Putin: I'm done with this "tragedy"; let's end the war in Ukraine.

[RoryN]

Breaking.

Putin says he is ready to end war as fighting with Ukraine is 'tragedy".​

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Moscow is ready to end the war in Ukraine, branding it a "tragedy".

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1837895/putin-ready-to-end-war-ukraine-zelensky

 

[ll74]

Very general. I wonder what his demands will be.

Also, interesting timing with the BRICS summit. I wonder if Xi whipped his ass into gear.

 

[ll74]

I'm sure ReichGad will tell us all that this is exactly what he said would be the outcome.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Long time ago I came across a mic-drop Tweet by a woman that said, "people die every day simply because a man didn't get his way."

How many people died, how many lives got ruined and how much environment got trashed just for that motherfucker to say now that he's had enough?

If the Russians have any balls, they'd hang that bastard, town square style.

 

[coati]

Putin's full of shit. I don't believe he has any sincerity about ending the war unless he can make huge territorial gains.

 

[Lazaran]

Putin's full of shit. I don't believe he has any sincerity about ending the war unless he can make huge territorial gains.

Trusting anything Putin says is like trusting anything the corrupt orange traitor or Hamas leaders say

*nods*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This is not the first time Putin has said something like this. His military is stretched thin, he has been taking troops from the middle east, leaving that area depleted since he has lost in combat over 50% of his experienced soldiers in Ukraine. They are recording over 1k KIA a day in Ukraine right now.

He needs a pause to recoup his arms and train new soldiers. Ukraine is nuts to accept anything but a full withdrawal back to the Budapest agreed borders.

 

[Chobham]

Very general. I wonder what his demands will be.

Also, interesting timing with the BRICS summit. I wonder if Xi whipped his ass into gear.

I think we can start with immunity from war crimes prosecution.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Experience with Putin should tell anyone that if he’s talking peace it’s because he’s planning war.

 

[ll74]

I think we can start with immunity from war crimes prosecution.

Nobody prosecutes war crimes.

 

[LLCox]

meh... not yet

 

[ishtat]

Politicians can agree whatever they like. Whatever gets signed will be ignored, because the visceral hatred of Ukranians for Russians which has existed since Stalin's holodimor famine of 1932-35 has been thoroughly stoked by Putin. The killing will continue indefinitely, smaller scale but it will not stop.

 

[jaF0]

Nobody prosecutes war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_trial#Ad_hoc_tribunals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court#Trial_history_to_date

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[Chobham]

Politicians can agree whatever they like. Whatever gets signed will be ignored, because the visceral hatred of Ukranians for Russians which has existed since Stalin's holodimor famine of 1932-35 has been thoroughly stoked by Putin. The killing will continue indefinitely, smaller scale but it will not stop.

This is true, and the reason that so many Ukrainians fought with the Germans and are now called Nazi's. They aren't Nazi's, just a people that hate the Russians.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Ukraine’s counter offensive was a bust. Winter is setting in. Russia controls about 17% of the country. Ukraine is now competing with Israel for international military aid. The US waffled over what type and range of offensive weapons to deliver in the early stages of the invasion, and Congress is divided on policy and aid. Putin’s political position inside Russia was boosted by the Wagner’s failed insurrection. He’s willing to wear down Ukrainian forces indefinitely. He isn’t giving up an inch of soil without major concessions that include further annexations and effectively make Ukraine a puppet state.

 

[Lazaran]

Ukraine’s counter offensive was a bust. Winter is setting in. Russia controls about 17% of the country. Ukraine is now competing with Israel for international military aid. The US waffled over what type and range of offensive weapons to deliver in the early stages of the invasion, and Congress is divided on policy and aid. Putin’s political position inside Russia was boosted by the Wagner’s failed insurrection. He’s willing to wear down Ukrainian forces indefinitely. He isn’t giving up an inch of soil without major concessions that include further annexations and effectively make Ukraine a puppet state.

America’s enemy, Putin and Russia, thank BabyBoobs for their aid and comfort, and their propagation of Putin’s and Russia’s propaganda.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Ukraine’s counter offensive was a bust.

It wasn't a "bust". They did try at the onset to have a quick mobilised assault designed to pierce the lines of defence,but they learned very quickly this type of attack requires air superiority,or at least air pairity with the Russians The Ukraines lack this capability, and so changed their plans. Since then they have been systematically eliminating Russia's dominance in Helicopters,mainly the K57. Those have been reduced from 150 down to around 57. They have also been going after the Migs but have less successes.

Winter is setting in. Russia controls about 17% of the country.

Which is much less than Russia controlled in February of 2022.

Ukraine is now competing with Israel for international military aid.

True,but the EU has stated they will up their share to Ukraine.

The US waffled over what type and range of offensive weapons to deliver in the early stages of the invasion,

No only waffled,but also prevented other countries from delivering aircraft. Major fuck up by Biden.

and Congress is divided on policy and aid.

