Primarily Picture Threads will be gradually reduced.

[jaF0]

Literotica is a site for authors to create and publish works. Some also post on other sites for money, but they gain no direct revenue from Lit unless they win a contest. A common complaint on the Author's Hangout board is about rights infringement of those works and there are tools and advice available regarding how to make a claim against another member here or other sites. Recently Admin has agreed to let Authors share links to some of those sites.

Photographers, models and the clients they work for have those same rights. Yes, as the saying goes, once it's on the web, they lose control to a great extent. But considering the nature of this site, it's less appropriate here than most other places to consume mass quantities of images and re-post them. If asked, it's unlikely they would agree to let their images be used here without compensation.

It's one thing to use an image off the web to punctuate a point in a post or to create a small story or caption. Many posters do that, myself included. Doing that occasionally isn't really a problem that will be addressed.

However, it's quite another to make it basically all you do to copy/paste thousands of them while really not contributing anywhere else on the forums. This will be gradually reduced over time. Consider this advance notice and work on changing your posting habits. At some point, those threads will be locked or removed. The more graphic and explicit ones will be first.

Note that there is a specific mention in the picture posting rules at the top of this forum against voyeur type pictures, those taken on the street or in public places without the subject's knowledge or approval.


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[twister947]

Clarity. Thank you.

 

[UnderMyKilt]

About time. Thank you. Maybe people can learn to "use their words" again.

 

[windwater]

Words Paint Pictures, Pictures Inspire Words.

Have Loved Lit for two Decades, as a writer and reader, and as a highly visual Human Being.

Please move cautiously.

Thank you!

 

[jaF0]

^^^ Used that way, they're fine.

 

[comegently]

Are we making a distinction between copy/pasting here, which uses Literotica server space, and posting a link to a cloud-hosted image, which does not?

 

[jaF0]

That's a grey area.

The policy is specifically worded to state uploaded to Lit servers as attachments, signatures, profile pictures, avatars, etc. But it also mentions overly graphic/explicit pictures.

Graphic/explicit pictures uploaded to Lit servers WILL be removed upon discovery. Graphic/explicit pictures hosted on others sites are not expressly included, but MAY be removed on discretionary grounds. I tend to leave them unless they're really over the top and possibly offensive.

The bigger issue is copyrights. Even hosting on other sites does not give a member legal grounds to post hundreds or thousands of images they do not own the rights to.

But there's also the notion of spamming. If all a member does is post pictures all the time and very little other content, something will be done.

As mentioned above; "Words Paint Pictures, Pictures Inspire Words." This site is more about words than pictures upon pictures, upon pictures, upon pictures ....

 

[comegently]

That's a grey area.

The policy is specifically worded to state uploaded to Lit servers as attachments, signatures, profile pictures, avatars, etc. But it also mentions overly graphic/explicit pictures.

Graphic/explicit pictures uploaded to Lit servers WILL be removed upon discovery. Graphic/explicit pictures hosted on others sites are not expressly included, but MAY be removed on discretionary grounds. I tend to leave them unless they're really over the top and possibly offensive.

The bigger issue is copyrights. Even hosting on other sites does not give a member legal grounds to post hundreds or thousands of images they do not own the rights to.

But there's also the notion of spamming. If all a member does is post pictures all the time and very little other content, something will be done.

As mentioned above; "Words Paint Pictures, Pictures Inspire Words." This site is more about words than pictures upon pictures, upon pictures, upon pictures ....

That's a good point. I for one never post pictures or movies of anyone else or even links to them

 

[Cindy027]

That's a good point. I for one never post pictures or movies of anyone else or even links to them

What about linking YouTube vids in threads?

 

[hub495]

I am aware of a thread where the primary contributor of the thread always gives their sense of the context of the imagery they are posting.
There is plenty of imagery in the thread, but it is always accompanied with a literary association to justify the mixing of imagery and erotic themes, that together one would process in a collective inspiration.

That's still cool, right?

