Puzzled and annoyed

[uksnowy]

Following my rejections and ongoing attempts to edit and re-post, I took a look in the reluctance/non-compliant sex section of stories accepted, to find out if rape is not permitted as one of mine has been rejected.

The story I chanced on was poorly written, numerous spelling errors and the punctuation not as good as mine.

Is rape not allowed?

 

[SusanJillParker]

Following my rejections and ongoing attempts to edit and re-post, I took a look in the reluctance/non-compliant sex section of stories accepted, to find out if rape is not permitted as one of mine has been rejected.

The story I chanced on was poorly written, numerous spelling errors and the punctuation not as good as mine.

Is rape not allowed?

I've written many stories with rape scenes but what start out as a rape scene must end as reluctant/consensual sex for the story to post without rejection.

I've written stories where a husband ties his wife to the bed and invites his friends to have sex with her. Even though she struggles, fights, and resists in the beginning, she ends up having a good, sexual time.

The key word in writing stories in the NonConsensual/Reluctance category are the words consensual reluctance. If you begin with a rape scene, end it as a story of reluctance and even consensual.

Good luck.

 

[lovecraft68]

Lit has a non consent/reluctance category which common sense would tell you that they allow rape

However going by the deliberately vague rules on the subject what lit seems to really want is reluctance, but also dub-con or dubious consent. At some point the victim is supposed to begin to enjoy it or was enjoying it all along as it was really some kind of game or dream or movie scene...you get the point.

The answer I gave above is pretty much what you'll be told here by people either going by the word of the site or flat out suck ups.

The real answer is rape as well as the infamous underage is rampant on this site because the site knows people do enjoy reading those fantasies. They say they don't want it, but let everything fly through, blocking an occasional story(like yours) to look good, but mostly everything goes until a reader reports it then it becomes

"How did that get there?"

Then they will pull it. One story recently was just reported after being on the site-and atop list with thousands of votes-for four years. Worth adding the author is never given the courtesy of being notified of the story being removed.

The rules are put in place only to have an excuse to pull a story when a reader is offended. If it were more than that they wold be more seriously screened. So basically Lit wants to be seen as having some 'standards' but also wants the stories here for the audience that wants them. These aren't rules, they are having the cake and eating it to.

People can come here and dispute that and lick the sites boots and argue the point but what it comes down to is if this site did not want rape there would not be a non consent section(see Lush stories who does not allow rape and only has a reluctance category) and if they did not want under age terms like budding breasts wouldn't be allowed and when someone shows countless under age stories in a thread it would be taken seriously.

So there is your non PC, but honest answer.

 

[Handley_Page]

Following my rejections and ongoing attempts to edit and re-post, I took a look in the reluctance/non-compliant sex section of stories accepted, to find out if rape is not permitted as one of mine has been rejected.

The story I chanced on was poorly written, numerous spelling errors and the punctuation not as good as mine.

Is rape not allowed?

NO
There's a bit of a fine line in Non-Consent, perhaps, but since Rape is a real crime. . . .

 

[HandsInTheDark]

In my experience, Laurel will reject anything that even hints at underage. My favorite example was a succubus, thousands of years old, who transformed into a "young woman". I didn't give an age (the reader wasn't supposed to know what she was until the end) and painted her as lithe, inexperienced and innocent. It got bounced straight back. Small tweaks got it back though and I was able to avoid the dreaded "this is Susie and she's 18 today!" that makes my skin crawl in other stories.

Noncon is a bizarre category. When 4 out of 10 women report having regular rape fantasies, you'd think the site would be awash with hard-core rape. Other sites are. But Laurel is, I think, trying to make this place a little classier than the competition. So the rules are vague, and seem to amount to:

1) the victim has to end up liking it, or learning to like it.
2) but if she's more kind of enslaved by it and gets off to it, AND the story is very well written with good intergration of plot, etc, it may make it though.

Which in turn seems to reduce to:

1) If Laurel is squicked by the meanness of it - if it looks like nothing but mindless male adolescent rape fantasy - back it goes.

