Prisoner Abuse and the Rot of American Culture

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Prisoner abuse and the rot of American culture

Rebecca Hagelin (archive)

May 12, 2004 |

Every decent person I know has reacted in horror to the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners in Al Ghraib prison near Baghdad. When the lewd photos emerged of American soldiers forcing prisoners to engage in sexual acts, and leading them around on leashes with hoods over their heads, and threatening them with electrocution, people were speechless and horrified.

We should be enraged and demand that those involved be severely punished. We must also remember that the vast majority of our brave soldiers are decent human beings who have been willing to sacrifice their very lives to secure freedom for others.

But should we be shocked that some Americans are capable of such barbaric behavior as depicted in the infamous photos? Consider:
Pornography is the No. 1 Internet industry – No. 1. There are well over 300,000 Internet porn sites.


American consumers spent an estimated $220 million at such fee-based "adult" sites in 2001, according to Jupiter Media Metrix, a New York Internet research firm. That was up from $148 million in 1999. Jupiter is projecting $320 million by 2005.


A comprehensive 2-year study by Alexa Research, a leading Web intelligence and traffic-measurement service, has revealed "sex" was the most popular term for which people searched. According to their online searching habits, people want "sex" more than they want "games," "music," "travel," "jokes," "cars," "jobs," "weather" and "health" combined.


A nationwide survey of 1,031 adults conducted by Zogby International and Focus on the Family on March 8-10, 2000, found that "20 percent of respondents – which extrapolates to 40 million adults – admitted visiting a sexually-oriented website. According to the Nielsen Net ratings, 17.5 million surfers visited porn sites from their homes in January of 2000 – a 40 percent increase compared with September of 1999."


Pornography websites earned $1.5 billion in 1999 and more than $2 billion in 2000.


According to a 2001 report by the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Public Education, "by the time adolescents graduate from high school, they will have spent 15,000 hours watching television, compared with 12,000 hours spent in the classroom ... American media are thought to be the most sexually suggestive in the Western hemisphere. The average American adolescent will view nearly 14,000 sexual references per year, yet only 165 of these references deal with birth-control, self-control, abstinence or the risk of pregnancy or STDs."


The 2001 pediatric report also said that "56 percent of all programs on American television were found to contain sexual content. The so-called "family hour" of prime-time television (8:00 to 9:00 p.m.) contains on average more than eight sexual incidents, which is more than 4 times what it contained in 1976. Nearly one third of family-hour shows contain sexual references ..."

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. The military experts are right when they say we need to discuss how we administer prisons, how we handle foreign detainees and how complaints travel up and down the chain of command. The average soldier receives three hours of training a year on the Geneva Conventions regarding the proper treatment of prisoners of war. Is it possible to deprogram and reprogram soldiers – who come from a culture living the above statistics – in three hours a year?

A recent poll says Americans aren't even overly ashamed of what has gone on. Why? "People out in the hinterlands can keep the perspective of the big picture," the pollster told U.S. News magazine. Oh yeah? What is the big picture? That "everyone does it"? That this was mistreatment, not torture? That these were mere "fraternity pranks"? That the Iraqis are doing far worse to each other and to our soldiers?

Forget defending it. It's indefensible. Since the photos were seen 'round the world, very few folks 'round the world now view America as the country that liberated the Iraqis from Saddam, that rebuilt roads, schools and power stations. They see America as the country that engaged in the exact reprehensible behavior we said we were going to Iraq to stop.

But, with the non-judgmental, sex-crazed, anything-goes culture that we have become at home, it seems that America has set herself up for international humiliation. Our country permits Hollywood to put almost anything in a movie and still call it PG-13. We permit television and computers to bring all manner of filth into our homes. We permit school children to be taught that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle.

We allow Christianity and the teaching of Judeo-Christian values to be scrubbed from the public square. We allow our children be taught how to use condoms in school, rather than why to avoid sex. We let these things happen. They don't happen on their own. While hearings take place to examine the horrific behavior that took place in a military prison overseas, it's time to take a cold, hard look at the degradation in our own country – and in our own homes. If there are problems in your home, contact the National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families, or Focus on the Family, or Web Wise Kids for help.
 
Hehe! Another political thread.
Wonder how long this one will last...

We permit school children to be taught that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle.

Of course we do.
Who says its wrong and why?

*sits back and waits for the games to begin.*
 
I find her statistics amusing, mostly because American entertainment is sexually tame compared to most foreign entertainment. We are however far more sadistic and violent. The number of explosions, bullets fired, swear-wrods beeped out during the so called "family hour" will probably put her numbers to shame. Also, I've noticed that she didn't site how she got her survey numbers and put no limits on how many channels she looked for her "sexual content." On cable over network and on satellite over cable, you're going to get more sex. This falls under "duh". And what does she count as sexual content? She fails to qualify.

