Prove it

[dr_mabeuse]

I started out saying that most of the poems I saw here were bad, and the response I got was anger, outrage, and a lot of personal attacks, as well as a few murmurs of ascent.

What I didn't get was any proof that I was wrong.

It wouldn't take much. Just one or two good ones, and I'll be more than willing to make my heartfelt apologies. And don't think I'll be contentious. Just show me some good ones.

I would also like to clear up a misconception that I meant that my poetry was in any way exempt from this judgment. My own writings rank right down there with the very worst, as I tried to demonstrate in my sonnetoid.

I would also respectfully suggest that some of you get ahold of a sense of humor. It can be so helpful sometimes.


Until then I remain,

Your Very Pompous Asshole,

---dr.M.

 

[WickedEve]

I'm curious as to why you're here. You don't seem to like the poetry here. And now you want us to go out and fetch you poems and offer them to you. lol Go find them yourself. We're busy having fun, discussing poetry, and whatever else it is we do around here. Hey, guys, what else do we do around here?
If you want to join in doc, feel free! We like fresh meat. Especially me... I'm a meat eater. *yummy*

Until then I remain,

Your Very Puckered Asshole,

---w.e.

 

[OT]

RE: Proof

you said:
"what I didn't get was any proof that I was wrong".

It being Tuesday I'll risk losing my unofficial status as poetry board lurker and offer a couple of pennies to the fray and offer up an answer or two.

First, there is a very wise rule that reads "don't feed the trolls".
That's not idle name calling -- your behavior to-date simply meets the definition of a public-forum troll.

You wandered in screaming "you all suck" and even admitted to only reading a couple of poems before making your assertion.

Why would you expect those that you have insulted to scramble around the site defensively gathering up good poems to prove you wrong.?

If you'd like anyone to invest meaningful time in an adult dialog, you have to bring something meaningful and adult to the table.

For example, take the page of anyone who has responded to you so far (feel free to start with mine) and read ALL of their poems. If you can truly say that all that you read was bad -- then you have a couple of options.

You can come back and we can discuss specifics about what may be right or wrong with the samples you have seen. You will have invested some time and effort, and most here will respond in kind.

More practical advice however, is that if after reading a reasonable sample you discover that your original assertion is true -- then it probably would make sense for you to decide that if you don't like hockey, then going to all the games is probably pretty silly.

Note to all:
This was just a fun little rant. It feels good sometimes.
If you'd also like to rant at the good doctor (I'm sure you won't mind, right doc?) do it with humor or style. Perhaps we'll give points for the best rants. It'll be something to do while we wait for the doc to catch up on his reading.

 

[WickedEve]

Good rant, OT! But I didn't know we were getting points. I want to change my rant! My rant sucked. I mentioned meat because I haven't had breakfast yet.

 

[Zhuk]

You want a real good one?

OK Docter M you asked for a good one - Here it is - try your best

They

If they are,
they can.

If they can,
they may.

If they can’t,
they won’t.

If they do,
they die.

If they don’t,
they Dodo.

- Zhuk

 

[_Land]

