Pushin' the limits

[welfare mom]

So what do you erotica authors do: when somethin is pushin' the limits? I mean underage sex, s&m fantasies, that sort of thing. fuck the editors, or what?

 

[TheEarl]

So what do you erotica authors do: when somethin is pushin' the limits? I mean underage sex, s&m fantasies, that sort of thing. fuck the editors, or what?

S&M fantasies, the rules are fairly laissez faire. With underage sex, the rules are very clear cut - under 18 and it's not coming on the site. Even though that's two years older than the legal age in my country, I'm fully in support; Lit doesn't need to give the Bible-bashers any excuse to try and shut it down.

The Earl

 

[Colleen Thomas]

So what do you erotica authors do: when somethin is pushin' the limits? I mean underage sex, s&m fantasies, that sort of thing. fuck the editors, or what?

Welcome to the Ah.

Depends on the limits you are pushing. Some are pretty set in stone, such as the age limit or beastiality. Some are more nebulous, particularly with the erotic horror cat. Sometimes I will push my own limits, as in writing something hetero or trying anew genre. I rarely attempt to push the limits imposed by the site, although some do.

 

[Stella_Omega]

So what do you erotica authors do: when somethin is pushin' the limits? I mean underage sex, s&m fantasies, that sort of thing. fuck the editors, or what?

S&M doesn't push the limits here
Underage sex won't get published here, period. That's just the way it is- there have been many threads discussing the issue.

It's all good!

 

[NoJo]

So what do you erotica authors do: when somethin is pushin' the limits? I mean underage sex, s&m fantasies, that sort of thing. fuck the editors, or what?

If your story is rejected, you'll usually get a brief explanation of why. The only one that seems to be a problem is underage sex, which would give ammunition to people who'd like to see Literotica closed down.

If you want to write underage sex, there are other sites where this restriction doesn't apply.

 

[LadyJeanne]

So what do you erotica authors do: when somethin is pushin' the limits? I mean underage sex, s&m fantasies, that sort of thing. fuck the editors, or what?

There aren't any editors, unless you seek one out. Laurel and Manu approve and publish, or reject, but they don't edit.

We respect their rules because it's their site, and as The Earl said, we want to make sure it stays up and running.

 

[Rattlesnake1775]

Editors?

Forget the editors! What about the lunatics that actually vote? What do they want? I have a very select audience of one that I write for, that being my wife. But I post my stories here for the general enjoyment and to get feedback to become a better writer. I've had one story rejected, and rightfully so, so I edited it a bit and it went through. So I will agree that the 18 age limit is firm, and I again agree that it should be.

I'm not going to get on the "loving wives" soapbox again, but I mean seriously?!? What is up with those freaks? How can you leave a comment saying "very well written story, but I always vote zero for cheating wives". What kind of sense does that make?!?

 

[Guest]

What if I was writing a story about Ken and Barbie you know the dolls and stuff and Ken and Barbie were having butt sex when Skipper you know Barbies little sister and stuff walks in on them and ken wants her to suck on his willie and stuff but Skipper is sposed to only be 12 and stuff but I had all my Barbie dolls when I was a little girl so there all more than 20 years old and stuff even though they dont look any older cept maybe their clothes are dirtier and stuff but would that be a bad thing?

Debbie

 

[Guest]

What if I was writing a story about Ken and Barbie you know the dolls and stuff and Ken and Barbie were having butt sex when Skipper you know Barbies little sister and stuff walks in on them and ken wants her to suck on his willie and stuff but Skipper is sposed to only be 12 and stuff but I had all my Barbie dolls when I was a little girl so there all more than 20 years old and stuff even though they dont look any older cept maybe their clothes are dirtier and stuff but would that be a bad thing?

Debbie

Ken doesn't have a "willie", he only has a bump.

 

[Guest]

Ken doesn't have a "willie", he only has a bump.

Well I used a peg from my lite-brite and stuff.

Debbie

 

[Guest]

Well I used a peg from my lite-brite and stuff.

Debbie

very ingenious!

 

[LadyJeanne]

Well I used a peg from my lite-brite and stuff.

Debbie

 

[Pure]

it's certainly been done, to 'push the limits' re any number of things, from bestiality to underage sex. on the latter, some stories convey 'youth' and youthful characteristics, but just don't specify.

OTOH, the wisdom of slipping stuff past the "editors" (owners) is up for question. If there is stuff, which closely inspected, can be called 'sex with minors', putting it on the site has risks to the site, where you are a guest. if it's not shooting yourself in the foot, it's certainly doing so to others' feet!

 

[lil_elvis]

The beastiality rule can be bent if you involve mythical creatures (dragons, werewolves and the like), but no dogs, sheep, etc.

