Question for all the Self Professed Democrats, Republicans, Libetarians and Otherians

Todd

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We all know that if the effort was put for by any party that any difficulty that assails a nations could and can be solved within 10-20 years.

But each and every party plays these problems off of the otherparties in a colorful sipn technique tto extablish a political good guy/bad guy senario, hoping to establish in the proces themselves as the good guys and their opposition as the bad guy.

If instead of using these problems to forward thier brand cause what ever the dark sinister behind the scene plan might be for any party. They simply moved forward and effectively completely solved the problem within a 10-20 year plan,which is possible.

Where would that leave any of the parties?

They would not have a sociaetal ill to be able to blame on each other for they would be solved instead of ever extended which all parties currently do.

I believe that eventually if the parties moved forward on solving the issues instead of spinning on them, the issues would be solved and soon there would no longer be need of such a system, in essence they would possibly work them selves out of a job.

Posting for my opposition:

Todd you think in to simplistic back and white terms of right and wrong good and bad.

Such a plan would eventually lead us in to a chaos theory society, with the parties being desolved because they solved the issues, utter perposity.

Societal ills would not/could not be solved in the simplistic 10-20 years that you suggest.

And the paries do not "spin" the issues to thier own ill, you are a very sick person if you think that the government no matter its affiliation would use an issue for the soul purpose of forwarding this "dark evil desiring purpose" you say that they all have.
 
What problems do you and your "opponents" have in mind?

What can be "solved" in 10-20 years? Pollution? Crime? Auto safety? Child pornography? National defense? Rape? Racism? The parties try to turn these issues to their advantages, sometimes make them worse. Sometimes they improve things, for a while. Todd, what problems do you really believe could be solved, definitively, in 10-20 years?
 
Shadowsource....

For god's sake, sssssh! You're ruining the perfect solution - Todd posts, then answers himself. He's become a self-contained unit.
 
Re: What problems do you and your "opponents" have in mind?

shadowsource said:
What can be "solved" in 10-20 years? Pollution? Crime? Auto safety? Child pornography? National defense? Rape? Racism? The parties try to turn these issues to their advantages, sometimes make them worse. Sometimes they improve things, for a while. Todd, what problems do you really believe could be solved, definitively, in 10-20 years?


If things were started into effect today with out being torn down by the oppositions spin regardless of who starts and who spins.

I believe that:

Social security issues
Pollution
Crime/Rape
Racism
Economy
Natural resources/energy conservation/preservation
National defense

Could all be solved in a 10-20 year program in North America.

But from what we currently have one party would not allow the other party to actually instigate and begin a plan of solution. becuase it seems to be much better politically to keep a problem around to spin on it, than to solve a problem and resolve it.

As for Child porn that is far out of the hands of the governments capability even if they all worked together.

Autosafety though not a real government issue as much as manufacutory common sense can in itself be solved with in 10-20 years as well
 
And Thus

Thomas Paine said:
Shadowsource....

For god's sake, sssssh! You're ruining the perfect solution - Todd posts, then answers himself. He's become a self-contained unit.

Made us obsolete! The horror...I am inconsequential.

I actually think like Todd on this one...we do waste more time and effort on arguing about and redefining pollution, poverty, Social Security ad infinitum than we actually spend working on them.

It's like we all want to get to Disneyworld but we spend the whole day arguing about which road to take. Let's just get moving.

And no stopping on the way, so go now if you have to damnit!

"Knock it off back there! Don't make me stop this car."
 
Re: And Thus

Thumper said:


Made us obsolete! The horror...I am inconsequential.

I actually think like Todd on this one...we do waste more time and effort on arguing about and redefining pollution, poverty, Social Security ad infinitum than we actually spend working on them.

It's like we all want to get to Disneyworld but we spend the whole day arguing about which road to take. Let's just get moving.

And no stopping on the way, so go now if you have to damnit!

"Knock it off back there! Don't make me stop this car."

Thank you thumper for making my confusing rhetoric and making it into something that makes sense for the people. Thank you
 
A bump up for the day crew.

Looking for real opinions here not just pot shots
 
since you bumped it anyway, Todd -

No problem worth shit ever stays solved. Change revives, alters, creates new problems out of old ones. Your post is absurd. If you clean your room perfectly, does it not decay and pose the old problems again?
 
Re: since you bumped it anyway, Todd -

shadowsource said:
No problem worth shit ever stays solved. Change revives, alters, creates new problems out of old ones. Your post is absurd. If you clean your room perfectly, does it not decay and pose the old problems again?

So with that line of thought that, we shouldn't bother or expect our government to do anything because well it will just be broken again.

So then Spining the issues and problems really is the best course of action rather than even attempting to fix them cause they will only break again.

Thanks for the insight :confused:
 
Wise ass Canadian Christian pervert!

Todd said:


So with that line of thought that, we shouldn't bother or expect our government to do anything because well it will just be broken again.
I didn't say you shouldn't clean your damned room; I only said you can't clean it for good. Politics, at its best, is social maintenance. Crime is eternal, as is the threat of war. And nature! I've always hated those paranoids who said the CIA created HIV/AIDS; nature cooks up new toxins every day. There are no permanent solutions! Sure, you can solve your earthly problems by killing yourself, but society can't do that, or at least, hasn't done so yet. And don't forget the law of unintended consequences, regarding solutions (the Israelis find new twists in that one every day).
 
Re: Wise ass Canadian Christian pervert!

shadowsource said:
I didn't say you shouldn't clean your damned room; I only said you can't clean it for good


Would you agree to cleaning it up instead of arguing over who and how. Or is it better to allow it to remain status quo while arguing over the who and how.

I agree with the maintenence once its cleaned up, but it seems none of the paries, right, left, center, out to lunch is really making the effort to clean but merely at pointing the fingure at the others and saying that they aren't doing it.
 
Todd, iz it True that You're BobToad?

Wut must I do to enter heaven?:cool:
 
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