Punching, kicking, etc. in D/s...

[ownedsubgal]

does anyone else practice more "traditional" types of beating? such as punching, kicking and whatnot?? my Master punches me on the body often, sometimes as part of a physical punishment, sometimes during sex, sometimes just because he gets the urge hehe....i absolutely adore it (except during punishment of course), i guess because it's so RAW...he's beating me down with nothing but his bare hands, his simple, base, superior masculine strength. makes me feel so helpless, so weak, so humble, and so very much in awe of him. and the beautiful bruises it leaves!! *happy sigh*....

anywho, this isn't something i often hear about others in the D/s lifestyle engaging in...is it really that rare? anyone have experience with this themselves?

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I think it is a psychological line more than anything else... Someone who has no qualms about whipping someone (nearly) bloody may not even be willing to slap someone lightly on teh face, let alone punch them.

I just keep coming back to Fight Club, when Lou clocks Tyler in the gut, and he goes down hard...

 

[rosco rathbone]

I've done a little of this kind of thing. It's extremely thrilling, about the edgiest thing I've done, but also highly disturbing, since it just flows out of a (very dangerous, unhinged-feeling) intense headspace. I file under "extreme rough sex", not bdsm per se.

 

[Justina123]

I once witnessed a couple at a public playspace doing punching. Earlier in the evening, the woman was punching the man, chained to the wall, repeatedly, really working up a sweat, almost as if he were one of those hanging punching bags. She was quite fit and trim and he seemed to be none the worse for wear afterwards. Then, later in the evening, I observed the same couple, roles reversed, with the man punching the woman! Evidently switches...

As you say, something I had never observed before. Had I not observed these scenes, I would be rather skeptical that this could be done safely, but having seen this (and having met the lady once previously and had an interesting and intelligent discussion with her). Not my cup of tea, but I guess I'll have to be open minded, ha!

But I do wonder- isn't there a lot more risk involved in this? Both scenes I witnessed involved punching to the abdomen, stomach area as well as thighs and buttocks.

-justina

 

[lark sparrow]

Closed fist, for more of a thud than a slap, yes, but in what I would term actual punching, no. I have heard of it before though in terms of gay male leather practice for some.

 

[ownedsubgal]

i agree with Johnny in that there is a psychological stigma against this sort of activity because it is what occurs in physically abusive vanilla relationships. but if one thinks logically about it, controlled punches to the body inflict a lot less damage than controlled whipping or caning. for me, a punch is no where NEAR as painful as the belt or whip. but that is because my Master does not punch me as he would a man that he's in a brawl with...not that he gives me light playful lil taps, but the force is toned down to accomodate the fact that i am a female and my more delicate (than a male) body size/structure.

so Justina, i truly don't think there's any additional risks with punching and kicking than there is with any more typical sort of bdsm activity. during the scene you witnessed (i can tell from your description it would not have been my cup of tea, don't really understand players or switches)...could you tell if the punches were given with a lot of force? or were they basically love taps?

my Master mostly punches me in the side, on my thighs, my arms, my bottom, and my back. i think a punch to my chest would hurt him more than me (a bit boney there, lol), and not really sure why he doesn't punch me in the stomach. but he has told me that nowhere on my body is offlimits.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

You'll want to be careful with punches to the syomach and lower back, as you can do damage to internal organs that way. Otherwise, I have been beaten pretty severely about the chest and shoulders, with no undue consequences. Another word of warning , though, is to make sure to hit a muscle with a measured, straight-on blow, to spread the impact over the largest possible surface, and to ensure that the punch lands EXACTLY where you intend it to.

 

[ammre]

I think the difference is the blunt force. A whip or even a paddle are used with fairly the intention of skin sensation in mind. A punch or kick is intended to wound the internals. "Normal" BSDM practices involves whips, paddles, spanking, ect... these create sensations on the skin and at most, scrapes, cuts, bruises, or welts. Punching or kicking can cause severe internal bleeding.(i say severe because a bruise is internal bleeding too but most bruises are insignificant unless you have thin blood)
Also, when using toys you tend to hit more padded areas.. or at least i hope you would. I once got hit on the hip and once on the tail bone with a paddle... as much as i didn't want to i had to stop the action because it was hurting so much.
Lastly, as mentioned before... there's certain parts of the body that aren't supposed to be hit.. like around the kidneys. Kicking and punching is meant for beating people up and putting them in hospital with long term problems. Whips were initially built for the purpose of punishment on animals and humans alike, but made with the intent that the punished should survive and go on to work another day.

If this is something you seek to do, no one is stopping you, but look into it carefully. You don't want to have to explain to a hospital nurse exactly WHY you might be peeing blood.

 

[ownedsubgal]

ammre, i understand what you're saying, and you make logical points, but as many don't realize, a punch or a kick can be as careful and controlled as a whip or cane or paddle. and i know of many, many "accidents" that occured from whips and floggers and such, even with experienced Dominants...everything we do in this lifestyle has the potential to cause lots of damage....some more than others, but all have the potential for danger. i've been more severely injured with a belt than anything...punches have only left bruises that go away after a couple of weeks generally, nothing more serious. so really, it's all in how it's used, how it's done, the knowledge and experience (and concern) of the Dominant.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Hmmm....a punch just screams love and devotion, doesn't it?

 

[Pleasurekitten]

hmmm.........punching, kicking etc is too closely related to street fighting or domestic violence in my mind.

So it would not be the type of activity that would do it for me, but to each their own.

 

[ownedsubgal]

Hmmm....a punch just screams love and devotion, doesn't it?

it truly does

 

[Pure]

Hmmm.... what's going on, here,

I wouldn't think punches--bare fist-- to the kidney or the 'stomach' (front abdomen area) would be safe. I think, too, punches to the breasts could have untoward consequences.

