PSA, you must agree Biden won in 2020 or face

[snailspace]

Prison for a decade or so

 

[crazychemgirl]

Probably because he did win … and I doubt they give a fuck whether some podunk fuck from nowhere USA thinks he did or didn’t.

 

[RoryN]

Prison for a decade or so

You're lying.

But should you be ostracised by society for standing by the belief that the election was stolen? Absolutely. It's key to the survival of our democracy.

 

[Lazaran]

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The OP spelled accept wrong.

Accept that President Biden won the 2020 presidential election, refrain from criminal acts to overturn that free and fair election, and even the dumbest Deplorable should be just fine.

Of course, dumb Deplorables have problems with acceptance, understanding and abiding by the law, and impulse control, so…

Prison for a decade (or more) it is!!!

 

[KeithD]

No, if you don't accept the clear reality that Biden won the 2020 election, you're just not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

 

[Intrigued42]

Prison for a decade or so

You don't have to agree. But, if you engage in seditious conspiracy and attempt to overturn the legally approved results of an election by attacking the seat of governance that is following the constitutionally-approved process to complete the transfer of power, you just might do some time. That's true.

 

[RandyRebecca]

The last I read, 69% of Republicans and 38% of Americans overall don't think that Joe Biden won the 2020 election legitimately. For that many people to believe the big lie, there has to be a lot of shrouded truths involved in the lie. Those shrouded truths are the establishment working hard to stop Trump winning in 2020, and a system that is actually controlled and rigged by super rich billionaires so that they can continue their profiteering by exploiting the working and middle classes. As a result, a lot of people don't trust the billionaire owned media, and don't believe what scientists say about Covid, who are seen as being in billionaire pockets.

Lies without shrouded truths are most easily seen through.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Biden is the president. It is that simple.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Thank you.

I think the REAL statistic is, that 95 percent of Republicans and 99% of Americans overall deep down realize that Joe Biden won the 2020 election legitimately, but either won't admit it or refuse to accept it. Hey, I have trouble accepting that fucking Kansas City won the Super Bowl last February- but that doesn't mean that I actually believe, deep down, that Kansas City did not, in fact, win the Super Bowl.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Prison for a decade or so

What a simplistic way of looking at the world.

You are much smarter than this. I know you are.

If you fail to acknowledge that Biden won, that is one thing, if you peacefully fail to acknowledge that Biden won- though to be fair, it really doesn't make you look very intelligent or grown up.

IF, however, you act on that failure to acknowledge it by committing a violent act of insurrection and civil disobedience, that is no better than loudly proclaiming "BIDEN WON SUCKAS!!!" while torching a liquor store and looting an Office Max (R).

Ah geez dude, I really shouldn't have to explain this to you, should I??

 

[dkovic77]

The last I read, 69% of Republicans and 38% of Americans overall don't think that Joe Biden won the 2020 election legitimately. For that many people to believe the big lie, there has to be a lot of shrouded truths involved in the lie. Those shrouded truths are the establishment working hard to stop Trump winning in 2020, and a system that is actually controlled and rigged by super rich billionaires so that they can continue their profiteering by exploiting the working and middle classes. As a result, a lot of people don't trust the billionaire owned media, and don't believe what scientists say about Covid, who are seen as being in billionaire pockets.

Lies without shrouded truths are most easily seen through.

Is this anything like the recent polling data in Iowa that shows DeSantis gaining 7 points? It was a DeSantis sponsored poll.

If 69% of republicans and 38% of Americans (a ton of overlap there) believe it- it must be true.

The lemmings believe what they are told and what they are told are pure lies. It’s Hunter Biden, he did it! And of course Mike Pence did too.

Countless election fraud cases and they are all dismissed and some are laughed out of the court room. Clearly saying the same thing over and over works on some people.

I’m still looking for any truth in the statements or (gasp) evidence.

The voter fraud evidence that does come out stacks against the right, with dead people voting for their Orange Savior. (“momma would have voted for him, so I was just doing it in her memory…”)

 

[Chernosoth]

Politics is a blood sport. Any election without cheating is for a prize nobody wants. The amount of election fraud is variable as old tactics meet new defenses and new tactics are invented, and public tolerance for cheating varies.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Is this anything like the recent polling data in Iowa that shows DeSantis gaining 7 points? It was a DeSantis sponsored poll.