As "squick" is a fuzzy boundary, results are inconsistent.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

NO
There's a bit of a fine line in Non-Consent, perhaps, but since Rape is a real crime. . . .

There's nothing wrong with writing about real crimes. Criminality is not the issue in deciding any story here, the place even supports some amount of what could pass as hate speech (in the General Board.)

 

[uksnowy]

Thanks everyone.
My story "Taking the Piss", remains. The story line ends with the rapist committing suicide. He knew he was wrong. I still think it stands good.

 

[PervOtaku]

It's one of the rules that is frequently repeated in the forum but not really to be found anywhere official.

Rape is okay here only if the victim likes it in the end.

 

[SamScribble]

Snowy, are you sure that this is the site on which you want be posting? There are others, I'm given to understand.

 

[uksnowy]

A rape victim liking it???Come on.

I have been in ASSTR for years and anything goes there, but this is where I want to be. I am editing works in there to submit here.

 

[ChloeTzang]

A rape victim liking it???Come on.

I have been in ASSTR for years and anything goes there, but this is where I want to be. I am editing works in there to submit here.

ASSTR have their "anything goes" philosophy. LIT is a little more restrictive. Thats the
way it works and you write here, you live with the rules. Its the same as with no under 18 sexual activity. Site rule. It is what it is. We all know reality is different but until LIT changes the rules...

 

[lovecraft68]

A rape victim liking it???Come on.

I have been in ASSTR for years and anything goes there, but this is where I want to be. I am editing works in there to submit here.

I agree...its absurd, especially when most stories here have the woman raped for 10 thousand words than the last twenty its "Oh, I love it"

Again there are two solutions.

1-get rid of non consent and call it reluctance and actually kick out all pure rapes stories

2-For lit to stop lying through their teeth and admit they are perfectly fine with rape content. Its not like its illegal, its just this game they play to try to pretend to be better than other sites.

 

[lovecraft68]

ASSTR have their "anything goes" philosophy. LIT is a little more restrictive. Thats the way it works and you write here, you live with the rules. Its the same as with no under 18 sexual activity. Site rule. It is what it is.

No, lit wants you to think they are. They're not. They just want you to wrap it up pretty on the outside to fool people. Example. Don't say your character is 14...but let them talk like a child and describe their bodies as under developed and that's fine.

Lit is an easter egg, they paint themselves pretty, but the content is rotten on the inside.

Not all of it mind you, most people here aren't writing that type of material anyway, but their 'rules' should be summed by a picture of a person going "shhhh" and winking

 

[uksnowy]

Thanks for these constructive comments.

 

[SusanJillParker]

No, lit wants you to think they are. They're not. They just want you to wrap it up pretty on the outside to fool people. Example. Don't say your character is 14...but let them talk like a child and describe their bodies as under developed and that's fine.

Lit is an easter egg, they paint themselves pretty, but the content is rotten on the inside.

Not all of it mind you, most people here aren't writing that type of material anyway, but their 'rules' should be summed by a picture of a person going "shhhh" and winking

Beautifully well written. I concur.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

We all know reality is different but until LIT changes the rules...

It's obvious that that's never happening. As far as I can tell, Lit is popular because it's relatively female-friendly compared to other erotica sites. Probably because it's run by a female.

There's a sizable percentage of women who have occasional rape fantasies. Some were young rape victims, some are women who have never had sex and want someone else to decide when it happens, some are married women with too-nice husbands... I've spoken to enough college women to know that "drug me and use me" is a common starting point for jill time. Some of it is more like reluctance, some is hard-core noncon, but it's a very, very real turn-on that many women don't discuss with their friends (but will sometimes admit to strangers online, which is how I came to understand it.).

Laurel clearly knows this and markets to that audience. What she seems to be trying to do is allow rape fantasy that appeals to females, while blocking the psychotic forms of the fantasies that for some males are the only hot form of sexuality; the guys who would be actual rapists if it wasn't for some physical issue or just enough fear of the consequences to keep them in line. You can always tell when you read something written by these guys - the squick factor goes off the charts. That squick factor is what Laurel goes by, I'm convinced. It's why I've never had a non-con story rejected here, and some guys get rejected quite a lot.