Congress is divided on EVERTHING, and you're part of the division.

Putin’s political position inside Russia was boosted by the Wagner’s failed insurrection.

ummm no it wasn't. His "political position" with the people was never an issue, it was his command over his military underlings that was the issue. He has since eliminated the "competition".

He’s willing to wear down Ukrainian forces indefinitely.

Yet Putin is still throwing men and equipment in WW1 type attacks around Advika. Hell he lost 1190 soldiers yesterday alone in an infantry only attack. Putin has an almost unlimited personnel supply,but his ability to train and equip and soon even pay those assets will become problematic. He'd be completely fucked if North Korea hadn't sent him 1000 train cars of equipment.

He isn’t giving up an inch of soil without major concessions that include further annexations and effectively make Ukraine a puppet state.

He'll get nothing for his efforts except a ruined military and economy if the West keeps up its support. That is a cheap price to pay to get rid of one of the worlds most destabilising presence. But you don't seem to see it that way, and would rather let Ukraine get swallowed back up into a renewed version of the old USSR.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

America’s enemy, Putin and Russia, thank BabyBoobs for their aid and comfort, and their propagation of Putin’s and Russia’s propaganda.

JFC

SAD!!!

I support US aid to Ukraine. I’m critical of the administration’s fear of escalation which has resulted in a failure to deliver the right weaponry at the right time. The situation I described is irrefutable. If you think Putin is going to peacefully withdraw from Ukraine anytime soon, you’re wrong.

 

[Bn2f]

David Rothkopf: “We’ve spent 40 billion, a tiny fraction of our 800 billion dollar defense budget, and we’ve destroyed half of the Russian army.
This tiny US investment has probably advanced our national security interests more than any other in the past 80 years.”

Putin is no fool. Denying Ukraine aid is in his interest and do nothing republicans in the House and a willing agent potentially being president best serve his purpose more than anything else. Hinting at a ceasefire aims to cool calls from NATO allies for more aid and suppresses/delays House republicans addressing the Israel/Ukraine Biden aid package.

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I support US aid to Ukraine. I’m critical of the administration’s fear of escalation which has resulted in a failure to deliver the right weaponry at the right time. The situation I described is irrefutable. If you think Putin is going to peacefully withdraw from Ukraine anytime soon, you’re wrong.

I agree with everything you said in this post. So why did you post the other one, the one that makes you look like you support Putin?

 

[Lazaran]

It wasn't a "bust". They did try at the onset to have a quick mobilised assault designed to pierce the lines of defence,but they learned very quickly this type of attack requires air superiority,or at least air pairity with the Russians The Ukraines lack this capability, and so changed their plans. Since then they have been systematically eliminating Russia's dominance in Helicopters,mainly the K57. Those have been reduced from 150 down to around 57. They have also been going after the Migs but have less successes.

Which is much less than Russia controlled in February of 2022.

True,but the EU has stated they will up their share to Ukraine.

No only waffled,but also prevented other countries from delivering aircraft. Major fuck up by Biden.

Congress is divided on EVERTHING, and you're part of the division.

ummm no it wasn't. His "political position" with the people was never an issue, it was his command over his military underlings that was the issue. He has since eliminated the "competition".

Yet Putin is still throwing men and equipment in WW1 type attacks around Advika. Hell he lost 1190 soldiers yesterday alone in an infantry only attack. Putin has an almost unlimited personnel supply,but his ability to train and equip and soon even pay those assets will become problematic. He'd be completely fucked if North Korea hadn't sent him 1000 train cars of equipment.

He'll get nothing for his efforts except a ruined military and economy if the West keeps up its support. That is a cheap price to pay to get rid of one of the worlds most destabilising presence. But you don't seem to see it that way, and would rather let Ukraine get swallowed back up into a renewed version of the old USSR.

The only thing I disagree with is your concession that President Biden didn’t provide advanced weapons systems fast enough.

People forget that at the beginning of the war there were real questions about Ukraine’s ability or determination to fight the Russians. - Once the Ukrainians demonstrated both, the more advanced weapons systems began being approved in an orderly manner so the Ukrainian military could digest the information necessary to operate them efficiently and effectively.

It would have been a mistake on many levels to flood Ukraine with those advanced weapons systems early in the war. In the beginning, Ukraine needed air defense systems, anti-tank /anti- armor offensive weapons systems, artillery, and intelligence support. The U.S. and other Ukrainian allies provided all of that fairly early on.

What Ukraine needed initially, to defend, is different from what they NOW need to attack. The Ukrainians are NOW in a better position to attack, and they should be even more proficient in the use of those more advanced weapons systems in the coming year.

This next year is critically important., which is why military assistance for Ukraine should be increased NOW. Of course, Putin’s "republican" operatives in the House of Representatives and Putin’s orange puppet are doing everything in their power to assure that Ukraine doesn’t receive that critical military assistance NOW.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The only thing I disagree with is your concession that President Biden didn’t provide advanced weapons systems fast enough.

