Push-button Plunder

Todd

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For starters …

(a) I don’t go to the grocery store all that often.

(b) When I do go, I use cash. No credit cards. No debit cards.

That was, until Sunday night. I had to make a last-minute trip to ye olde grocery store to pick up a few things. Short on cash, I resorted to the charge card. The clerk told me to push a button on a little machine and swipe my card. I had a choice between Debit Card, Credit Card and EBT Card.

EBT Card? What the hell is this?

That’s “Electronic Benefits Card.” A supposedly more “humane” way of saying “food stamps.” Instead of carrying around their little “get out of work free” booklets the food stamp crowd now has their own nifty little charge card! They charge, we pay!

So, welcome to the world of push-button plunder! The pitiful poor have now automated the task of reaching in someone else’s pocket to meet their own so-called “needs.”

“So called?” Yeah. Since when do the pitiful poor need frozen pizzas, doughnuts, prime steaks and ice cream to sustain their existence? If they want the good stuff --- then pay for it, dammit! Don’t just walk up to the cashier and push the “make someone else pay for my food” button.

Do I want the poor to starve? No – but I don’t want to pay for a feast either. With very few exceptions, these freeloaders with their food stamps and EBT cards are right were they are because of their own irresponsible choices and decisions, so let’s not reward their irresponsibility with the good stuff.

Now --- I’m not just complaining here. I actually do have a few suggestions for reform.

1. Limit what these looters can buy with our money. Generic items only. No desserts. No soft drinks. No cookies, Frosted Flakes or bagels. Just the basic staples that are needed to provide basic nutrition. They want something fancy? Pay for it.

2. A special check out line for the freeloaders. I just don’t want to sit there with a cart full of food that I’m going to have to pay for with money that I actually earned, and watch some double-wide mega-bar babe with six screaming children with three different last names load the belt with her frozen pizzas, ice cream and other nutritional disasters and then hit that “EBT card” button. Productive Americans should only have to take so much.

3. Put the freeloaders over in their own lane in the far corner of the store with trainee cashiers. Make them carry their plunder out themselves. They could use the exercise. Hell, it’s not like they have anything else they need to be doing ---- like working, for instance.

4. Above the freeloader’s check out line how about a nice neon sign which says “Your tax money at work.”

5. As a freeloader leaves with their plunder require them to walk by the other check out lanes and thank one of the people standing there for paying for their food.

6. Anyone EBT freeloader seen departing the grocery store in a car less than five years old will have their groceries and their EBT card confiscated.

Let them eat cake.
 
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Todd said:
That’s “Electronic Benefits Card.” A supposedly more “humane” way of saying “food stamps.”

1. Limit what these looters can buy with our money. Generic items only. No desserts. No soft drinks. No cookies, Frosted Flakes or bagels. Just the basic staples that are needed to provide basic nutrition. They want something fancy? Pay for it.


Despite your forgetfulness in posting the source of this essay, I'll address this point.

EBT cards are a better way of limiting what can be purchases with "food stamps." If the cash register system is programmed properly, the EBT card will only pay for items which are allowable for purchase with "Food Stamps" "WIC" or other such programs.

Pressing the EBT button will almost always return a new total for everything that must be paid for in "real money."

I'd much rather have "benefits" controlled electronically than with pieces of paper that can be traded to someone for the cash to buy things that aren't allowed.
 
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Weird Harold said:


Despite your forgetfulness in posting the source of this essay, I'll address this point.

EBT cards are a better way of limiting what can be purchases with "food stamps." If the cash register system is programmed properly, the EBT card will only pay for items which are allowable for purchase with "Food Stamps" "WIC" or other such programs.

Pressing the EBT button will almost always return a new total for everything that must be paid for in "real money."

I'd much rather have "benefits" controlled electronically than with pieces of paper that can be traded to someone for the cash to buy things that aren't allowed.

Same place I get the majority of my aritcles http://www.boortz.com

I agree with you whole heartedily Weird Harold, "if" the controls were put into the machines to limit what exactly was to be allowed to be purchased. But I hope you know as well I do that it will never happen. The EBT cards are merely another way of making lifetime, healthy, able bodied, able minded welfare reciepiants{sp?} feel more at ease in thier money grubbing ways.

I have absolutely no problem with people, who cannot work, wither, health , body or mind prevents it but healthy able bodied, able minded people are the majority of Welfare people I would guess close to 60% of the people on Welfare have no real reason to be on welfare.

The current way that welfare and social services is set up, it encourages people to stay on board, at least here in Canada and I would gander a guess in the states as well.

First the people on it make more than minimum wage job would earn them, and most of the time minimum wage jobs are all that are available.

Second up here health benefits,dentist, eye, car insurances, sometimes even cars, if they wwere to take a minimum wage job more than likely they would not have all those wonderful benefits.

The system needs reform, but alas to be truthful, it is better for the government to dole out the money and keep the masses tranquilized and sedated then for the masses to wage up against against the government in want of social reform.
 
Guru said:
You know, Todd, the "pitiful poor" aren't the only ones using Food Stamps. My wife and I did for a short time a long, long time ago. We know GOOD people today who genuinely need the help. Would you have children go hungry because their parents had some bad luck? Should we deny them the basic nutrional needs because the economy sucks? Food Stamps are one of the better social programs.

I have no problem with basic food needs, but maybe its just the ones in the communities I have lived in, but is :

Losters
Steaks
High end Cereals
Brand Names

Are these basic food needs or extravangance?
 
I agree with both you, Guru and Harold, BUT it should be done on a temporary basis only.

I have witnessed what these people, along with others I'm sure, are able to purchase using Food Stamps, hell they sometimes eat much better than I do. When times and money were rough, I worked two sometimes three jobs to make ends meet.