But that's all the blahdeblah, blaming media and entertainment for everything and anything trick. 9/11 occurs, Microsoft Flight Simulator and movies that blow up landmarks or show the Twin Towers are yelled at. Columbine occurs, video games and Marilyn Manson are fully blamed. Mrs. o' Toole's goat died, witches (oh wait, now that's this paranoia's ancestor, my bad). Facts are thus, people blame the easy. No one wants to dive into politics, foreign policy, parenting, high school culture and all the little things that add up to produce our little moronic drone state because blaming culture is easier. Remember in the 80s how heavy metal musicians were attacked and brought in for a Congressional hearing over how "they were polluting our youth". Or how college was turning all our children soft and communistic during the 60s. It's the same cycle, again and again and again, etc.

In the end, here's my opinion on the idiot box. The idiot box gives us what we want to see, what we'll tune in to watch. Who made Survivor clones kill any attempt to make a new interesting and high budget show? Americans did. Because they're idiots and like low-brow entertainment. Now we have low-brow entertainment and we complain because surely Americans know better. The truth is we do not. We get the culture we deserve, we get the leaders we deserve, and we get the music we deserve. It's not the decline of judeo-christian values, it's the victory party of the brain-numb. The thinkers are all in the bar getting drunk till Ragnarok.

-Demonic Influence on your children incarnate :devil:
 
Pure, I am assuming that you posted this as a joke. Because I laughed and laughed all the way through it.

Some people are vicious monsters because of porn? Ha, ha.

Lucifer is closer to being correct. And he ought to know having thousands of years of experience luring people to do evil. It's not the porn, which is usually too clinical and boring to have any affect on people except make them anhedonic.

It's the romanticising of violence that's responsible more than anything. That and the fact that humans tend to sublimate themselves into the group they belong to.

As far as Ms. Hagelin goes, I'll paraphrase Robin Williams here. "Lady, you are more in need of a real good fuck than anybody I've read in a long time."
 
It is so easy to dismiss this kind of tripe as humerous or meaningless. To a critical thinker it's so full of obvious spin and lacks any credibility. Yet we, as pornsters would do well to remember this isn't aimed at us. Most of you, as liberals, should realize it isn't aimed at you either. Nor is it aimed at moderates or even marginally intelligent conservatives.

It's aimed at the 16 million plus member of the southern baptist convention, who just recently voted to withdraw from the world baptist convention, a body they formed almost 100 years ago. the reason? The world body had become too liberal, included gay friendly congregations, questioned the bible being the literal truth and had become anti-american.

It's aimed at Neo-cons, reactionary conservatives, and that small group of people who are anti-porn. It is written to pave the way for yet another faith based crusade by the Ag, this one to erradicate the evils of pornography. And if he is returned to that office you can look forward to a campaign against porn to rival the Meese man.

It isn't funny at all. It's a tiny sample of the kind of twisted, convoluted, "Moral" (read illogical) thinking that will come to dominate if the Far Christian Right retains power over the House, Senate and Executive. Should they manage to gain sway in the Judical branch, it may replace critical thinking all together.

-Colly
 
Lucifer would know all about the Far Christian Right as he is their major backer and source of inspiration.
 
I think we can expect the Christian right to have an impact in a number of areas. If you saw my posting elsewhere, Bush is trying to appoint women like Kuhl, who wants to trash Roe, one step from the Supreme Court.

I think some mainstream types of porn will survive; it's too late to get the toothpaste back into the tube, but SM, gay, fetish and other, not to say children and animals will likely be controlled.

I foresee a number of freedoms being 'lost' in the coming decade, but perhaps that's the topic of another thread.
 
Cited by Pure:

According to a 2001 report by the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Public Education, "by the time adolescents graduate from high school, they will have spent 15,000 hours watching television, compared with 12,000 hours spent in the classroom ... American media are thought to be the most sexually suggestive in the Western hemisphere. The average American adolescent will view nearly 14,000 sexual references per year, yet only 165 of these references deal with birth-control, self-control, abstinence or the risk of pregnancy or STDs."

I can't believe this would be true but it might depend on your definition of "The Western Hemisphere". Since "Hemisphere" means half the world, the WH would include everything west of 0 degrees longtitude and east of 180 degrees. The Eastern Hemisphere would be the other half of the world. That would mean the WH includes North and South America, most of England, all of Ireland and Iceland, a big chunk of France, all of portugal, most of Spain, and most of western Africa. I don't believe that American TV is the most sexually suggestive of all those areas.
 
rgraham666 said:
Lucifer would know all about the Far Christian Right as he is their major backer and source of inspiration.

Hey now, even I'm not that twisted. Those guys are in a category of evil that I won't even touch. It's that whole blinders to the self kind of evil you get when the guy on Cops says, "he/she was begging to be hit. It's not my fault." except in this cause, it's not only not-wrong but oh so right and ordained by the Lord.

As for what everyone said, wow Colly don't hold back. I'm not sure this is the start of a big anti-porn rally because well...anti-porn has been around for a bit. Ever since they dragged ol' Larry Flynt before Congress, or hell ever since Playboy came out, or even back in the 20s where they measured women's swimsuits on the beach to make sure they were of the legal length, or before that or before that. The paranoia of status-quo against sexuality has been an ever-present force and in every medium it arises in there has been a counter-attack. Remember how this same group was and still is against the internet because of the availability and pervasiveness of free porn? It's the same whole spiel again and again and whatnot. The same drums will be beat, the same martyrs will fall (Stern for now, maybe more later), and the same war will be fought.

