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Prison weddings for brutal crimes yay or nay?

Double down on the punishment.



Make the new spouse serve the term with the violent fuck...
 
It might have been more about some beaurocratic loophole in the legal system that She, as someone who knows the law was able to exploit.
I'm sure that most people felt nauseaus about it, but had no choice.

The Law can sometimes be so absurd in it's techocratical beaurocracy, and look what that generates.
 
Debbie said:
Recently a prison marriage gained notoriety in New Zealand.




https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/94...struck-off-lawyer-davina-murray-wed-at-prison

They even ordered in special food.



How restrictive should we be when dealing with criminals who haven't just committed petty crimes?

No special treatment. No marriage. NO conjugal visits?
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When a person is sentenced, they are sentenced to a specific punishment,and the penal authorities are allowed to enact and enforce rules that let them administer that punishment in a effective and secure way. So, first off, this guy was sentenced to a term in prison (Life? I don't think it says in the article). Unless he was sentenced to "denial of marriage" or they can give some reason why allowing him to be married would create a security problem, they have no right to deny him the marriage. That's not special treatment, unless the laws are very different in New Zealand from in the U.S., because unless the law specifically says you lose a certain right, you keep it.

So, he has the right to get married, but the wedding is another issue. I don't think they have to do anything other than let the two of them sign the papers. They don't have to get a meal or a conjugal visit or anything else. All that should fall under the prison's authority to set administrative policy.

The article is full of red herrings. Who gets to be best man is totally irrelevant. And any guests they are allowed have to be "approved visitors" which basically means immediate family and their attorneys. And notice, the "special food" will be prepared by the prison, so I wouldn't expect it to be all that special. So the story is a bit sensationalized.
 
MelissaBaby said:
And notice, the "special food" will be prepared by the prison, so I wouldn't expect it to be all that special..
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On a similar note:
beware of the next pizza delivered by the guy that you forgot to tip.
 
Allowing prisoners to marry, get an education, make connections with people in the outside world, maintain links with family and generally do things which people perceive to be enjoyable often doesn't sit well when the person has committed a violent crime. I think in some cases it can help give that person an incentive to reform, to better themselves, to leave a violent past behind - something that can be valuable even if they are destined to spend the rest of their life in prison.
 
Lascivity said:
Allowing prisoners to marry, get an education, make connections with people in the outside world, maintain links with family and generally do things which people perceive to be enjoyable often doesn't sit well when the person has committed a violent crime. I think in some cases it can help give that person an incentive to reform, to better themselves, to leave a violent past behind - something that can be valuable even if they are destined to spend the rest of their life in prison.
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The object of prison should be punishment. Fuck all of those benefits.
 
Debbie said:
Recently a prison marriage gained notoriety in New Zealand.




https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/94...struck-off-lawyer-davina-murray-wed-at-prison

They even ordered in special food.



How restrictive should we be when dealing with criminals who haven't just committed petty crimes?

No special treatment. No marriage. NO conjugal visits?
Click to expand...

I think it depends on what a society expects from incarceration. Punishment for the sake of punishment makes no sense. Punishment for the sake of deterrence makes some sense. If a society wants law breakers to reform and re-enter society, rehabilitation and civility make sense. There is nothing more important to rehabilitation than supporting family contact. If incarceration is for life, society should still support family relationships for the sake of the family and society but not necessarily for the offender. I don’t see any need for society to pay for weddings or conjugal visits which could result in children being born without one of the parents to provide support. Death bed visits should be allowed as a matter of civility.

If justice isn’t dispassionate, it’s not justice.
 
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