pro lifers & pro choicers,

[dolf]

what do you think about this case?

she texted about buying abortion drugs, but no physical evidence of such drugs was ever found, no trace of them was in her system. she was sentenced to 20 years.

 

[yossi]

How can you neglect a child that never was?

 

[dolf]

How can you neglect a child that never was?

i was confused by that one too, though perhaps the angle was that when she started to miscarry/abort she didn't seek medical help, and she made no attempt to revive it herself.

 

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[DesEsseintes]

How can you neglect a child that never was?

That's one of the key points for me, too, mentioned in the article. Even if the prosecution case is absolutely correct, either the child was born alive, in which case you can charge her with neglect - or it was born dead, in which case you can charge her with illegal abortion. But both?

Quite apart from the tenuous evidence, it is illogical.

 

[yossi]

i was confused by that one too, though perhaps the angle was that when she started to miscarry/abort she didn't seek medical help, and she made no attempt to revive it herself.

Considering the number of women who miscarry at home and while alone, that is a very scary slippery legal slope for this country. Could you imagine being held accountable for not having the mental capacity to try and revive a fetus after going through that? My brain shudders at the thought.

 

[Liar]

That's one of the key points for me, too, mentioned in the article. Even if the prosecution case is absolutely correct, either the child was born alive, in which case you can charge her with neglect - or it was born dead, in which case you can charge her with illegal abortion. But both?

Quite apart from the tenuous evidence, it is illogical.

Yep. I'm very interrested in the logic pretzel they applied to make it be both.

This is some serious Shroedinger's fetus going on here.

 

[dolf]

Considering the number of women who miscarry at home and while alone, that is a very scary slippery legal slope for this country. Could you imagine being held accountable for not having the mental capacity to try and revive a fetus after going through that? My brain shudders at the thought.

i gawked at it for a while, then flushed it. later it seems obvious that burying it, with maybe a rose bush to mar the spot, would have given more piece of mind. but being hormonal, bleeding, scared and in pain doesn't really facilitate rational choices.

 

[phrodeau]

That's one of the key points for me, too, mentioned in the article. Even if the prosecution case is absolutely correct, either the child was born alive, in which case you can charge her with neglect - or it was born dead, in which case you can charge her with illegal abortion. But both?

Quite apart from the tenuous evidence, it is illogical.

American lawyers like to layer on the charges, in hope that at least one will stick.

 

[Lancecastor]

Alternative arguments, that's all....

If the court rules it a fetus, illegal abortion.

If the court rules it a baby, failure to provide necessities of life/infanticide.

 

[domroger]

If the facts in this case are as stated then she never should have been charged in the first place .
This seems to be a political inspired prosecution and seeing that she is of Indian/Pakistani descent perhaps it is racist as well .

 

[Busybody]

I read it

I found the slant against the US and Indiana awful....the writer cant be relied on

and then there is this

We may never know what really happened in Patel’s case.

 

[Busybody]

well this is a different spin

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...ged-two-asian-american-women-feticide-n332761

seems the baby was born alive and she threw it in a dumpster


MURDER!

a better story is here

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/magazine/purvi-patel-could-be-just-the-beginning.html?_r=0

 

[elli1]

one of those moments where all i can manage is shaking my head and hoping for a speedy end of humanity

 

[Busybody]

That's one of the key points for me, too, mentioned in the article. Even if the prosecution case is absolutely correct, either the child was born alive, in which case you can charge her with neglect - or it was born dead, in which case you can charge her with illegal abortion. But both?

Quite apart from the tenuous evidence, it is illogical.

if you read the story

LEGAL drugs that are prescribed by Dr to induce abortion is fine

NON LEGAL DRUGS are against the law

She broke the law

Into the POKEY for her

 

[Liar]

We may never know what really happened in Patel’s case.

That's true.

But shoudn't innocent until proven guilty then apply?

 

[Busybody]

That's true.

But shoudn't innocent until proven guilty then apply?

I quoted the author......she bashes the LAW and admits we don't really KNOW

btw, she was CONVICTED in a JURY TRIAL so she has been proven guilty


(So you cant answer the question...I kept asking....please don't pretend you don't know)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That's true.

But shoudn't innocent until proven guilty then apply?

Youre a naïf. When the government locks you up no one assumes youre innocent. The government least of all.

 

[Liar]

Youre a naïf. When the government locks you up no one assumes youre innocent. The government least of all.

I said "should", not "does".

 

[Busybody]

Youre a naïf. When the government locks you up no one assumes youre innocent. The government least of all.

a JURY convicted her

 

[Liar]

a JURY convicted her

A jury is a function of Government.

 

[Busybody]

A jury is a function of Government.

so then you don't believe in JURY system?

 

[chillywilly2]

When some twit in government decides you're guilty...you don't have a chance...everybody stacks shit against you, cause they gotta win

The reason to not have a death penalty

 

[BoyNextDoor]

They need a new state slogan:

"Indiana, the Florida of the Midwest"


About the case itself I'd say prevention is the real remedy. All those that favor laws like these seem to be the same that want to defund Planned Parenthood.

 

[warrior queen]

Surely this will get overturned on appeal?!