Question for the group

[chagey]

As an author, I have a question for the group.

I usually write stories where the females are fairly dominant. Males are usually put into situations that they ultimately like but need to be led to (usually incest or cuckold.)

My question involves bi male contact. I know it is a very touchy subject and a turn-off for most people. I sometimes include a man having to put someone else's penis into his wife /gf or eating someone afterwards. I write it with the idea that it is a submission and admission that he approves more than male on male sex.

Is it still a turn-off?
Is it not noticed?
Do others see it as submission also?
Do you consider light contact bi?

Please let me know. As an author I write to please. Let me know what pleases.

chagey

 

[Wildcard Ky]

Please let me know. As an author I write to please. Let me know what pleases.

chagey

I must respectfully disagree with that. You're never going to please everyone. No matter what you write, some will like it, and some will hate it.

I'm always of the opinion that you write what's in you and share it with others, not what you think others want to hear.

 

[carsonshepherd]

I must respectfully disagree with that. You're never going to please everyone. No matter what you write, some will like it, and some will hate it.

I'm always of the opinion that you write what's in you and share it with others, not what you think others want to hear.

I totally agree with you. The best stories are the ones that turn the author on. Not everyone will agree, but that's their problem.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I'm in accord with Wildcard & Carson, you have to write for yourself. Some will like it some won't, but no story will please everyone and if you are writing to please a particular audience you rsik writing to a niche that is appreciably smaller than you would if you only added that particular flair to a more braod work.

 

[Guest]

Have to go with the majority here. Sexuality is wildly varied and deeply personal. Yet people meet up who like the same thing.

Don't worry about pleasing others at this point. Just write to tell everyone what YOU think is hot. Someone else is sure to find it the perfect thing. You'll find a little of everything in the story lists. There is a lot because not everything suits everybody, but SOMETHING will suit SOMEONE.

 

[chagey]

Thanks for the feedback

Great point!

I don't usually think of the reader until the story is done and editing starts.

Do you limit your audience due to one or two lines? It's sort of the flip side of Colleen's comment.

I have no problem with bisexuallity. I am wondering more if others even notice a quick mention during a story.

A sub question. If I do include mild male contact, should I include it in the story description codes?

 

[joeys-game]

Great point!

I don't usually think of the reader until the story is done and editing starts.

Do you limit your audience due to one or two lines? It's sort of the flip side of Colleen's comment.

I have no problem with bisexuallity. I am wondering more if others even notice a quick mention during a story.

A sub question. If I do include mild male contact, should I include it in the story description codes?

I honestly wouldn't have thought that m/m contact would be an issue, especially here at Lit!
Write what you enjoy writing, there are many people that enjoy reading about m/m contact.

 

[Guest]

I honestly wouldn't have thought that m/m contact would be an issue, especially here at Lit!
Write what you enjoy writing, there are many people that enjoy reading about m/m contact.

*I* think it's interesting and I'm not even prejudiced...

 

[AppleBiter]

Great point!

I don't usually think of the reader until the story is done and editing starts.

Do you limit your audience due to one or two lines? It's sort of the flip side of Colleen's comment.

I have no problem with bisexuallity. I am wondering more if others even notice a quick mention during a story.

A sub question. If I do include mild male contact, should I include it in the story description codes?

Speaking more as a reader and less as a writer: Maybe it's just me, but whenever I read a story involving more than just one couple (which is quite a bit . . . I'm a pretty big fan of the Group Sex cat.), I sort of expect some form of bisexual contact in one way or another. If I'm reading a group story, no I don't really notice it much at all. But, that's me. Other people might; I don't know. It's probably all a matter of who you're dealing with.

To answer your second question, I don't feel that you should include that in the description, no. But, that's entirely up to you.

Best of luck.

 

[joeys-game]

*I* think it's interesting and I'm not even prejudiced...

Ha..me neither

 

[chagey]

Thanks Everyone

I appreciate all the feedback from everybody.

I got bitched at from a few readers (story posted on another site) and wanted to see if they had a legit complaint.

My attitude has always been 'what's teh big deal?'

 

[Stella_Omega]

I appreciate all the feedback from everybody.

I got bitched at from a few readers (story posted on another site) and wanted to see if they had a legit complaint.

My attitude has always been 'what's teh big deal?'