I agree with amre that damage may only 'seem' less severe and perhaps be less painful. Maybe a paddle hurts more than a ruptured spleen, but the latter can be fatal.

Ownedsubgal, I'm not sure of the 'control' you speak of. Is there reason to suppose he knows what would cause internal injury--e.g. he's studied the matter?

OK, it's very pc here to say, 'do your own thing' whatever is agreed, etc. At the same time, perhaps serious injury and physical destruction should be labelled as such. Let's be frank: physical destruction or death are 'turn ons' for some.

And while everyone has a right to 'end up' in an explosive orgasm--e.g, from strangulation, I'm not sure it's 'healthy' for a dom/me to be the facilitator--i.e., Club Fed isn't all that great, healthwise.
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A small legal PS:

Legally a person, outside the boxing ring, can't consent to serious injury or death. Thus it does NOT protect a Dom/me to have verbal or written permission to do such things--i.e., such agreement does not count, legally. So a Dom/me inflicting serious injury should expect that s/he's open to prosecution.

The 'injury' so to say, is sufficient evidence, barring accident.
Res ipsat loquitur. The injured one's statement "I wanted it, and agreed on it." is legally irrelevant.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Hmmmm....to all you naysayers, I can only say...



Thank you!

No way do we want anyone getting involved in something like this without taking all the risks into consideration!

 

[Richard49]

If the consent is truly informed
then to each there own

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

it truly does

*grins*


Sometimes, it is just better to skip to the main event isn't it? All the rest of it seems to exist to simulate the primal feeling of punching, or being punched...

 

[Pure]

Richard said


If the consent is truly informed
then to each their own


So if your sub wanted to have a noose around her neck, then stand on a chair, masturbating, till just before she comes, at which time--as previously agreed-- you're to kick the chair away and let her hang (with no rescue)

you're OK. with that?**

I'm not.

But, if you personally are OK, you--and other dom/me's-- might make a note that the local DA may not be so OK.

In short you may be in danger as well as she, though, as you say, whatever turns your crank.

J.



**Suicide and self destruction are abstract 'rights' of all, at any time, but I don't necessarily want to be a part of it (party to it)--except for nasty terminal illnesses.

 

[Richard49]

Richard said


If the consent is truly informed
then to each their own


So if your sub wanted to have a noose around her neck, then stand on a chair, masturbating, till just before she comes, at which time--as previously agreed-- you're to kick the chair away and let her hang (with no rescue)

you're OK. with that?**

I'm not.

But, if you personally are OK, you--and other dom/me's-- might make a note that the local DA may not be so OK.

In short you may be in danger as well as she, though, as you say, whatever turns your crank.

J.



**Suicide and self destruction are abstract 'rights' of all, at any time, but I don't necessarily want to be a part of it (party to it)--except for nasty terminal illnesses.

Fully informed consent works both ways

I am informed enough about many things
that I would not agree to go through with
the example you gave

 

[Pure]

Richard said, on a (imagined) hanging scenario, in which he's involved.


Fully informed consent works both ways

I am informed enough about many things
that I would not agree to go through with
the example you gave

So you have no problem if another dom/me and sub mutually--in both ways-- agree to an erotic hanging?

I do. Likewise the local DA.

 

[Richard49]

Richard said, on a (imagined) hanging scenario, in which he's involved.


Fully informed consent works both ways

I am informed enough about many things
that I would not agree to go through with
the example you gave

So you have no problem if another dom/me and sub mutually--in both ways-- agree to an erotic hanging?

I do. Likewise the local DA.

That is up to you and judgementalness
which I see in almost everyone of your posts

I have NO use for DAs
that is why I am a Libertarian

I would NEVER pay someone to tie me up
or aid me in erotic behavior
but I will fight for your right to do it

Is erotic hanging sane and safe
the other two parts to SSC
proably not ..... but you know
since the Drs have told me I only have months to live at best
I am even less concerned with victumless crimes

 

[Pure]

//since the Drs have told me I only have months to live at best
I am even less concerned with victumless crimes//

gotcha, Richard, sorry of your woes, keep up the fight.

I personally don't call an erotic hanging (specified "with no rescue") to be victimless, since there's one dead body, but I don't know the in's and out's of 'libertarianism.'

best regards,

J.

 

[Richard49]

//since the Drs have told me I only have months to live at best
I am even less concerned with victumless crimes//

gotcha, Richard, sorry of your woes, keep up the fight.

I personally don't call an erotic hanging (specified "with no rescue") to be victimless, since there's one dead body, but I don't know the in's and out's of 'libertarianism.'

best regards,

J.

I do not see what I am going through as woes
they are the reality of life

www.lp.org

 

[rosco rathbone]

I have NO use for DAs
that is why I am a Libertarian

Your use for DAs is neither here nor there. Pure is saying that anyone inflicting serious harm will not be protected by "consent" of the harmee.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Hey folks...Pure makes a good point....now, let's accept it and move on, ok?



One time, I was punched in the shoulders, and while it hurt, it was also invigorating, you know? The bruises lasted a month, though...

 

[Pure]

Hey for those liking the real rough stuff, have ya seen "Payback" with Mel Gibson, Gregg Henry, Lucy Liu, James Coburn. The savage mistress, played by Liu, punches (in the stomach) and kicks "Val" (Henry), one of the bad guys, and takes a few herself. It's a lovely 'noir' type film. Of course when "Porter" (Mel) finally has to beat her a bit, she's really turned on, and offers to play, iirc.