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Lauren Hynde

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Imagine, if you will, the following hypothetical situation.

You are a writer. By this, I don't mean that you're a retired accountant or a housewife or a grad student who also writes pornogr- erotica in your spare (or full) time, or even that you're a retired accountant or a housewife or a grad student who is trying to make a living out of writing and with a couple of publications under your belt. I mean, you are a writer. You have an MFA from a prestigious university, you won three important nationwide literary awards, your stories have appeared at several magazines whose names would be instantly recognised by any person living in a civilised country, your novels have had print-runs in the order of hundreds of thousands. At social gatherings, you don't need to introduce yourself as a professional writer, because everybody knows you are, and most have even read one or more of your books.

You are also a member of Literotica. One of the stories mentioned above, one of your first to be accepted by a magazine, actually, was erotic in nature, and it appeared under a pseudonym in Playboy Magazine - something that some will argue is more difficult to achieve than to have your first novel published by Knopf, which you did. From that point on, you have enjoyed occasionally returning to writing erotica for pleasure, for exercise, for relaxation in between sessions of your "regular" writing. You are not the only established author to do this, you know. A few other writers of your circle of friends do the same, and one of them, a good friend, is even a member of Literotica as well.

The two of you, for a laugh, decide to write a collaborative piece, a good old-fashioned bodice ripper set in the contemporary society you both inhabit and observe daily, a cross between romance and satire, filled with the clichés of the genre. Your partner-in-crime writes and posts the first chapter, you write and post the second, and so forth, once a week. Following all the canons of the genre, it is a story of torrid affairs, forbidden passions, adultery, intrigue, betrayal, obsession, implied incest, STDs, and murder.

And then something happens. You start receiving private messages from someone who speaks in the name of a certain important, respected, and old family; you know exactly who, he adds, don't insult us further by denying it. Not wanting to threaten you (but doing it just the same), he tells you to stop writing the story. It is obvious this fellow is convinced that you are writing the sordid story of his family, a story he would rather not be made public. You, of course, dismiss him as a madman and continue writing. The messages continue, and then turn into actual letters delivered at your home without a return address. The threats become more specific, threats of exposing your own secrets - and you have them, and it would hurt. You are followed and have hostile and even life-threatening encounters with people who do indeed seem to have been taken right out of your story - not only the ones written by your friend, but yours as well. The more outrageous you write the story, the more clichéd, the more unbelievable - since it is a satire, there is a lot of latitude there - the closer it seems to get to the reality of these people. A black car with tainted windows tries to run you over, one night, and partially succeeds it.

I don't really have a question for you at this point, but this situation does raise a number of interesting - in my opinion - notions. There is, for example, the matter of how a writer deals with outside pressure to change or terminate a story. There is the matter of accountability of the writer; if you draw inspiration from real life to write your story, shouldn't you be held accountable for any inspiration real life draws from your fiction? There is also the more surreal matter of an actual reality/fiction blending effect; how would you react if fictional characters of one of your stories appeared at your doorstep?

Anyway, I'd just like to know what thoughts this brings to mind. Any comment on any aspect of it.
 
Lauren Hynde said:
Anyway, I'd just like to know what thoughts this brings to mind. Any comment on any aspect of it.

I disagree with your qualifications for being a writer.
 
impressive said:
I disagree with your qualifications for being a writer.
They're not my qualifications for being a writer. They're who you are in that hypothetical situation.
 
Yo. We need to talk. Yous know what I'm sayin' right? I'll send a guy.
 
Lauren Hynde said:
They're not my qualifications for being a writer. They're who you are in that hypothetical situation.

I really don't like second person.
 
Two unrelated thoughts

Lauren Hynde said:
<snipperdoodle>
I don't really have a question for you at this point, but this situation does raise a number of interesting - in my opinion - notions. There is, for example, the matter of how a writer deals with outside pressure to change or terminate a story. There is the matter of accountability of the writer; if you draw inspiration from real life to write your story, shouldn't you be held accountable for any inspiration real life draws from your fiction? There is also the more surreal matter of an actual reality/fiction blending effect; how would you react if fictional characters of one of your stories appeared at your doorstep?