No, the poll about 69% of Republicans and 38% of Americans not believing that Biden won enough legitimate votes to win the presidency in 2020 came from CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/03/...s-think-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html

 

[dkovic77]

No, the poll about 69% of Republicans and 38% of Americans not believing that Biden won enough legitimate votes to win the presidency in 2020 came from CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/03/...s-think-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html

I was being facetious, not knowing where the source was originally from.

I mean what percent of Republicans think Jan 6 wasn’t an insurrection? The violent attempt to interfere in the process for peaceful transfer of power we have done EVERY time prior.

So yeah, if it’s around the same overlaps of 69 and 38, their thoughts of if Biden legitimately won don’t really hold water.

How many election fraud cases resulted in any findings for the plaintiff? How many Republican officials in the disputed states have gone on the record numerous times backing the results?

If the Cheeto wanted to stage his own third world election “win”, he shouldn’t have done anything over the phone. Good thing Brad thought to get that conversation on tape.

I’m sure Biden is at fault for the midterm losses in ‘18 and ‘22 as well? Nope, the MAGA brand is the issue.

And little Ronnie tried running a campaign MORE conservative than the losing campaign of the Cheeto….and he’s back in Florida. (unless you believe his own poll that shows him bouncing back up…. Sure we do)

When a large group of Americans get their information from places that make things up and lie (admittedly), including the flagship that has gone on record to say they aren’t news but entertainment - “the viewers should know better”. Clearly the viewers don’t. They enjoy being lied to.

So, while you would like to espouse legitimate fraud because of feelings from the poll…where is the fraud? When there has been everything tried to find it, putting poor pillow Mike out of business—there is nothing there.

(Oh I know the MAGA folks yell Hunter Biden at this point, almost like it’s a Pavlovian response or a callback in church. Are they really listening to the issue or the just think by saying his name over and over will get results? So far their “news” channel has done it and they believe them too)

 

[RandyRebecca]

So, while you would like to espouse legitimate fraud because of feelings from the poll…where is the fraud? When there has been everything tried to find it, putting poor pillow Mike out of business—there is nothing there.

(Oh I know the MAGA folks yell Hunter Biden at this point, almost like it’s a Pavlovian response or a callback in church. Are they really listening to the issue or the just think by saying his name over and over will get results? So far their “news” channel has done it and they believe them too)

Uh? All I said was that for a big lie to work, it has to be shrouded in truth. In other words, the big lie (i.e. that the election itself was actually rigged in terms of votes) is shrouded in truths (i.e. the establishment worked hard to stop Trump winning, the capitalist system is rigged and controlled by billionaires, and thus a lot of people don't trust or perhaps don't even believe the media at all). The fraud is billionaires controlling the system, keeping ordinary people "in their place".

A big lie shrouded with complete lies would be easily seen through.

Ukraine is another point. It's a NATO proxy war against Russia in reality, aiming at weakening Russia before NATO attacks China in the future, yet NATO propaganda paints it as a "fight for Ukrainian freedom against the Russian aggressors". Therefore, it's easy to attack the Democrats on Ukraine.

 

[dkovic77]

Uh? All I said was that for a big lie to work, it has to be shrouded in truth. In other words, the big lie (i.e. that the election itself was actually rigged in terms of votes) is shrouded in truths (i.e. the establishment worked hard to stop Trump winning, the capitalist system is rigged and controlled by billionaires, and thus a lot of people don't trust or perhaps don't even believe the media at all). The fraud is billionaires controlling the system, keeping ordinary people "in their place".

A big lie shrouded with complete lies would be easily seen through.

And most sane folks have saw through the Cheetos attempt to steal an election and his protection of his practices onto others. It’s all he does. If he accuses anyone, he has done it.

Ukraine is another point. It's a NATO proxy war against Russia in reality, aiming at weakening Russia before NATO attacks China in the future, yet NATO propaganda paints it as a "fight for Ukrainian freedom against the Russian aggressors". Therefore, it's easy to attack the Democrats on Ukraine.

No sure we are getting to revenge for the Mongol invasion, but I’m sure the republicans aren’t even gaming things that far- it’s all about owning the libs.

Republicans used to actually have issues they were for- now it’s everything against what someone else is doing. But so quick to take credit when it brings home the pork! Except they canceled the shipment but the Dems sent it to them anyway.

 

[stxjimmy]

Prison for a decade or so

Or face a lifetime of bitterness, irrelavence and ridicule.
Let it go and if you do want a future in political debate help rebuild the RP.

 

[jomar]

Sounds like a Proud Boy whine