This is my rant, and I know that I cant Use
Words like fucking prick, go suck some dick
because that would not be classy, just trashy
but never the less i will spout my spew
seeking release to the tension, thanks
for this unexpected orgasm, the build up lacked
fervor, and your not the type id go for multiples with anyway
Eve, well......... anyway on with my rant
by the time im done you wont be able to pant
because of all the hot air you have expelled
I find it amuzing that you say get a sense of humor
when in deed we have, we have humored you
all this time, and even managed to have fun doing so
Your whats known as the cheap whore on the corner
and youve given us a free trick, turned badly by the way
We believe in safe sex, or is it sex safe, if your in to bondage
anywhoooo this rant is quite entertaining.......I have found that i can post meaningfull shit, whill being meaninless at the
same time. But for pity's sake i wont carry this thread much further. When you grow some balls. When you grow a brain,
and are slightly less inane, or insane or plain, or trained I would love to discuss, not cuss the poetry we write.
I believe i read somewhere once that. "I long to make slow passionate love with the tip of my pen, not just these ten minute quickies." As Burns would have said " i just stick around to see what Judo will be wearing next" ok well he didnt say it, but ..........
well, "DEEP SUBJECT" perhaps we shouldnt go there for I fear the dear doc is already over his head. both of them the one he thinks with, oh wait, does he have one? either way this is just way to much, and for those of you that read this far in to my diatribe, diascribe? I congratulate you for doing so, Why would you ever bother...I have nothing better to do then start meaningless threads that irritate the masses, well not the masses but the unooolected officials of the lit sorrority houses anyway, oh yeah and me to the mascot......and im the nicest one here. so this sensless rant coming to a close will finally put some meaninfull nonsense in here. I love you Man, To all my friends at lit that have watched the poetry gorw rather then just get worse, a toast to you......." Heres to all the Chaps, and the Gals that rub them raw in all the write ways. To our nice little community"
A fucking bloddy brilliant rant if i must say so myself, which i probably will because no one else will waste there time reading the entire thing, well except for angeline......she reads everything........Please dont edit this It is done this waaay for posterior' S sake



Regards the reanting raving lunatic fringe......oh wait i cant stop now


Regards _Land

 

[Lauren Hynde]

As Burns would have said " i just stick around to see what Judo will be wearing next" ok well he didnt say it, but...

Regards _Land

Oh I think I was the one who said that

Doc--
Just check the profiles of any of us here on the board and you won't be disappointed. Maybe not everything's a piece of art, but there are some exceptional works and a few consistently very good poets among us. Not me though, I'm just waiting.

 

[Angeline]

I read his stories

and the two sonnets he has posted here. The sonnets, which you've all seen, pretty much suck as sonnets. As poems they're not the worst things I've ever read by far, but certainly nothing exceptionally good there. His stories are extremely well written, literate even as far as sentence sense and consistency of form (some stylistic sloppiness that a good edit would have caught, but I've seen much worse here). The content though is unrelentingly nihilistic, violent, and misogynistic. Why am I not surprised?

Actually I think he likes us. One of the sonnets says something about needing hurt in order to love. So he's just been showing his love for us. I guess.

OT is, in his quietly lurky way, right as usual. The guy is a troll. Nothing we say is going to make him respond favorably. He's already wasted more of my time and energy that I could have spent elsewhere more productively. He'll continue raving at us, but if we ignore him I think he'll burn out eventually.

Anyway, I'm off to write poems. Doctor, I'd say it's been nice to meet you, except it hasn't. Maybe you can just go write another rape fantasy and the rest of us will soldier on here with our crummy poems.

 

[JUDO]

I started out saying that most of the poems I saw here were bad, and the response I got was anger, outrage, and a lot of personal attacks, as well as a few murmurs of ascent.

And you expected?

I agree that many of the poetry authored at the Literotica site and others is not "great poetry."

However, I wouldn't judge it as bad as most of the poetry published here is not trying to be anything other than what it is -- first attempts by amateur authors writing personal messages for the ones they love.

There are others here who are trying to learn to become better wordsmiths and use poetry as well as prose to further that end. Still, there are a few authors here who would like to build a body of work in poetry while they learn their craft with the thought that they may someday have enough "good" poetry to attempt publishing.

There are even some who post new works here regularly who are published poets with highly developed senses of rhythm and style.

To condemn the majority and demand proof of quality is folly at best.


- Judo

 

[littlekateyes]

I thought poetry is where a person writes down their feeling for all to see, and the person reading it could perceive it in there own way. I know I do not follow the poetry rules when I write, but I am merely getting down feeling I have wondering around inside my head, and heart. Why you feel the need to put down the poetry here I am clueless to. I love the poetry here, and the poets here are artist in my opinion.