Anyway, I'd just like to know what thoughts this brings to mind. Any comment on any aspect of it.
For some reason that whole scenario gives me the same feeling I had up my spine when I watched Eyes Wide Shut.
It is frightening, and you're damned if you know what to do about it.

It seems that in a situation like that, or any situation where we feel completely out of control with crazy things spinning into our lives, that we ought to do something.
The best and worst thing about a scenario where you are almost entirely unable to change things is that those same elements are bound to change on their own because so many other forces are stirring the brew.
It almost becomes more about playing dodgeball than anything else.
Make sure you don't get hit.


My other thought is about dealing with the outside pressure to possibly terminate, alter, or tweak any part of your writing.
That, other than being really insulting for most people, has to be up to the author. One of the biggest concerns I've seen people bow to is the fact that their writing is going to hurt/implicate their family members.
Most people can probably understand how hard that is to overcome- the desire to write and get your specific truth out there would have to be stronger than your desire to keep peace.
A lot of excellent writers have been ones to make sacrifices for their art, but there again: at what cost?
 
bluebell7 said:
For some reason that whole scenario gives me the same feeling I had up my spine when I watched Eyes Wide Shut.
It is frightening, and you're damned if you know what to do about it.

We're doing it again bluebell - Eyes Wide Shut.

And Lauren, the situation does have that (regular) man thrust into abnormal circumstances. I like bluebell's dodgeball anatomy. You should write it, has potential to be great fun.
 
Seconded. (I've been waiting to type that all day)

jomar said:
We're doing it again bluebell - Eyes Wide Shut.
Freaky! :cathappy:
(but groovy)

jomar said:
And Lauren, the situation does have that (regular) man thrust into abnormal circumstances. I like bluebell's dodgeball anatomy. You should write it, has potential to be great fun.
I agree. It cast a very palpable mantle around me.
Shivery and good.
(and thanks, jomar :) )
 
impressive said:
I really don't like second person.
If you prefer to be hung over the way in which an issue is presented for consideration rather than tackling it at all, fine. You're not a writer.

bluebell7 said:
The best and worst thing about a scenario where you are almost entirely unable to change things is that those same elements are bound to change on their own because so many other forces are stirring the brew.
Thanks, BB. Personally, I hadn't thought of this as a scenario where you are unable to change things around you; quite the opposite in fact. My first thought was that there were so many different courses of action that this writer could become paralysed by excess of choice. Do you ignore the whole thing? Do you stop writing? Do you make it even more absurd? Do you kill off the characters and see if reality imitates art? And what if it does? What would you do next?

bluebell7 said:
One of the biggest concerns I've seen people bow to is the fact that their writing is going to hurt/implicate their family members.
Most people can probably understand how hard that is to overcome- the desire to write and get your specific truth out there would have to be stronger than your desire to keep peace.
A lot of excellent writers have been ones to make sacrifices for their art, but there again: at what cost?
There was a movie a few months ago, Stranger than Fiction, I think, in which a writer discovers that the book she was writing was actually unfolding in reality as she was doing it, and ultimate decides to write a happy ending and have an OK book, instead of having a masterpiece at the cost of killing off her main character (and therefore the real person for whom the story was really happening). Would you make the same choice?
 
Lauren Hynde said:
Imagine, if you will, the following hypothetical situation.

You are a writer. By this, I don't mean that you're a retired accountant or a housewife or a grad student who also writes pornogr- erotica in your spare (or full) time, or even that you're a retired accountant or a housewife or a grad student who is trying to make a living out of writing and with a couple of publications under your belt. I mean, you are a writer. You have an MFA from a prestigious university, you won three important nationwide literary awards, your stories have appeared at several magazines whose names would be instantly recognised by any person living in a civilised country, your novels have had print-runs in the order of hundreds of thousands. At social gatherings, you don't need to introduce yourself as a professional writer, because everybody knows you are, and most have even read one or more of your books.
First, I think if you're going to cite pulp fiction your Sam Jackson AV should be Jules (see also Ezekiel 25:17 ;) )

Second, for what it's worth, I like stories about artists, particularly writers. I totally enjoyed Misery. I'd be interested in this story, but I'd make every effort you could to distance yourself from anything that hints of that story. I realize the setup/plot/story is totally different, just be sure no one in the family has a Kathy Bates quality about them. You'd be amazed (or maybe you wouldn't) at the associations people can make, and I wouldn't want this story sullied by an unfair association.