Instance, back in 1990, I was out of work for 5 months due to illness. My children were then 10 and 12. I went down to Social Services to try to get some Food Stamps for a few months until we could get back on our feet. The Social worker tried to encouraged my husband to quit his job and have us go on welfare. I only wanted temporary help until we could manage again. Needless to say, my husband didn't quit his job and we made out okay without the help of Social Services.

They encourage people to go on welfare and keep them there. I, and this is just my opinion, think that welfare, food stamps and every other social service program should be temporary, to encourage people to work. With exceptions to those who are truly disabled and otherwise unable to fend for themselves.
 
from the way i see it... food stamps are there to help, not provide... but it doesnt always work like that...

in Illinois, you have to make under a certain amount per year to be eligible for them, and if you make more than that, too bad.. you lose the help, and you cant get it again until you're under that amount for at 3 months

so.. you cant make ends meet, you're working a lot, and you just cant do it... too bad, someone else that doesnt have a job, or a desire to get one is going to get the help that you need

i agree with Todd here... it does need to be reformed.. it should be an aid, not a gift
 
I agree with what Kssss said. I would note that I if a person legitimately needed more help, they should get it. Then we get into the system we have now. I don't think this social issue is an easy one. Sometimes the "skaters" thru life use the system. Sometimes the innocent go punished. I wish I knew how to handle both situations. I would think a third party would be able to determine one from the other but.............
 
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Todd said:
I agree with you whole heartedily Weird Harold, "if" the controls were put into the machines to limit what exactly was to be allowed to be purchased. But I hope you know as well I do that it will never happen.

It not only WILL hap[pen, it already does. Just yesterday, I watch a cashier explain why Gerber Rice with fruit baby cereal wasn't permitted, while just plain Gerber Rice baby cereal was.

The cash register refuse to accept food stamps for that item.

Most of the stores here in Las Vegas, keep track of what is allowed for food stamps, and show a separate total for items that require cash.

I don't really have a problem with people who squander their food budget on lobster and prime cuts of meat. I don't understand indulging champagne tastes on a beer budget, whether it's cash or food stamps. Under the current system, I don't even know which items the food stamps are paying for while I wait in line behind them, nor do I really care.

If the people aren't budgeting their money/benefits efficiently, they're still going to go hungry at the end of the month. The more expensive "luxuries" they buy, the hungrier they'll be later.
 
Here in NY they are trying to make it tougher to get on social service help now. They just recently passed a bill on Medicaid and people who use medicaid for pregnancies, now many have to repay the "service" a certain amount of which they were once given.
Case in point, a girl who worked with me just had a baby. Her boyfriend (who is the father of this child) is driving around in a brand new 2001 Toyota. She was denied Food Stamps, further Medicaid (although we do now have Child Health care Plus medical insurance for children under 18 and whose parents are not able to afford medical insurance for them) and forced to go out and get a job. She figured ( and stated verbally several times) she would be able to use the child as a means to not have to work (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr), and to receive money to keep her out of her mothers home.
 
Hmmm. I'm totally with Todd on this one,
but could we have birth control substances injected in the food
as well?

Remember that the welfare states is anti-evolutionary....
Thick people breed faster than smart people.

LOL

Cactiphile
 
It is a simpler system to manage, you can do it electronically, but by gawd, if I am going to get drug-tested at every turn in my life, I want them to show up get their check, piss in a bottle, and if it comes out positive, WHOOPS, no more welfare!
 
I am just a little confused, but maybe thats because I have never heard of food stamps before....

are these like cupons the government gives people who cannot afford food by themselves?
 
Dayanara said:
are these like cupons the government gives people who cannot afford food by themselves?

That is about the best description I have seen for food stamps.

They are very much like a book of coupons that are good for free stuff. They can only be used for "unprepared food" -- you can buy bread and lunch-meat, but you can't buy a deli sandwich.
 
It's never...

...going to work as well as some people would like it to. Still, as these things go it's pretty far down the list of government expenditures. It turns out the present system of just handing over coupons or EBTs is cheaper than the days when I was a child and folks on welfare had to line up for boxes full of powdered eggs, powdered milk, tins of beans, and so forth.

You want to live in a society then you have to resign yourself to the fact that there will always be a certain percentage who legitimately need help as well as those who are not going to work no matter what you do.

Cut off some of these people and they still won't work...they'll turn to something more menacing like breaking a $200 window on your car, stealing a $500 stereo, and selling it for £25.

Trying to figure out what to do with chronic slackers using your own perceptions and values is like teaching a pig to sing...it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.
 
"I agree with you whole heartedly Weird Harold, "if" the controls were put into the machines to limit what exactly was to be allowed to be purchased. But I hope you know as well I do that it will never happen."

Todd, why are you so ignorant? Why do you say you 'know' something when you're only guessing?
As a matter of fact that's exactly what it does. They can't buy Lobsters, Steaks and "High end" Cereals. They can't buy frozen pizzas, doughnuts, prime steaks or ice cream. I worked as a cashier for over a year EBTs only let you buy the most basic items, you can't even get food from the deli as it's 'pre-made'.

Do you know why they have EBT? Because 15 year old cashiers would take food stamps and scan through whatever the customer gave them. The cashiers weren't interested in memorizing what could and couldn't be purchased - the computer will only let exactly what people can buy be purchased. The EBTs actually enforce the restrictions.

As for your 'suggestions', do you want to have a cashier turn you away from an empty line because it's the EBT only section? Soon we'd be having rants about how 'welfare people' were getting special privileges at the food markets.

Moving on. How about you write down your own thoughts for once? Or how about you credit your source? Or how about you post articles on subjects you're even somewhat knowledgeable about?
 
do not go after Todd
that's Boortz you want to go after.
Toddie's just the messenger!
 
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