Oh, yeah, the complainers will always let you know all your faults! fugeddaboudem.

 

[Liar]

I honestly wouldn't have thought that m/m contact would be an issue, especially here at Lit!

It's not that it is an issue per se. Most people here don't have a problem with homosexuality. But that doesn't mean that they'll like and enjoy it as erotic content in a story. This applies to any kind of sexual activity really. I don't have an issue with, for instance, watersports. I don't condemn people who like it. But for me it's a sexual turn-off. If I find it unannounced in an otherwise hot story, it will completely ruin the erotic mood. For me.

Thewre will always be something that turns someone off.

So, like other people have said. Don't worry, just write.

 

[chris 44]

I'm with the majority, (no surprise there), with one little addition.

Write what turns you on, not what you think others would like to read. Over time you'll find yourself gaining your own regular band of readers. Cherish them, they're what keeps you going when the flamers make you doubt yourself. And yes, we all get them

 

[OhMissScarlett]

I appreciate all the feedback from everybody.

I got bitched at from a few readers (story posted on another site) and wanted to see if they had a legit complaint.

My attitude has always been 'what's teh big deal?'

I can identify with the feedback issue when it comes to bi stories. Occasionally, no matter how well you point out that there will be bi sex in a story, a reader will get pissed and insist that you're trying to "trick" them into reading about m/m action. I think when a story goes into group, the reader should be prepared for anything to happen. Like everyone else said, write what you like. It's been my experience here that most readers are open-minded enough to go along for the ride no matter where you're taking them.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Great point!

I don't usually think of the reader until the story is done and editing starts.

Do you limit your audience due to one or two lines? It's sort of the flip side of Colleen's comment.

I have no problem with bisexuallity. I am wondering more if others even notice a quick mention during a story.

A sub question. If I do include mild male contact, should I include it in the story description codes?

I will make an annotation here. If you post your story to a cat other than Gay male and it has M/M content, you can pretty much count on some one bombs and nasty feedback/PCs.

While the majority of writers here have no problems with it, the average reader is not neccissarily so open. If I am including content in a work that is generally ouside my norm, I will make an author's note at the begining of the story. I consider this a courtesy to my regular readers, who, in general, have come to like my lesbian themed work. A lot of writers do not do this. It's really a matter of personal choice.

That said, from what I have heard and seen, if you add M/M content to a work not in the M/m cat, you will draw some fire.

That's not the voice of experience however, just what I have gathered, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

I appreciate all the feedback from everybody.

I got bitched at from a few readers (story posted on another site) and wanted to see if they had a legit complaint.

My attitude has always been 'what's teh big deal?'

There shouldn't be, but some people are a bit close-minded. I rarely get problems when I have lesbian action appear in a non-lebian cat story (like sci-fi, romance or what have you), but if you put gay male in something that doesn't say "gay male" in the category, you're in trouble.

That being said, I have to let some of my hypocrisy show. If I find incest or non-consent material outside of those particular genre categories, I get pretty upset. I find non-consent stories offensive and don't like having them surprised on me.

One thing to consider, particularly in mixed genre stories, is putting a forward at the beginning of the story to let the reader know what type of sexual activity is taking place. I do that, and don't get as much grief. Another writer had a story in the lesbian category, but he/she put a note saying that there was some non-consent elements. I really appreciated that, and think it shows responsible authorship.

 

[Kev H]

I appreciate all the feedback from everybody.

I got bitched at from a few readers (story posted on another site) and wanted to see if they had a legit complaint.

My attitude has always been 'what's teh big deal?'

Out of sensitivity toward your readers (and you seem to imply you care), I'd definately preface it if it crosses a few lines with bold strides. I whole-heartedly agree with the "you can't please everyone" comments, but if you "sucker them in" to reading something they do not want, you will almost always get bad comments. It's an empathy thing.

 

[Pure]

Hi Chagey

I agree with Colly, and don't endorse the majority view:

Unless you post to 'gay male' or have huge warnings, the usual incest reader wants brother to bang mom and sis, not his other brother. Expecially if it's unexpected, you will reap protests. {{Should 'gay' be the over powering 'label'-- maybe not, but it is, IMO. For males, at least, as Colly says, lesbians are OK, provided that the lesbians don't prefer women to men!}}

Does that matter?

