question about a "soft" non consent story.

[lovecraft68]

I'm writing this story and my obvious category choice should be non/con reluctance. with reluctance being the more appropriate term.

But I think I may have a problem there. Each category has expectations, especially from the purists. My personal example is "step incest" it drives me and many other nuts in the incest category.

So non con's expectations are basically the pretty harsh treatment of women(or men here and there) right on up to rape.

Thing is this story is about a guy who has money and gets off on finding young (over 18) girls who are in a tough spot and of course offering to bail them out for sex. The main thing with him is he does not like slutty girls, for him more than the thrill of the sex is the corruption. Taking some girl who has maybe had one boyfriend in her life and little experience and making her be his "bad girl"

So the reluctance factor is there as the girl is a nervous wreck and all but whimpering as she follows his instructions. But he is never rough with her, nor is he really verbally degrading, he simply tells her what to do and relishes the looks on her face and her hesitation.

The worst he gets is "You like sucking that cock don't you, you naughty little thing?" just to get her more embarrassed

so is this to "soft" for that category? I'm thinking probably.

But the only other option I can see is mature as he's about 40 and the girl is 20. I am not sure this is the type of story to fly in mature though.

Thoughts?

 

[Boxlicker101]

It might fit better in BDSM, because the guy seems to be a sadistic bastard. It would certaily fly as D/s.

Or, you could have him require anal sex and put it in that category. Or, you might include an interracial factor and put it in that category.

 

[Stella_Omega]

It's kinda BDSM-ish. D/s-ish, at least.

 

[lovecraft68]

It might fit better in BDSM, because the guy seems to be a sadistic bastard. It would certaily fly as D/s.

Or, you could have him require anal sex and put it in that category. Or, you might include an interracial factor and put it in that category.

He is not sadistic. Controlling as in he is calling the shots, but not rough or "mean" if he were truly sadistic this would be a perfect fit for non con.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's kinda BDSM-ish. D/s-ish, at least.

Hmmm, not sure why I didn't think of it this way. Maybe because my BDSM stuff is rougher, but always consensual.

I think you're right though. Probably less of a chance of being trolled there as well.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Just because he didn't beat her first doesn't mean it isn't rape. ANY forced sex is rape.

Being "reluctant" is simply a pablum term to let you rape approvers swallow the shit without choking. There ain't no such thing (except in your wishful thinking).


Now I'm going to go for a morning swim! It's a beautiful Caribbean morning, we're on vaca for another week and breakfast will be waiting when I'm done! (Pfffffft!)

 

[lovecraft68]

Just because he didn't beat her first doesn't mean it isn't rape. ANY forced sex is rape.

Being "reluctant" is simply a pablum term to let you rape approvers swallow the shit without choking. There ain't no such thing (except in your wishful thinking).


Now I'm going to go for a morning swim! It's a beautiful Caribbean morning, we're on vaca for another week and breakfast will be waiting when I'm done! (Pfffffft!)

I disagree. If the woman can literally get up and walk away at any point it is not rape. This is a "business" agreement. He pays her what she needs to get out of trouble and she fucks him. It's her choice all the way.

Where in the Caribbean are you? We're planning a cruise at the end of the summer for our tenth anniversary, but haven't figured out where were going yet.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I disagree. If the woman can literally get up and walk away at any point it is not rape. This is a "business" agreement. He pays her what she needs to get out of trouble and she fucks him. It's her choice all the way.

Where in the Caribbean are you? We're planning a cruise at the end of the summer for our tenth anniversary, but haven't figured out where were going yet.

Extortion is still A form of "force" and if you use force to procure sex you are a rapist (and therefore deserve to die a brutal, horrible death).




We are down in the Dominican Republic.

We spent most of last week here in Punta Cana (east coast), but will be staying in Boca Chica (south coast) next week.

 

[lovecraft68]

Extortion is still A form of "force" and if you use force to procure sex you are a rapist (and therefore deserve to die a brutal, horrible death).




We are down in the Dominican Republic.

We spent most of last week here in Punta Cana (east coast), but will be staying in Boca Chica (south coast) next week.

When a woman says no and you force yourself upon them it is rape, therefore deserving of a horrible death (or at least having to walk with a cane for the rest of your life like I did to the guy who hurt my sister 20 years ago) but in this case, I am going to go with the word...... sleazy.

Besides, I get the guy off the hook a bit, because he begins to play with her and eventually gets her into it. Takes the sting out.

We're leaning towards arruba, but its still up for some debate.

 

[Safe_Bet]

When a woman says no and you force yourself upon them it is rape, therefore deserving of a horrible death (or at least having to walk with a cane for the rest of your life like I did to the guy who hurt my sister 20 years ago) but in this case, I am going to go with the word...... sleazy.

