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Re: Re: ...just my humble opinion

The one thing I will say about the Interracial section is that you should expect there to be some sort of racial conflict/fetishism in the stories. If I write a story between an interracial couple (which I have done many of) and there's no racial conflict, then I wouldn't put it in the Interracial section. I'd put it in one of the other sections.

Why must an interracial story be about racial conflicts??? Why would it be so unlikely that a couple of different colors would have to have a conflict because of their origins? We're talking skin color here, it's not like we're different species!

I prefer interracial stories that are romantic, sexy stories about normal erotic couplings between two people of different skin colors. Period.