Not my cuppa in either case, just trying to clarify.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

One more word about "underage" sex.

I've written, submitted, and had accepted a story (Burying Uncle Hiram's Ghost - Incest) that included underage incestuous sex. I even left a note to Laurel about the situation.

Perhaps the reason it was accepted was my only referring to the act instead of discribing it. The plot involved the adult victim's struggle with her uncle who committed the act and was threatening to do the same to her kid sister.

It's still one of my lowest scoring stories, but I'm kinda proud of the old thing.

Welcome to the AH, Mom (may I call you, Mom?)

Rumple Foreskin

 

[BlackShanglan]

Rumple makes a good point - you can generally refer to underage sex briefly if it is not detailed, graphic, or overly specific. That is, a character can state that s/he had sex at the age of 15, but can't go into a description of it that appears designed to titillate rather than convey the factual information.

I was pleased to discover that the "mythical creature" category is fairly flexible. They accepted a story from me in which the central character is a physically completely normal horse who was born with human intelligence (as the offspring of plain ordinary horses / in a fictional setting in which all other horses have normal horse intelligence).

 

[NoJo]

I was pleased to discover that the "mythical creature" category is fairly flexible. They accepted a story from me in which the central character is a physically completely normal horse who was born with human intelligence (as the offspring of plain ordinary horses / in a fictional setting in which all other horses have normal horse intelligence).

That's a great idea. And of course you were just the one to write it.

I read a great book by Olaf Stapledon called "Sirius", about a Border Collie with high intelligence, high enough that it could articulate (using a sort of "doggie typewriter", I think). But what made the story thought-provoking was that "Sirius" remained completely canine. It was a story about what it's like to be a dog. (Smelly -- apparently dogs sense of smell really is 1,000 times more powerful than a human's, and they have "stereo" smell -- they can locate smells in two dimensions. A sort of ghostly cloudy olfactory world superimposed on the audiovisual one. Amazing. I'd like to be a dog for a day).

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I only came up against the age rule once, and that was recently, and it was a crusher.

It involved my original story for this year's Xmas contest, a true story of something that happened between me and the girl who took my virginity when I was 17 and she was 18. I had it in my mind somehow that only the girl had to be 18 and so I went and worked on the story for a few days, and it was pretty good. Then I went and read the rules to make sure, and I was crushed.

I tired to redo the story, but you know, the things you do and feel when you're 18 are not the same as when you're 17, and things that are sweet and understandable at one age are kind of gross and juvenile at the other. Besides, I had to maintain the fact that she was a year ahead of me in high school, and a year older, which made her a 19 year-old senior and me an 18 year-old junior and I just couldn't pull that off.

I'm not a fan of underage sex, but this was a coming-of-age story and the ages were as important as the sex. It was a good story too, and true, and important to me. I understand the age limits and why they have to be respcted, but it was just too bad.

So I'm sticking to pedophiliac bestiality from now on. I won't dwell on the fact that my hero's a Great Dane though. I'll just mention the fact in passing.

 

[NoJo]

I only came up against the age rule once, and that was recently, and it was a crusher.

It involved my original story for this year's Xmas contest, a true story of something that happened between me and the girl who took my virginity when I was 17 and she was 18. I had it in my mind somehow that only the girl had to be 18 and so I went and worked on the story for a few days, and it was pretty good. Then I went and read the rules to make sure, and I was crushed.

I tired to redo the story, but you know, the things you do and feel when you're 18 are not the same as when you're 17, and things that are sweet and understandable at one age are kind of gross and juvenile at the other. Besides, I had to maintain the fact that she was a year ahead of me in high school, and a year older, which made her a 19 year-old senior and me an 18 year-old junior and I just couldn't pull that off.

I'm not a fan of underage sex, but this was a coming-of-age story and the ages were as important as the sex. It was a good story too, and true, and important to me. I understand the age limits and why they have to be respcted, but it was just too bad.

So I'm sticking to pedophiliac bestiality from now on. I won't dwell on the fact that my hero's a Great Dane though. I'll just mention the fact in passing.

My first story here (awful) was similar. It didn't add to my self-confidence as a newbie writer that it was rejected for that reason.

By the way, have you tried Googling the girl and asking her for your virginity back? I did that with someone who never returned a record I lent to them twenty years ago.

 

[Pure]

hi dr.,

vagueness: "I was several months past 18, and she was younger than I." "I considered myself an adult, but she was less mature."

It is too bad, pending court cases, that 'coming of age' stories are not allowed because of possible legal complications. Also, dr., there is the slippery slope: you say, 18 and 17; and the next guy wants 17.5 and 17; the next, 17 and 16. As you know, some people 'came of age' at 9 years old.