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[comegently]

Interesting thread. My own point of view is that content should be original, including linked content on other servers, unless, for example, talking about news stories.
In earlier days of email, etc. an old friend kept sending me emails with copy/pasted jokes or links to them.
What I want to see is what the poster has created, not a load of "check this out" posts. That can be very tiresome.
Also it's frequently not made clear that the poster is not the creator of what they have posted.
Enhancing original content with original graphics/pics/movies is a different matter. Many of us commonly do that at work on Teams, Zoom, Outlook, etc. because it is much easier than it used to be to include images in a message and a picture is worth a thousand words.
There are certainly strict rules to be followed if actually uploading to this site - clearly there have to be - and considerably less strict rules when linking to externally-hosted content.
It's likely that at some point, strict age verification will be required, and in my opinion that would be no bad thing.

 

[Mrtenant]

Twenty+ years of people posting imagery, with context verbage and without, and now its a problem? Sounds legit tbh. I've read copywrite law and have a story here that has a copywrite on it. Pursuants of copywrite infringement has a process whereby the image that is violation is requested to be removed from the venue. Is that happening? Or Lit has to show some effort at self policing?

I can understand if images feature nonconsentual voyeur work. Devils advocate though, there are some images that are artistically designed that way and not actually voyeuristic.

I can also understand if there is any image that has someone under the age of consent whether in sexual context or not. That has always been a rule here on Lit that seems to have been lax here lately.

I will ask to please be careful with the kneejerk responses. Removal of some posts sometimes means they are gone forever and the poster may not be able recreate the post. Thank you.

Also...

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...ll-be-gradually-reduced.1582093/post-96744049

 

[NightL]

Copying then uploading a copyrighted image is illegal.
Hot linking a copyrighted image is a grey area as the image is neither hosted or copied to Literotica servers. In some countries the site hotlinking an image is not deemed liable but on checking I found:

GS Media, Case C-160/15, is the controlling case. Here, the court ruled that if a link (note it doesn't even have to be embedded/hotlinked) is posted by a for-profit site, that site is expected to have done its due diligence to ensure the linked content is hosted legally. Therefore, it is presumed to be violating Article 3, i.e., the burden of proof is on the link posting site to demonstrate that it had done its due diligence in verifying the legality of the linked content. So in this scenario, Pirate Site is presumed to be infringing on communication to the public rights (IPKat reference - WARNING: slightly NSFW image here, Playboy was one of the parties to the case).


https://law.stackexchange.com/quest...ringing-copyright-when-hotlinking-is-involved

While Literotica is not seeking to make profit from hotlinked pictures displayed in forum pages it will be viewed as a for-profit website for their online store and video streaming.

I maintain websites and a meme created for a client's blog years ago recently got hit with an infringement notice. Something silly, intended as a joke, and forgotten cost nearly $400. An image for an exploding brick wall to exaggerate the power of speakers was searched on Google. One image appeared many times from many sources so it seemed "well if everyone is using this, I will as well". A legal document arrived representing a UK newspaper. There was a link to the original online publication reporting a robbery gone wrong - which indeed did have a copyright notice under the image. In this case the image had been copied and uploaded to my client's website and social media.

I would imagine most of the images shared on Lit are from commercial websites who potentially have the right to kick up a fuss.

 

[jaF0]

I would be taking out a lot more images if the rule was less vague. Anything with a URL or other watermark for example regardless of where it's hosted.

I also believe many images were originally shot for a small, private audience, maybe a swinger site for example and were never intended to be public.

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[BillTheKatt90]

I am glad I took the time to read this thread. It all makes a lot more sense now.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

As a newbie, and a noob that gravitates towards the visual threads, I’m sure I’ve run afoul of some of these rules. Is the issue more with the graphic pics (which seems odd on a sexually oriented site) or something like the “Girls With Musical Instruments” thread which I’ve been a big participant on and tends to slew to sexy pics and not very graphic?