Besides, I get the guy off the hook a bit, because he begins to play with her and eventually gets her into it. Takes the sting out.

We're leaning towards arruba, but its still up for some debate.

So youre saying if a woman is FORCED through circumstance and HAS TO say "I have NO CHOICE but to" that it's not rape? BULLSHIT on that, dude! Force is force no matter HOW it's applied.




I prefer the DR over Aruba because the exchange rate makes it a great value, they speak Spanish (which I prefer over Dutch) and I WAY dig the rum & cigars here! (ever try a semi-green leaf wrapped corolla whils sipping a 20 y.o. aged rum? FANTASTIC!)

 

[lovecraft68]

So youre saying if a woman is FORCED through circumstance and HAS TO say "I have NO CHOICE but to" that it's not rape? BULLSHIT on that, dude! Force is force no matter HOW it's applied.




I prefer the DR over Aruba because the exchange rate makes it a great value, they speak Spanish (which I prefer over Dutch) and I WAY dig the rum & cigars here! (ever try a semi-green leaf wrapped corolla whils sipping a 20 y.o. aged rum? FANTASTIC!)

Where does she have no choice? She can turn down the deal and wander off. There's no gun to her head, she's not bound by anything but her choice to go ahead and go through with this.

I don't smoke, (anything)

but the rum sounds damn good. And good thing you said the rum was 20 had you said 15 your post may have been edited.

 

[Etaski]

When a woman says no and you force yourself upon them it is rape, therefore deserving of a horrible death (or at least having to walk with a cane for the rest of your life like I did to the guy who hurt my sister 20 years ago) but in this case, I am going to go with the word...... sleazy.

Besides, I get the guy off the hook a bit, because he begins to play with her and eventually gets her into it. Takes the sting out.

We're leaning towards arruba, but its still up for some debate.

lol, relax, Mr . Lovecraft, there are plenty of such stories in Non-con. You're just fine, and no, not all stories in Non-con "expect" physically harsh treatment of women. Remember the story I told you about, the peeping tom who sneaked in to look at her panty drawer, got caught, and gave chase? He didn't hurt her.

Using blackmail, coercion, and pressure, utilizing the thrill of the hunt, and the exultation of power in exactly such business arrangements abound in the category. You're right about the category, and you're just fine, go for it.

My only thought would be that if it's "step-incest" a few might comment it should go in Incest. Or they might not. Who knows. I don't notice a lot of trolling in Non-con except for the people who probably shouldn't be reading the category. Kind of like Loving Wives, but not nearly as nasty. Other comments are just "nuts, not my type of non-con...suck." Because there are so many types.

 

[lovecraft68]

lol, relax, Mr . Lovecraft, there are plenty of such stories in Non-con. You're just fine, and no, not all stories in Non-con "expect" physically harsh treatment of women. Remember the story I told you about, the peeping tom who sneaked in to look at her panty drawer, got caught, and gave chase? He didn't hurt her.

Using blackmail, coercion, and pressure, utilizing the thrill of the hunt, and the exultation of power in exactly such business arrangements abound in the category. You're right about the category, and you're just fine, go for it.

My only thought would be that if it's "step-incest" a few might comment it should go in Incest. Or they might not. Who knows. I don't notice a lot of trolling in Non-con except for the people who probably shouldn't be reading the category. Kind of like Loving Wives, but not nearly as nasty. Other comments are just "nuts, not my type of non-con...suck." Because there are so many types.

I think you misread the first post. This isn't step incest. I was making the point that in incest I know people get upset when they read step incest, because its not real incest. I was making a point about category expectations.

I don't read much in non con. Although I do enjoy premises like the one I'm writing and the one you mentioned about the obsessed peeping tom doesn't sound so bad, I keep walking head on into the types that I don;t like and you never really know what you're getting into so I usually avoid it.

This idea stems from a role play my wife particularly enjoys. She's very driven and professional the typical work barracuda, who at home enjoys playing the demure little thing that's being taken advantage of, so I'm kind of writing this one for her.

I would imagine there's a good mix of "fans" over there in non con. I have seen a few very sick comments on some of the nastier stories that leave me disturbed, but then again I get some real beauts on my mother/son stories that make me shudder in different way.