Last, I did have to read your setup a couple times before I decided you meant no insult, re "you're a writer", as opposed to us, who do in fact, dabble around for fun. I would maintain that I'm a writer, much like a 36-handicap is a golfer and a lousy lay is still "sexually active"; after all, with writing, much like golf and sex, you don't have to be good at it to enjoy it!

Feel free to use that ;)

I'll watch this space, or whatever space I should be watching, I like the idea, good luck.
 
jomar said:
And Lauren, the situation does have that (regular) man thrust into abnormal circumstances.
Do you think it's possible? I'm interested especially in the reality/fiction blending effect. Does anyone ever get feedback messages from people (seriously) thinking the author was writing about them?
 
Lauren Hynde said:
My first thought was that there were so many different courses of action that this writer could become paralysed by excess of choice. Do you ignore the whole thing? Do you stop writing? Do you make it even more absurd? Do you kill off the characters and see if reality imitates art? And what if it does? What would you do next?

Interesting...I like it.

As a writer, I would probably follow the third course: make it even more absurd, just to see if things were really unfolding according to what I was writing.

But then, I'm perverse like that. ;)
 
Lauren Hynde said:
Do you think it's possible? I'm interested especially in the reality/fiction blending effect. Does anyone ever get feedback messages from people (seriously) thinking the author was writing about them?
I haven't quite gotten that yet, but I've had people demand a re-write so that a story wqould correspond more closely to their own fantasy.

I think my writer would go into a meta-fictional spasm and begin writing all kinds of ending still I felt I'd gotten control of the situation. It would read like an Italo Calvino book. Which is probably a cop-out.
 
ninefe2dg said:
First, I think if you're going to cite pulp fiction your Sam Jackson AV should be Jules (see also Ezekiel 25:17 ;) )
I should have thought of that one. I'll pay more attention next time. :D

ninefe2dg said:
Second, for what it's worth, I like stories about artists, particularly writers. I totally enjoyed Misery. I'd be interested in this story, but I'd make every effort you could to distance yourself from anything that hints of that story. I realize the setup/plot/story is totally different, just be sure no one in the family has a Kathy Bates quality about them. You'd be amazed (or maybe you wouldn't) at the associations people can make, and I wouldn't want this story sullied by an unfair association.
Ah, I hadn't thought about that possibility: a nutcase fan. Thanks.

As a side note, I also particularly enjoy books about writers (or movies about filmmakers, etc.) especially if the story is self-referential and contains enough elements of reality for the reader to start wondering. Bret Easton Ellis's new Lunar Park is brilliant in that aspect, I thought.

ninefe2dg said:
Last, I did have to read your setup a couple times before I decided you meant no insult, re "you're a writer", as opposed to us, who do in fact, dabble around for fun. I would maintain that I'm a writer, much like a 36-handicap is a golfer and a lousy lay is still "sexually active"; after all, with writing, much like golf and sex, you don't have to be good at it to enjoy it!
No insult intended at all. I was simply describing the setting of this particular "what if".
 
Lauren Hynde said:
The two of you, for a laugh, decide to write a collaborative piece, a good old-fashioned bodice ripper set in the contemporary society you both inhabit and observe daily, a cross between romance and satire, filled with the clichés of the genre. Your partner-in-crime writes and posts the first chapter, you write and post the second, and so forth, once a week. Following all the canons of the genre, it is a story of torrid affairs, forbidden passions, adultery, intrigue, betrayal, obsession, implied incest, STDs, and murder.
I imagine this would be quite the mainstream hit.

Seriously, so much of that which achieves mainstream success often seems to me to be just genre parody, or intentionally over-milking cliches.

Anyways, you kind of lost me with the 2nd "layer" of the story. Reality-fiction blending is often frustrating to my modest, scientific brain. Even in movies I love a good dream sequence/fantasy, but I usually like to know which is which.