After all this time, is anyone genuinely surprised anymore? I don't mean to be a sour demon here but "our children have been corrupted by (my) influence" for generations. Rock and roll, heavy metal, short swimsuits, miniskirts, internet, using fire (oh you know this was a daemon's influence in many's eyes). It gets repititious from a long enough viewpoint and in the end it really adds up to nothing. Short swimsuits? People wear bikinis and thongs on the beach and few if any care. Miniskirts? People think they're retro and inoffensive. 80s metal? People laugh at the big hair and high pitched voices rather than worry if its polluting minds. Rock and roll? Everyone listens to that now. Even the people who denounce porn (and what were most of those songs about? hmmm?). All except the kids, how sad, they're being influenced by a new devil music (bad taste :D ). Anyway, don't worry about the porn being attacked, it's another minor fracas that will claim few victims. The gays and lesbians have a lot more to be worried about than us Literotica denizens (excepting us literotica denizens who are gays, lesbians, bisexual,etc of course).

Anyway, that's my three cents worth. -Oh my word, The Evil (again) :eek:
 
I agree, gays and lesbians are very high on the list. I believe rights will be lost in coming decades, other than the basics of voting, etc.
 
As nearly as I can make it out, prisoner abuse and torture is a very fundy Christian thing to do.

I don't think a lot of fundies were particularly bothered by it.

Torturing heretics and burning witches has a long history.

cantdog
 
cantdog said:
... I don't think a lot of fundies were particularly bothered by it...

As Gershon Legman commented: “ Murder is a crime. Describing murder is not. Sex is not a crime. Describing it is.”

Pornography has always been in the vanguard, utilising new technologies, at least as far back as publishers of the 17th Century, the 1850's development of pornographic photography, ‘the stag film industry of the 1920s,’ up to our present development of the VCR by pornographers, as well as their adaption of the internet as an effective, anonymous delivery system for their materials.

People are interested in sex. They are willing to pay to have their curiosity satisfied. No matter what else differs, sex remains a constant. Attempting to repress information only increases interest.

Why else are so many fundy bible-thumpers called to witness against how Lucifer tempted them to dip their claw in the Tamborine to pay hooker fees. Or were they photographed going into seedy motels, checking if the Gideon Society still operates.


Rape is not about sex. Rape is about aggression.

Nor is torture about sex, it is about power, especially the power to inflict pain and humiliation.

People who resort to torture should be considered to be no more higher evolved than rapists.
 
Lawyer wants Bush on witness stand over abuse
- Reuters Limited.
Monday June 21, 2004.


BAGHDAD, June 21 (Reuters) - A lawyer defending a U.S. soldier charged with abusing prisoners in Iraq said on Monday he would seek to put U.S. President George W. Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on the witness stand.

Bush and Rumsfeld sidestepped the Geneva Convention in their "war on terror", civilian defence counsel Paul Bergrin said.

His client, Sergeant Javal Davis, was instructed on a daily basis to soften up Iraqi prisoners to obtain intelligence, Bergrin said.

"Bush gave a speech declaring his war on terror and said the Geneva Convention no longer applied," he told reporters after an impassioned address in the court room.

He accused Rumsfeld and other top U.S. officials of trying to redefine the definitions of abuse and torture in a campaign aimed at influencing lawyers at the Department of Justice.

Pretrial hearings are being held in Baghdad this week for Davis, Specialist Charles Graner and Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick, reviving notorious images of sexual and physical humiliation that sparked worldwide outrage.

The photographs of smirking American soldiers tormenting naked detainees at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison rocked the U.S. military when they emerged in April, prompting accusations that policies adopted in Bush's "war on terror" had encouraged the cruelty.

Davis is accused of abuses including jumping on a pile of prisoners and stamping on their hands.

"My client was not even instructed for five minutes on the meaning of the Geneva convention, nor was he trained to work in a prison. He was instructed on a daily basis by military intelligence and civilian contractors to soften up and loosen up detainees so he could save American soldiers from getting slaughtered," Bergrin said.

During Monday's hearing, the U.S. military judge handling the case agreed to Bergrin's request to question top American generals.

Judge Colonel James Pohl said Central Command chief General John Abizaid and Iraq commander Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez could be interviewed.

The U.S. army, keen to demonstrate it is weeding out the culprits, has launched investigations into seven low-ranking suspects in relation to abuse at Abu Ghraib, which U.S.officials have blamed on a few wayward individuals.

Pohl ordered the prison be preserved as a "crime scene", despite a suggestion by Bush that the building be demolished.

Bergrin said he wanted to take members of the jury to the jail so they could experience the conditions U.S. soldiers were working under.

"We want the court members to smell the faecal matter and the urine that service members who worked inside that prison and who are accused in this case had to live with," he said.

The hearing on Monday, at a convention centre built by Saddam Hussein, aims to resolve any outstanding legal issues ahead of the start of the court martial.

The trio have yet to plead. ...

© Reuters Limited



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