If the visual threads disappear I will probably disappear as well or at least cut down on participating. Mainly because i just have seemed to gravitate to that type of thread. I also feel an undercurrent of let’s get it back to “how it used to be.” Since I wasn’t here back then I don’t have a feel if that’s good or bad. I have seen some posters re-emerge from the way back and comment that it doesn’t feel the same. I totally get that.

Good luck on turning the Titanic around. Being a Mod is a thankless job but one that must be done. Thanks for jumping on the grenade for the rest of us.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Bummer, man. I cum for the pics.

 

[BBCfan]

I came here initially as an author, but frequent more now to share and view fetishistic porn with likeminded pervs. Also to have interesting discourse on a variety of my fetish topics. Would be a shame to see it be forced to be something other than what it's evolved into. If so I'm sure I'll find another community to frequent, this will likely go way of Tumblr.
For me I can only read so much, most guys are just way more visual so the combination of both here seems somewhat unique and special.

 

[BBCfan]

Literotica is a site for authors to create and publish works. Some also post on other sites for money, but they gain no direct revenue from Lit unless they win a contest. A common complaint on the Author's Hangout board is about rights infringement of those works and there are tools and advice available regarding how to make a claim against another member here or other sites. Recently Admin has agreed to let Authors share links to some of those sites.

Photographers, models and the clients they work for have those same rights. Yes, as the saying goes, once it's on the web, they lose control to a great extent. But considering the nature of this site, it's less appropriate here than most other places to consume mass quantities of images and re-post them. If asked, it's unlikely they would agree to let their images be used here without compensation.

It's one thing to use an image off the web to punctuate a point in a post or to create a small story or caption. Many posters do that, myself included. Doing that occasionally isn't really a problem that will be addressed.

However, it's quite another to make it basically all you do to copy/paste thousands of them while really not contributing anywhere else on the forums. This will be gradually reduced over time. Consider this advance notice and work on changing your posting habits. At some point, those threads will be locked or removed. The more graphic and explicit ones will be first.

Note that there is a specific mention in the picture posting rules at the top of this forum against voyeur type pictures, those taken on the street or in public places without the subject's knowledge or approval.


There are thousands of threads across several topical forum areas in which you can participate and share your thoughts and experiences. Try some of them.



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I would respectfully disagree...Literotica is a porn site.

It has a section for stories & pics, Toys and videos, Webcams, Personals, VOD porn and a Forum. This is not an authors only forum.

To suggest it's less appropriate here, than elsewhere to post anything visually porn related seems a tad weird and hypocritical to me, but everyone has an opinion.

So these grey areas surrounding pic posting, the powers that be decide who can draw outside the lines and how far?

For example, I often will post an image without words that will elicit a long private conversation, so drawing the conclusion it is one dimensional visual posting would be in error.

Just the fact you will be giving warnings and/or deletions based on your sense of too much or too little without any absolute guidelines just feels so against the freedom of expression and openminded sharing I always have cherished on this site.

I mean no disrespect to you personally, I'm sure it's a difficult job you do, but there is a very dictatorial energy surrounding this shift.

 

[KeenVoyeur]

I see the "Unshaved Amateurs" thread has gone the same way now ... presumably because some posters didn't follow the guidelines?

I'm guessing the copying of pics from other websites is/was the issue where "ownership" of the image is open to debate.

Sadly some people will not listen to the warnings - not just from the Mods - so we only have ourselves to blame

 

[jaF0]

^^^ That one got nuked due to too many closeups.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

I would respectfully disagree...Literotica is a porn site.

It has a section for stories & pics, Toys and videos, Webcams, Personals, VOD porn and a Forum. This is not an authors only forum.

To suggest it's less appropriate here, than elsewhere to post anything visually porn related seems a tad weird and hypocritical to me, but everyone has an opinion.

So these grey areas surrounding pic posting, the powers that be decide who can draw outside the lines and how far?

For example, I often will post an image without words that will elicit a long private conversation, so drawing the conclusion it is one dimensional visual posting would be in error.