A recent example of this is The Science of Sleep, an absolutely beautiful film that was occasionally hard to follow thanks to blending dream and reality, making it a movie that I classify as "Good, but could have been Great".
 
cloudy said:
As a writer, I would probably follow the third course: make it even more absurd, just to see if things were really unfolding according to what I was writing.
Stella_Omega said:
I think my writer would go into a meta-fictional spasm and begin writing all kinds of ending still I felt I'd gotten control of the situation. It would read like an Italo Calvino book. Which is probably a cop-out.
Freaks, the two of you. :p

No moral qualms about playing God with another's life?

No concern about the blackmail and threats?
 
Lauren Hynde said:
Freaks, the two of you. :p

No moral qualms about playing God with another's life?

No concern about the blackmail and threats?

That's why you love me. :D

I'm not sure. I think there would be a certain amount of disbelief on my part. Are things really unfolding this way because I wrote it? Or do I have some sort of prescience, and I'm writing something that would have happened anyway?

If my writing it is causing events to happen, couldn't I just write the blackmail away?
 
Stranger Than Fiction came to my mind when I read your post as well. I loved that movie. I think it could have been terrible but wasn't because it was handled very well...and the casting was excelllent. And the choice she made I think I would have made too. At least I hope I would.
It also reminded me of a short story I read many many years ago. I can't remember the author, the publication or the name of it unfortuantely, but it was about a writer sitting in a bar with a man that claimed to come from a parrallel universe. The man related his entire story to the writer in which he claimed that his world was very different but also similar in so many ways that no one would be believe him. The language was the same, but politicians, celebrities, etc. were all different. He ended by asking the writer for help and the writer just said 'I'm sorry but I would be worse than no help at all'
He then showed the man a story he had just had published which was exactly the story the man had just told him.
I love those kinds of ideas. I hope you write yours. I can't wait to read it.
 
JamesSD said:
I imagine this would be quite the mainstream hit.

Seriously, so much of that which achieves mainstream success often seems to me to be just genre parody, or intentionally over-milking cliches.
I hear you. ;)

JamesSD said:
Anyways, you kind of lost me with the 2nd "layer" of the story. Reality-fiction blending is often frustrating to my modest, scientific brain. Even in movies I love a good dream sequence/fantasy, but I usually like to know which is which.
Imagine, if you will, that we're not just spitballing about a story idea here, but that I'm asking for advice on how to deal with a situation similar to this, on behalf of a friend who was hit by a black car with tainted windows one night. What would you do?
 
Lauren Hynde said:
Do you think it's possible? I'm interested especially in the reality/fiction blending effect. Does anyone ever get feedback messages from people (seriously) thinking the author was writing about them?

I haven't gotten that type of feedback, but it's definitely possible. Somebody with a delusional disorder locks onto your stories and you're off to the races.

How about from the other end? eta: After I reread your original post my "other end" example wasn't so much that.

I really think your idea could be a great read.
 
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Lauren Hynde said:
I hear you. ;)


Imagine, if you will, that we're not just spitballing about a story idea here, but that I'm asking for advice on how to deal with a situation similar to this, on behalf of a friend who was hit by a black car with tainted windows one night. What would you do?
For a story...I would continue to write the story, attempting changes to see if it changed the reality.

In reality...I would stop writing the story, or maybe stop posting the story and continue it in private until it was done and then post it in its entirety. Is that cheating?
 
No insult intended at all. I was simply describing the setting of this particular "what if".
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No, and none taken. As I said I had to read it a couple of times, so at the end of the day it was my shortcoming ;)

Besides I've been looking for an excuse to break out the writer/golfer/sex analogy!

All the best :)
 
Lauren Hynde said:
If you prefer to be hung over the way in which an issue is presented for consideration rather than tackling it at all, fine. You're not a writer.

Pot/kettle. I prefer to point out how literal the poster can be when it suits her purposes, and how slippery when it does not. Call it what you will. I'm out.
 
Lauren Hynde said:
Imagine, if you will, that we're not just spitballing about a story idea here, but that I'm asking for advice on how to deal with a situation similar to this, on behalf of a friend who was hit by a black car with tainted windows one night. What would you do?

I'd write in a squad of ninja and send them after the perp so that he suffers a fatal 'accident'.

* The End *​
 
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