Yes, the written rule is more restrictive than Laurel's actual decisions. But that gives her freedom to accept the stuff that keeps the site going while still rejecting the trash; and the site is still here and wildly popular, so it's hard to argue her choices have been bad.

There's other inconsistencies. The site says everyone has to be 18 to be here. There's zero attempt at enforcement and it's obvious there's a large underage readership, but as long as they don't make accounts and interact until they are 18, it's invisible and ignored. Of course it is. Get someone hooked in their teens and they'll be lifelong customers. That doesn't just work for tobacco companies.

It's not worth going on about. Look at the advertising Lit has. It's nothing special, basically the bottom-feeders of the advertising world. My guess is Lit doesn't pull in a lot of money, enough to support a couple people. Laurel's got a strategy that keeps her fed and employed and she has zero interest is changing her game, because her game works, and tightening or loosening the rules might make it stop working.

Leave it alone, is my advice. The rules are a messy balancing act, but it's working to date.

 

[OliverC]

Thanks for that Hands..... well said. I have been writing here since 2002, and while some standards, such as the "18" rule have remained, apparently, unchanged, others seem to have evolved. I remember, quite clearly, reading a deeply disturbing, if ultimately erotic, "story" written by a woman here all those years ago who described an horrific rape during which she actually had orgasms.
I became friends (or at least Lit Buddies) with her and subsequently learned it was all true, written at the suggestion of her Psychologist to help her deal with it. Her story was disturbing on many levels, not the least being seemingly perpetuating a myth embraced by rapists. But it was a profound and powerful piece of erotic literature. And it was HER story.

I am sure, from the above, that this sort of story would not be allowed today under the standards you described. I leave it y'all on whether that is good thing or not....

 

[CoffeeWithMonkeys]

Thanks everyone.
My story "Taking the Piss", remains. The story line ends with the rapist committing suicide. He knew he was wrong. I still think it stands good.

I'm interested in reading this because a few years ago I wrote a rape story and the rapist killed himself because he realized what he did was wrong, and he was never going to be with the girl, especially now.

Off to find your story so I can read it!

 

[OmnislashXX]

This is kind pretty useful information, considering the yarn I'm writing currently. The female character is supposed to be trying everything she can to stave off the perverted attempts of the male character who wishes to steal her virtue, trying to ignore the fact that she's actually enjoying herself. I really couldn't see myself writing it though unless the sex ended up being enjoyable for both of them, but the initial forceful nature left me wondering if it would be the kind of story that would be accepted here.

 

[Paul_Chance]

From now on I am going to consult the Chicago Manual of Squick.

 

[CoffeeWithMonkeys]

It's one of the rules that is frequently repeated in the forum but not really to be found anywhere official.

Rape is okay here only if the victim likes it in the end.

I've read Snowy's rape story that is posted here and no the victim did not like it in the end. So did it slip through maybe?

 

[Handley_Page]

I've read Snowy's rape story that is posted here and no the victim did not like it in the end. So did it slip through maybe?

Does any victim like it in the end - ever ?

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Does any victim like it in the end - ever ?

In stories, which is what's under discussion here? All the time.

In the real world, which is an entirely different topic? In an outright rape, no, not to my knowledge, but I've spoken to a few women who were raped at a young age, and now find that rape and violence are the only things that get them off. But I doubt that's what you mean.

In the real world, in night time fantasies? Yes, that's a thing. I also talked once to someone who would fantasize about rape, fantasize that it was degrading and violent and she hated it and was left to cry afterwards... and then she got off on that thought.

Sexuality is complicated.

 

[CoffeeWithMonkeys]

Does any victim like it in the end - ever ?

Yes I was discussing stories posted here, and the OP's in particular.
It's a graphic rape scene and the victim never enjoys any of it.

And Snowy you had mentioned in a post here that the rapist commits suicide in the end, but either you left that part out of your story, or I misunderstood something because after the rape scene the story had one small paragraph, then it ended abruptly.

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Dollie

Does any victim like it in the end - ever ?

As an early teen victim............................ NO!