Quasimodo, Quantum Mechanics and the Ether of Aristotle

[Sparky Kronkite]

Quasimodo, Quantum Mechanics and the Ether of Aristotle

What do we really know?

I don't mean "we," you and I particularly - I mostly mean the Scientists, the Physicists, the Engineers. What the hell do "they" know?

I mean, as scientifically and logically based as their/our accumulated knowledge is - it's still just theory. Right? I mean there are inexplicable holes all through this shit. Tons of'em.

Holes in theory! Holes in theory! Read those three words. Holes in theory, my ass!

So again, what the fuck do we really know?

Buppkiss!!!!

A bunch of theory with holes in it, that's what. Invisible Angelfood cake. You're told it's there but you can't see it, or feel it, or taste it. But your told it's there by "very intelligent, noted men (and women too)" - so you/we just except "the fact" that it's there.

God I hate Angelfood cake.

I know this, "the view from any position, is different from the view you get, from any other position." And it's that way for everybody - ones brains, ones intellect - it don't matter here. One thing, one hunk of mass, a volume of atoms - appears differently when viewed from different positions, different places, different points - of view. Never the same view - except from the "exact point" from which "it" was viewed before.

So - how's come - these brainy guys, these people - they form a knowledge base, a set of rules, a group expectance of view points - in order to further their work, which is filling holes in theory.

Again, those three words amaze me - holes in theory.

If these people are so fucking smart - how's come - they don't know that they can't do that. They can't do that because there are no rules - because there is no common view point - because there is no one, single observatory place where everything is seen identically by the viewer or viewers. It, that view point doesn't exist.

I say………….

Relativity is paradox! And Paradox is relativity!

And nobody - nobody that walks this big hunk of hot dirt - knows a fucking thing.

So why? Why, when the logic is so simple and obvious do they/we persist in this farce?

Smoke and God damn mirrors, smoke and God damn mirrors. That's why.

Control. Religion. Political Systems.

Control….. control…….control……. oh the humanity of it all.

Now, now - you know something. The truth.

In the end you can play their game but you don't and shouldn't believe in it - they just don't know what the fuck they're talking about. And they are out to control you. If you're not asking "them" questions - you're not participating.

Just my simple, logical, view point of this thing.

Now…….. go forth…….. eat cake.

 

[Purple Haze]

Holy mothers, Spark, have you had enough coffee today?

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

No but....

I did fill up on Kinetic Wheaties today. The Physics of good fiber in ones diet is relative to time, distance and composition of ones bowel mass. Some, they study the behavior of light - I study the behavior of the bowel. That's why I'm always full of shit.

 

[Expertise]

Sparky sometimes I get the impression that you are letting loose these diatribes from the stage of a beatnik coffee house and people are snapping there fingers in time to your rant.

Maybe i'm missing the point here, but there are some absolutes, some truth's some certainties that we know. Mathematical examples spring to mind.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Oh yeah?

What's math based upon?

And - I would like that yes - my own coffe house. Only lately I only do green tea.

Good for the bowel you know.

 

[Purple Haze]

I'm sure it's green.

 

[Expertise]

Read it all before you feel smug

Math is based on theories (what you wanted me to say right?). However only some of the theories that mathematics espouses are just that ...theory. Others are physicly provable. And if you start to question physicly provable theory then you are in to the realm of existential philosophy and that gobbledygook.

If this degenerates to the point where I have to explain that Sparky has four hot babes and Expertise takes three away from him how many does Sparky have left....

Well i'm just gonna fucking scream

 

[Jade]

God, how I love smart men!

 

[Expertise]

I would bask in the lovely Jade's admiration if I was sure she wasn't:

A) Being sarcastic
B) Talking about someone else who is actually smart

 

[KillerMuffin]

KillerMuffin puts a radical negative one in the bag and smacks Sparky with it.

This is the sum of what we know in a single mathematical allegory. Radical negative one.

Smack smack smack.

Does that help? Or should we caffineate it first?

 

[CreamyLady]

This is fascinating. Seldom has a thread done so much, so quickly, to lose me!

Congratulations, Sparky and Expertise . . . your prize is a Mandelbrot set screen saver. Shared, of course.

 

[April]

You're too modest, Ex. I'm pretty sure Jade was talking about you. I can't fathom that she might have been including Sparky. Some things I just can't believe yet.

 

[Jade]

Expertise... it is ALL you baby!

But ... sadly.. I can't have ya b/c April has already claimed ya... and I just don't think she is into Menage a trois.

Besides.. don't you owe me an email?

*sniff sniff*

 

[Cheri]

God, how I love smart men!