Normally I wouldn't post in non/con, but that is where this should go, and after I finished my long incest series I told myself I would try to post in more categories. So far I've done well in Fetish, BDSM, and Mature, so this is next I guess. NH, GM, and LW are the ones I probably won't try.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

NonConsent and Reluctance are two related categories which cover a broad range of actions. I have encountered some stories which were no more than forcible rape, and others where one of the characters gave consent after mild forms of coercion were applied. Sometimes the coercion is the main part of the story, sometimes it is only referenced in passing. In short, there is no stereotypical story in this category. So long as your tag line is not misleading, you should have no problem with your story. In fact, I have posted two which you might call "soft", and neither was dinged or trolled.

 

[Etaski]

Hm, that's the most reasonable post I've seen from you on this category, Mr. Lovecraft.

And if you do more or less understand my and soflabbwlvr's posts on the different types in the category, that's a first step. I wouldn't worry about getting dinged by putting it there. Trolls could still be personal, no control over that no matter the category, but a random comment about, "Not enough reluctance for me!" is still a legitimate comment even though it mostly only means that it wasn't what the reader was looking for (big whoop, so try another). Some people interpret that as "wrong category" and post as such, but they're not correct; they just miss the subtlety of the coercion/business arrangement/blackmail types of stories.

BDSM and Non-Con both have Power Exchange in common. As long as there is a power exchange, it works.

 

[carlieplum]

It seems like it would be a perfect fit for NonCon. How is "have sex with me or I'm going to fire you for using the corporate credit card?" or "have sex with me or I'm going to show these naked pictures of you I took" different than "have sex with me or you'll spend the night in jail/lose your car/lose your apartment/etc."

Personally, I think NonCon could use something a little new and different. I can never suspend my disbelief enough not to think, "Why is this chick/dude not going to the cops?" when it's the typical blackmail-over-dirty-pictures story (especially when the pictures were taken while the blackmailee was drugged).

LC, your scenario sounds much more plausible (probably because it happens all the time in one form or another).

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Don't know if you have put the story in or not... but for my 2 cents...

Noncon covers a wide range. I had one story that I did not consider noncon at all (I put it in 'first time') and it still got shunted over. It was a story about a young female slave who was bought by a very kind and gentle master. There might have been a wee bit of nervousness and reluctance at the beginning, but it was consensual, she loved it, and she loved him.

If a wee bit of reluctance is enough to get it in noncon, then paying obviously reluctant women to have humiliating sex is definitely noncon.


Also, 'consensual' sex with forced circumstance is rape.

The idea that rape is a stranger in a hoodie and a ski mask attacking a lone woman walking home from work is erroneous. Rape is everywhere, it is by people we know, people who pay their victims, boyfriends, lovers, friends, family.

Sex without a clear 'yes' from a person who is healthy, sober, appropriately aged, and uncoerced, is not consensual sex.

 

[lovecraft68]

Don't know if you have put the story in or not... but for my 2 cents...

Noncon covers a wide range. I had one story that I did not consider noncon at all (I put it in 'first time') and it still got shunted over. It was a story about a young female slave who was bought by a very kind and gentle master. There might have been a wee bit of nervousness and reluctance at the beginning, but it was consensual, she loved it, and she loved him.

If a wee bit of reluctance is enough to get it in noncon, then paying obviously reluctant women to have humiliating sex is definitely noncon.


Also, 'consensual' sex with forced circumstance is rape.

The idea that rape is a stranger in a hoodie and a ski mask attacking a lone woman walking home from work is erroneous. Rape is everywhere, it is by people we know, people who pay their victims, boyfriends, lovers, friends, family.

Sex without a clear 'yes' from a person who is healthy, sober, appropriately aged, and uncoerced, is not consensual sex.

I'm married to a rape Councillor, she tends to disagree in this particular circumstance.

there is no force at all. It's do we have a deal or not? The girl needs money for books or she will have to admit to her asshole parents she can't cut it on her own. It's not a life or death situation. If anything what this really is, is prostitution. He's paying for sex, she's decided she'll sell the sex, she's just uncomfortable with it (and very inexperienced which is part of the reluctance, she's not sure she even knows what she's doing)

He asks her point blank, are you willing to do this, she says YES

Your opinion of course, but I'll go with the woman with the degrees on the wall in her office

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Non-Con/Reluc sounds like the right place. There is, after all, a reluctant partner. A reluctant partner who decides to continue enthusiastically was still reluctant. Some people are apparently too scarred to see the difference, but given the choices we have in categories, non-con/reluc is the choice. It certainly does not seem like BDSM, as the B S M are absent. I have read highly rated non-con/reluc stories of the style you are describing, so I would not predict backlash.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I believe NC/R is the best category, but BDSM is a close second, because of the way you describe the man taunting her as she is forced by circumstances to do something against her wishes and values. I have written several stories similar to what you describe, although there was no taunting involved. One in particular that comes to mind is Cheerleader's Audition.