Just the fact you will be giving warnings and/or deletions based on your sense of too much or too little without any absolute guidelines just feels so against the freedom of expression and openminded sharing I always have cherished on this site.

I mean no disrespect to you personally, I'm sure it's a difficult job you do, but there is a very dictatorial energy surrounding this shift.

You are respectfully disagreeing with how the site should be run by disagreeing with the rules set by the literal owners of the site. Feel free to take up your concerns with them.

Honestly, if we followed the rules to the letter there would be almost no photos/images posted here. The site owners are removing images, too, not just mods, and folks are losing the ability to even share images at the site. Literotica is a story site. The rest is extra and there are rules associated with it all. If you don’t like the rules, your issue is with the site owners, not the moderators.

 

[magic_rat]

I've read copywrite law and have a story here that has a copywrite on it. Pursuants of copywrite infringement has a process whereby the image that is violation is requested to be removed from the venue.

You have the issue back to front. If you (for example) take one of my fetish images and post it here without my permission, you are breaching my copyright and Lit is breaching by publishing it.

Copyright is not dependent on getting caught.

I'm all in favour of the new ruling. I find the 'image dump' threads dull and rather sad. I avoid them, I greatly prefer discourse to sitting having a sad wank over shared images harvested from porn sites.

When I first joined lit there was a huge number of user-generated images, and that's way hotter than anonymous models, no matter how hot.

If you want hot images, take your own; I do.

 

[Mrtenant]

You have the issue back to front. If you (for example) take one of my fetish images and post it here without my permission, you are breaching my copyright and Lit is breaching by publishing it.

Copyright is not dependent on getting caught.

I'm all in favour of the new ruling. I find the 'image dump' threads dull and rather sad. I avoid them, I greatly prefer discourse to sitting having a sad wank over shared images harvested from porn sites.

When I first joined lit there was a huge number of user-generated images, and that's way hotter than anonymous models, no matter how hot.

If you want hot images, take your own; I do.

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I am of two minds about it. I get the legality of it all. Truly.

Also, how is image posting here any different than Tumblr, Patreon, Bdsmlr, sex.com, instagram, pinterest, fb, imgur, or any other website that accepts image posting? It's not.

Pics get posted, and sometimes they have to be removed for various reasons. It happens on all websites that host image posting.

Also, Why is this thread posted up only here in the Fetish Forum? Seems to me the GB has much more active threads posting images than this. No one is over there fussing about it or any other forum except Fetish.

EDIT: Interesting also how the OP and moderator of this thread and forum violates the rules also. And cannot be contacted. PMs are turned off. So if anyone has a legit issue, this mod is totally unavailable. Wonder what that's about?

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/new-middle-eastern-beauty-thread.1581097/post-96320462

 

[Wifechangedhermind]

Clarity? Not so sure about that...

What makes your images appropriate and mine not? It would be your opinion that does that.

You don't seem to realize how many conversations, comments, and private messages are inspired because of an image. “A picture is worth a thousand words” is a saying for a reason.

I completely agree with BBCfan. Everything in his reply is spot on. This is a porn site.

I would respectfully disagree...Literotica is a porn site.

It has a section for stories & pics, Toys and videos, Webcams, Personals, VOD porn and a Forum. This is not an authors only forum.

To suggest it's less appropriate here, than elsewhere to post anything visually porn related seems a tad weird and hypocritical to me, but everyone has an opinion.

So these grey areas surrounding pic posting, the powers that be decide who can draw outside the lines and how far?

For example, I often will post an image without words that will elicit a long private conversation, so drawing the conclusion it is one dimensional visual posting would be in error.

Just the fact you will be giving warnings and/or deletions based on your sense of too much or too little without any absolute guidelines just feels so against the freedom of expression and openminded sharing I always have cherished on this site.

I mean no disrespect to you personally, I'm sure it's a difficult job you do, but there is a very dictatorial energy surrounding this shift.

Sincerely, D.