Right with ya baby! I especially love um when they're smarty-pants mouthy egotistical with more than a touch of maniacal attitude! Then again I can make a damn good buttermilk pancake!

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Snaked again.......

Jeesh! Expertise, the clean-up man extraordinare'. Ya know - ya do yer best - ya lay the ground work, ya turn yer back at the bar and then - boom - snatcheroo.

Oh well I still got my bowel.

 

[Aranian]

Spark's question is sort of confused, but if this isn't a thread taylored for Never, I'll eat my mousepad.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Maybe I shouldn't have smacked Sparky. Sorry, really I am. I am reallly really sorry about that.

My only excuse is that I'm eating a can of Franco American Power Rangers Galaxy Shaped Pasta with Tomato & Cheese Sauce. No meatballs either.

I promise not to smack until the next time.

*smack*

Oops. That just kinda slipped out. Sorry about that.

Bad Muffin. Bad bad bad Muffin.

 

[Jade]

Aranian... I wish you lived in Texas.

 

[Expertise]

But do you still have your watch and wallet Sparky?

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

No, I lost it all....

With visions of that Franco American stuff - lost my lunch too - oh, my aching bowel.

 

[Never]

Spark's question is sort of confused, but if this isn't a thread taylored for Never, I'll eat my mousepad.

I understood it if that's what you mean, I didn't agree with it but I understood it.
Sunky, would you go to a Doctor to have a cancer removed from your body? X-rays, surgical procedures and anesthetic were all invented or developed by scientists.

Physics know enough to create atom bombs. If you heard a nuclear warhead was an hour away from hitting your city would you walk around and mutter, 'Fools, they're just trying to control you! They don't know anything - there are holes in their theories. Go on - eat their cake!' ?

Engineers know nothing? The engineers that created the engine in your car, designed the bridge that you drive over and created the chips and bytes that allow you to spout your daily dose of nonsense on this board know nothing?

If you say so hun..

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Amen, Sistah.

Can I get a witness?

 

[Jade]

Amen, Sistah.

Can I get a witness?

Why, are you doing a strip tease?

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

SCHWING.......ZING.......

Man did you ever miss my point. Of course, through limited, logical floundering - shit becomes known - shit works - shit is invented. There are a few givens. But, but, but……

It's just that until all the holes are filled, all the holes - and there are lots of them - we really don't know shit. Okay, maybe a little shit - but not much.

When all is said and done and known - if that's ever possible - it's my strong belief that when looking back - we will find that we were barking up many a wrong tree. Therefore, those things, those rules, we hold to so strongly today will be as inane as those people who once thought the earth was flat.

Funny, we know there were lots of folks claiming that to be true - as with many other falsities that have come to fore.

To think that "we today" won't have the same degree of intellectual wrong avenues or many, many more - is preposterous.

Therefore - and this was my fucking point - you should never, ever, ever - take the rules for granted.

One person will say, "but Sparky, I cut you, you bleed." Sparky says, "True, but what if I didn't? What if you cut me but I didn't bleed? How could that happen? How could we make that happen? What if we bend that rule? Or at least try to?"

Not asking questions like that entraps one in tunnel vision - the tunnel vision of living by established rules with out question - that is not how the ultimate truth is discovered.

 

[BubbaRednek]

It's just that until all the holes are filled, all the holes - and there are lots of them - we really don't know shit. Okay, maybe a little shit - but not much.

You should snag a copy of "Physics of Conciousness" by Evan Harris Walker. (If you haven't already.) I've been reading on it for ...ummm.... a long time. It has some very interesting ideas about quantum physics, the human mind, and how the two interact to form reality. So far, it seems to be dancing around the question of whether or not that means we can change reality by our will alone, either as individuals or enmasse. The book does have some math, presented well enough so that I only had to reread it 3-4 times to understand it. <g>

One the most intriguing parts of the book was the history of physics scattered through the first half of it. The progress we've made in the last 100 years alone is amazing, but it's just the first few baby steps. The book describes most of the current theories of quantum physics and who supports them and why. It also discusses the major players that oppose them and why. There are incredibly smart people on both sides, and they still can't agree on how the universe works.

I think it's great! Don't get me wrong, I would love to know all the answers. But, what then? Not having anything else to learn would be my personal definition of Hell. Which I think, once again makes your point for you, no? Listening... thinking... questioning... learning... teaching... that's what life should be about...and sex. <g>

I think you'd probably enjoy the occasional visit to slashdot.org, too. It's where I heard about this book. The site is heavily Linux-geek biased, but the book review section has some real gems listed. The discussions about the books often have good pointers to similar titles with opposing viewpoints. Warning: Literotica trolls are babes in the woods compared to some of the nasty critters that hang out on Slashdot. That's a GOOD thing, BTW!