While you may not agree with my opinion, and I'll also agree hindsight is 20/20. But there is no doubt that Putin had made enough "red line" claims to use Nukes prior, that the West knew it was a bluff tactic. So that green lighting transfers of air planes to Ukraine 6-8 months ago would have helped to give the counter offensive the real punch it needed, with the full knowledge Putin would not have gone Nuclear.

Biden isn't perfect ( no leader ever is) he made a mistake. Other leaders wanted to make the weapons available, Biden kiboshed it. Much like Germany at the onset kiboshed the release of Leopards. It is the Poles who were right, maybe because they have been dealing with Putin longer and have the next target on their back.

People forget that at the beginning of the war there were real questions about Ukraine’s ability or determination to fight the Russians. - Once the Ukrainians demonstrated both, the more advanced weapons systems began being approved in an orderly manner so the Ukrainian military could digest the information necessary to operate them efficiently and effectively.

It would have been a mistake on many levels to flood Ukraine with those advanced weapons systems early in the war. In the beginning, Ukraine needed air defense systems, anti-tank /anti- armor offensive weapons systems, artillery, and intelligence support. The U.S. and other Ukrainian allies provided all of that fairly early on.

What Ukraine needed initially, to defend, is different from what they NOW need to attack. The Ukrainians are NOW in a better position to attack, and they should be even more proficient in the use of those more advanced weapons systems in the coming year.

This next year is critically important., which is why military assistance for Ukraine should be increased NOW. Of course, Putin’s "republican" operatives in the House of Representatives and Putin’s orange puppet are doing everything in their power to assure that Ukraine doesn’t receive that critical military assistance NOW.

JFC

SAD!!!

I agree with the doubts at the beginning, but by April of 2022 Ukraine had already shown the capacity and more important the ability to win. By September/October of 2022 Putin had made enough bluffs to show that the West can basically supply any weapon to Ukraine we are willing to risk having Russia get an intact version of to study, and that supplying them will not cause Russia to use weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Bn2f]

I support US aid to Ukraine. I’m critical of the administration’s fear of escalation which has resulted in a failure to deliver the right weaponry at the right time. The situation I described is irrefutable. If you think Putin is going to peacefully withdraw from Ukraine anytime soon, you’re wrong.

In the gracious spirit of giving thanks, I believe that many of the posting conservatives/RW's here should thank you. Many times, you are able to condense their crazy into a more easily digestible and understandable message. It's still a crazy, though, and your hang wringing post here highlights the struggle of a party that, for most our lifetimes, was more than eager to use United States military might (and even today would advocate using against migrants and people seeking asylum) now pivoting on foreign policy into peacenik hippies.

 

[Lazaran]

I agree with everything you said in this post. So why did you post the other one, the one that makes you look like you support Putin?

Because BabyBoobs DOES support Putin’s and Russia’s "success" in Ukraine. - It hurts President Biden’s re-election chances.

Ultimately, President Biden must be doing something right with his military foreign strategy (including the pace of approving advanced weapons systems) for Ukraine, because Ukraine is still standing and taking back territory , Russia hasn’t "nuked" Ukraine as they threatened to do, and NATO is expanding.

Also:

The exit from Afghanistan has allowed the U.S. to focus on Russia, China, Iran, and their proxies. - That was a difficult but necessary decision by President Biden.

Related:

Russia had a hand in the October 7th Hamas attack and recently hosted Hamas leaders in Moscow. - It’s all interconnected, which only strengthens the argument for more military aid for Ukraine (and Israel) NOW.



Slava Ukraini

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Because BabyBoobs DOES support Putin’s and Russia’s "success" in Ukraine. - It hurts President Biden’s re-election chances.

That could be, he toes the RWCJ policies pretty regular, and is the leader of the Hunter Biden cheerleading squad.

Ultimately, President Biden must be doing something right with his military foreign strategy (including the pace of approving advanced weapons systems) for Ukraine, because Ukraine is still standing and taking back territory , Russia hasn’t "nuked" Ukraine as they threatened to do, and NATO is expanding.

Again I never said Biden did everything wrong, he just was wrong on the aircraft.He may well have been worried about the technological transfer issue due to loses.I don't know the inside thinking in the decision. But it was a major mistake to let Ukraine launch the counter offensive without air support. Maybe they felt Russia would collapse and run away again?
Lets not forget, Ukraine was asking for aircraft, long before they asked for tanks. Zelinskky knew from the onset where he was weak militarily speaking.

Russia had a hand in the October 7th Hamas attack and recently hosted Hamas leaders in Moscow. - It’s all interconnected, which only strengthens the argument for more military aid for Ukraine (and Israel) NOW.



Slava Ukraini

I prefer to keep Ukraine and Israel as separate issues. While you're correct Russia has it's fingers in the middle east too, the situations are completely different and require different approaches on needs, gets what, and the whys.