Well, as some have said, maybe not. No lit ratings 'matter' in the grand scheme of things, and the published writers are NOT those with the highest ratings. So if you're writing only for yourself, you can do what you like. I would still say, let your audience know who you're pitching to-- if it's bi males who want to bang mom and bro, then say it, and you can be the writer to that group.

Just my unofficial musings, no directions.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

It's kind of about general category expectations... and m/m sex outside of category is the biggie, although I've had people zing me for putting anal into "other" categories and not warning them. I still don't warn them :x but that's me... The stuff I write, I don't usually write "for category" and often have a hard time figuring out where to put it. I had a story like that, A Different Angle... it was a first time, but it was anal, and there was an age difference between the characters... so I threw it in "mature." Mature readers were annoyed--not enough of an age difference. Plus, there was anal sex. But it wasn't 'hard" anal... which seems to be what that cetegory is about... and a lot first time readers would have taken offense to the anal.

that said, I think an author's note is a good idea in general. when things move out of the general expectations for the category... I just don't follow my own advice..

 

[chagey]

This discussion is my exact quandry!

The best example I can come up with is an incest story I completed recently (apologies to those who do not like.) Due to subject matter it MUST be filed under the incest catagory. It did have a group scene and minor m/m contact.

I may be bias but I thought it was a damn fine story. Do I write warnings all over it in a prologue when there is only 2 lines dealing with the insertion of one man into his wife by another ?

I hear everyone's comment that I should write for myself, which I do.

What about Pure or Colly's comments? Do I include the warning so they skip the story? It's only one comment.

Thanks to everyone for jumping in!!

 

[Colleen Thomas]

This discussion is my exact quandry!

The best example I can come up with is an incest story I completed recently (apologies to those who do not like.) Due to subject matter it MUST be filed under the incest catagory. It did have a group scene and minor m/m contact.

I may be bias but I thought it was a damn fine story. Do I write warnings all over it in a prologue when there is only 2 lines dealing with the insertion of one man into his wife by another ?

I hear everyone's comment that I should write for myself, which I do.

What about Pure or Colly's comments? Do I include the warning so they skip the story? It's only one comment.

Thanks to everyone for jumping in!!

It's your call. There is no right or wrong here, just shades of opinion.

I've been writing here a while and have built a readership. So when I experiment, I feel it would be rude not to let them know I am experimenting with the work. Other writers feel no such compunction.

If you have thick skin and aren't concerend about your rating, you have less to worry about. If you are worried about the ratings or you take comments hard, then you are better served by giving advance warning when your story moves into something as controversial and heated as M/M sex.

It's just a plain truth that a lot of male readers will feel you "tricked" them into reading gay male material by posting it in another category. You're actual intent, is immaterial to their perception of your intent. A warning will serve to protect yourself from some, but probably not all, of the fall out of that perception.

I guess the best way to say it is this: When I read Carson's work, I expect it to be M/M, When I read Shang's work, I'm not going to be surprised by M/M content, if i was reading Rob's latest and there was M/M content, I'd be shocked. Certainly anytime male genitalia appear in one of my works, my regular readers will be thrown off. It's not the expectaion they have for the work.

And that expectation is really what the cats are about. They give a reader a guide to find what he/she is looking for without endless opening and back clicking. You buck that expctation at your own discression.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

This discussion is my exact quandry!

The best example I can come up with is an incest story I completed recently (apologies to those who do not like.) Due to subject matter it MUST be filed under the incest catagory. It did have a group scene and minor m/m contact.

I may be bias but I thought it was a damn fine story. Do I write warnings all over it in a prologue when there is only 2 lines dealing with the insertion of one man into his wife by another ?

I hear everyone's comment that I should write for myself, which I do.

What about Pure or Colly's comments? Do I include the warning so they skip the story? It's only one comment.

Thanks to everyone for jumping in!!

That is a tough call. I've been flamed in the incest category for a m/m/f story and I felt like from my description it was obvious that there would be m/m contact. By reading three paragraphs, one could figure it out. *shrugs*

I definitely think the little m/m action you described would probably freak some readers if they were way into the story and it cropped up all of a sudden. Hell, it might even disappoint people like myself who would be looking for MORE m/m.
I'd probably post a warning at the beginning saying there was slight contact and leave it up to the individual.