 

[welfare mom]

0I tired to redo the story, but you know, the things you do and feel when you're 18 are not the same as when you're 17, and things that are sweet and understandable at one age are kind of gross and juvenile at the other. Besides, I had to maintain the fact that she was a year ahead of me in high school, and a year older, which made her a 19 year-old senior and me an 18 year-old junior and I just couldn't pull that off.

omg, you are so right on. Doctor. (may I call you Doctor), what was it that made the *underage* sex soch an essential part of the story?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

My first story here (awful) was similar. It didn't add to my self-confidence as a newbie writer that it was rejected for that reason.

By the way, have you tried Googling the girl and asking her for your virginity back? I did that with someone who never returned a record I lent to them twenty years ago.

Yeah, I did get in touch with her again. Since she was older than me at the time (a year seems like an age when you're 17), I'd assumed she was an experienced woman who'd seduced me. Turns out she'd been a virgin too and I hadn't even known it. It was kind of incredible.

I sent her an earlier version of the story and she said that I was being too hard on myself for being such a doofus, but i never told her about that vrginity thing. You don't want to tell someone you took their cherry and didn't even notice.

 

[BlackSnake]

So what do you erotica authors do: when somethin is pushin' the limits? I mean underage sex, s&m fantasies, that sort of thing. fuck the editors, or what?

Never say fuck the editors. You'll go no where fast.

I think its best to leave that type of thing in the minds and imagination of the readers. The only thing you'll get is rejected.

 

[BlackSnake]

One more word about "underage" sex.

I've written, submitted, and had accepted a story (Burying Uncle Hiram's Ghost - Incest) that included underage incestuous sex. I even left a note to Laurel about the situation.

Perhaps the reason it was accepted was my only referring to the act instead of discribing it. The plot involved the adult victim's struggle with her uncle who committed the act and was threatening to do the same to her kid sister.

It's still one of my lowest scoring stories, but I'm kinda proud of the old thing.

Welcome to the AH, Mom (may I call you, Mom?)

Rumple Foreskin

That sounds like a story I'd like. Does it involve realistic mind fuck?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

omg, you are so right on. Doctor. (may I call you Doctor), what was it that made the *underage* sex soch an essential part of the story?

It was the second time I'd been with her, at a Christmas party me and my friends were having, and she was graduating in January (they used to do that in those days) while I still had a year and half of HS to go. I was a kid and had a kid's attitude towards sex--lots of fun, no strings attached.

She was drinking a lot and got pretty drunk, and after the party we made love in the basement of our apartment building, and afterwards she suddenly started crying. All her fears came out, about graduating, leaving high school, leaving me (I think), and all these adult things that had never occurred to me. She needed to be loved and comforted, not just fucked, and I didn't know what to do. I suddenly realized there was a lot more to sex than I'd imagined, that it wasn't all fun and games.

It was a terrible, bitterly cold night, and I took her home on the bus after 1 AM. She was still kind of drunk and we didn't talk much. While we were waiting for another bus, she suddenly pointed across the street and collapsed into tears. I looked, and saw a stray cat running across the frozen yards in that terrible cold, and the girl clung to me and sobbed and said, "I don't want to be like that. Please, don't ever let me be like that!"

I didn't know what to say. She was scaring me. The things she was afraid of were scaring me. I'd never thought about loneliness before, that it might be something I'd have to deal with. I'd never really considerd that the adult world might be a cold and loveless place.

I dropped her off at her house but was too frightened to stay, so like an idiot I started walking home 2 miles in that cold--no buses, not a car on the street, not a light on in a house. I was haunted by visions of that cat, wondering what would happen to it. It was so cold that I really thought I might die, just collapse in the street and die. I started running, and ran the rest of the way home as if all the fiends of hell were after me. I ended up with frostbite on the tips of my ears and a toe or two, and something like it on the insides of my thighs. Whenever I'd get cold, the insides of my thighs would burn. It really was a terribly cold.

See, that kind of stuff is okay when you're 17, but if you're 18 and don't have the sense to check and see whether the buses are running before you start walking home 2 miles in the sub-zero cold at 2 in the morning, there's something wrong with you. And if you're 18 and don't realize that sex has emotional consequences and that women want more than just to be screwed, again, there's something really wrong with you. I had to be 17, and she had to be a year older than me for the story to work, just as it had happened in real life.

I thought she was so mature and had it all figured out. To see her fear of loneliness and her need for love just really freaked me out. I was just a kid. What could I give her?

As I said, I talked to her a couple years ago and sent her an early version of the story. She doesn't remember any of it, but I do. I remember every detail, especially that cat. To this day, I open my garage door on Christmas eve to let in any stray animals that might need shelter because I rmemeber that cat.