Kat

 

[Angeline]

On the Relativity of Writing "Good" Poetry

I think some of my poems are pretty good. Like Dispos-a-Girl. I think that's a pretty decent poem (heck Riven Caulfield read it and said I was a genius--although if he actually ever met me, he'd get over that in about 14 seconds). Anyway, I mention this only because I happened to notice that Dispos-a-Girl was the 2nd most highly rated poem on site (at the moment anyway). Pretty good, huh? Well. Here's an excerpt from the poem next to it.

E I E I O
by damppanties ©
Note: This poem should be sung to the rhyme 'Old McDonald had a farm'

* * * * *

I came upon a hardened cock
Oh wow Oh wow Oh!

And on that cock I put my hand
Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh!
With a rub rub here
And a rub rub there
Here a rub, there a rub
Everywhere a rub rub
Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh!

Then on that cock I put my tongue
Oh my Oh my Oh!
With a lick lick here
And a lick lick there
Here a lick, there a lick
Everywhere a lick lick
Oh my Oh my Oh!

(it goes on in a predictable sorta way.)

And you know--the more I think about it, the more I realize EIEIO is really a great poem. Read any poem here that you think is good. Then read EIEIO. See which one you still recall at the end of the week.

It's all relative, isn't it?

 

[damppanties]

Re: On the Relativity of Writing "Good" Poetry

And you know--the more I think about it, the more I realize EIEIO is really a great poem.....

And I fainted about here

 

[Angeline]

Greatness

Dear Friend, at the very least it's clever. But, you think about my reasoning you begin to see that it is all relative and "great" can be defined many ways!

P.S. Nice to meet you, DP!

 

[damppanties]

Re: Greatness

Dear Friend, at the very least it's clever.

At most it is...?

But, you think about my reasoning you begin to see that it is all relative and "great" can be defined many ways!

P.S. Nice to meet you, DP!

Ohh I fainted before I got to the 'reasoning'. I didn't even know it was on the Top Lists!!

P.S. to the P.S. Good to meet you too

 

[dr_mabeuse]

My Sincere Apologies

I offer my ture and sincere apolgies to the poets and poetry here. I did take several people's suggestions and visit some authors' collected poems, and I stand totally corrected and chagrined. It seems I went off totally half cocked, if even that much.

It so happens that the poems that I read the first day I was here at the favorites site did happen to be--let's say--/weak/. I should have known enough to realize that those were not representative of all the work here, but I did not. I apologizemost abjectly for for my hastiness and ignorance.

I also apologize totally for my boorish behavior on entering this group, which was quite inexcusable. I'll replace your potted palms and pay for any damages and let myself out the back door.

Once again, my sincere apologies to all, especially to those who I mighthave persoanlly offended. I do not use ad hominem attacks everm and it is no excuse but perhaps ameliorative to say that my criticisms were addressed to the poems I had seen and never to the poets.

With deepest regets,

---dr.M.

 

[karmadog]

Well damn, doc. You're going to have to remove 'pompous asshole' from your sig line. No pompous asshole I ever met could make an act of contrition like that.

I wouldn't worry about the potted plants. I would have whizzed on 'em anyhow.

 

[HomerPindar]

I wouldn't worry about the potted plants. I would have whizzed on 'em anyhow.

Ya know, this is the second "What was this thread about" thread I read tonite, and I dare say the best thing about the poets is that thier rambling non-sensical threads are damn funny...

anywhere else, Kdog, and Id'a told ya to clean up ya own damn mess... but seeing as I dont have plants anyhoot...


HomerPindar

 

[karmadog]

Well, I'll sweep up the plants, but who is the bust of in your Av, and why does he keep looking at my mouse?

 

[_Land]

Ok,

The remorse is excepted, now why dont you getto know some of us in here...............I believe there is a challenge for you in Lands Challenge thread have fun with it and remember to post a challenge when your done.



Now on to the points, who wins,whats the score on those great rants?