Prez Bush supports terrorists and terrorism

[Siren]

 

[lavender]

 

[Problem Child]

The entire war on drugs is an insult to the civil rights of every American, and should be relegated to the dumpster of historically shitty ideas.

 

[Siren]

GODDAMN IT PC

 

[p_p_man]

Those commercials are referring in part to...

the fact that now the Taleban are no longer in power in Afghanistan the poppy growing industry is blooming again.

ppman

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Those commercials are referring in part to...

the fact that now the Taleban are no longer in power in Afghanistan the poppy growing industry is blooming again.

ppman

You're right that the commercials are a thinly veiled attempt to play on the patriotism of drug users, which is sort of ludicrous when you think about it anyway, but the Taliban (and I don't know why you can't fucking spell the word correctly, after so many posts about them) promoted opium poppy cultivation, rather than prohibited it.

Do you have documentation that the opium cultivation is increasing now or is this just your ill-informed opinion, formulated as another jab against the war effort?

 

[Guest]

Vote Clinton. He'll legalize drugs!

 

[Problem Child]

Vote Clinton. He'll legalize drugs!

Well, he had his chance for eight years, and even though he smoked the shit and said towards the end of his administration that he thought it should be legalized, he never had the balls to do anything about it.

And pp, I did a search on opium growing in afghanistan and learned that the Taliban banned the growing of poppies in 1999, after they had previously defended the practice of growing poppies as one of the few money-making exports they still had. I stand corrected on that point, however the current administration has said they will try to eliminate poppy growing. We'll see how that goes.

Personally, I'll take the elimination of the Taliban over the control of opium any day, but go ahead and flame me if you want- I was wrong.

I think they should grow all the damn poppies they want. It's a consumption problem, not a production problem.

 

[Spinaroonie]

President Bush has always been in support of terrorism

He has a family link to Bin Laden (Thank god he's not foreign, then under his own plan he'd be held with out a trial)
http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/family_link.htm?in_article_id=74355&in_page_id=1263

Another source (Real Audio)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/latest.ram

So does his father
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0141/gray.php

Bush has done buisness with BinLaden
http://judicialwatch.org/press_release.asp?pr_id=1624

Bush suspiciously took federal agents off of the BinLaden trail right before the attacks
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=0
http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/Bush_Took_CIA_off.htm?art_id=1030259305

Government relief agencies were supiciously in New York the day before the attacks (RAM)
http://www.infowars.com/audio/fema.ram

Now here are some more various Gov't involvement and prior knowledge. It's pretty bad.
http://infowars.com/saved pages/terrorists/CIA Cited Risk Before Attack.htm
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/913687.html
http://infowars.com/saved pages/Pri...01Sep22&node=nation/specials/attacked/archive
http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/us_planned_attack.htm
http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/india_reacts.htm
http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529_asp.htm?0cb=-21524124
http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529_asp.htm
http://www.msnbc.com/news/629406.asp
http://hindustantimes.com/nonfram/081201/dlame10.asp
http://infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/bush_cipro.htm

 

[Guest]

Clinton was pres?

Wow that was some good shit I smoked

 

[Problem Child]

sd412

I read a few of the articles you linked, and can't find any evidence that dubbya supports terrorism. I see where the Bush family had some business dealings with the Bin-Laden family, one of the most respected business families in the Mid-east.

I see where the U.S. had been planning possible strikes against Bin Laden in Afghanistan...sort of exactly the way Bill Clinton did.

I don't see anywhere that Bush knew about, or promoted the attack on 9/11, which is what you are implying. The journalism in these articles is related to the 9/11 attacks but says nothing about Bush supporting or knowing about them beforehand, or else it's so fucking yellow and uncorroborated it makes the Clintons-killed-Vince Foster stories look like pulitzer prize winners.

Perhaps you can point me toward the article that has the proof, because I really don't have all night to read all of them.

Thanks.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Those commercials are referring in part to...

but the Taliban (and I don't know why you can't fucking spell the word correctly, after so many posts about them) promoted opium poppy cultivation, rather than prohibited it.

Do you have documentation that the opium cultivation is increasing now or is this just your ill-informed opinion, formulated as another jab against the war effort?

As printed in the London Times:

"Father snubbed as 'US Taleban' denies guilt
By Roland Watson

THE families of two Americans whose destinies crossed in heroism and infamy on the battlefields of Afghanistan clashed in court yesterday.
John Lindh, the father of Johnny Walker, “the American Taleban”, tried to shake hands with Johnny Spann, whose son was the first American combat death of the war."

From the New York Times:

"A NATION CHALLENGED: THE DRUGS; Afghanistan Issues Order Taking Hard Line on Opium Production

January 17, 2002, Thursday


By SERGE SCHMEMANN (NYT) 329 words

"Afghanistan's interim leader Hamid Karzai issues decree banning cultivation of opium poppies, reviving struggle previously waged by Taliban against country's most lucrative crop; without army or police force, it is unlikely Karzai will be able to enforce decree in serious way; his order comes days before donor countries are set to gather in Tokyo to pledge reconstruction aid to Afghanistan; Karzai will seek help for crop-substitution programs to encourage farmers to abandon poppies"

You really walk into these don't you?

How you got the idea that the TalEban "promoted" poppy growing, I've no idea.

But I do suggest that instead of challenging everything I write (which is always backed up by researched facts), you take a leaf out of my book before engaging your brain...

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Those commercials are referring in part to...

You really walk into these don't you?

How you got the idea that the TalEban "promoted" poppy growing, I've no idea.

But I do suggest that instead of challenging everything I write (which is always backed up by researched facts), you take a leaf out of my book before engaging your brain...

ppman

I was going to edit this section out, but on Problem Child's invitation, I haven't...

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Re: Re: Those commercials are referring in part to...

double post.

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Re: Re: Those commercials are referring in part to...

By SERGE SCHMEMANN (NYT) 329 words

"Afghanistan's interim leader Hamid Karzai issues decree banning cultivation of opium poppies, reviving struggle previously waged by Taliban against country's most lucrative crop; without army or police force, it is unlikely Karzai will be able to enforce decree in serious way; his order comes days before donor countries are set to gather in Tokyo to pledge reconstruction aid to Afghanistan; Karzai will seek help for crop-substitution programs to encourage farmers to abandon poppies"

You really walk into these don't you?

How you got the idea that the TalEban "promoted" poppy growing, I've no idea.

But I do suggest that instead of challenging everything I write (which is always backed up by researched facts), you take a leaf out of my book before engaging your brain...

ppman

I got it here.

According to the U.N., 200,000 farmers produced 2,800 tons of dry opium in Afghanistan last year, about 25% more than in 1996. The opium--and heroin, which is manufactured from opium in clandestine, makeshift labs--is officially taxed, generating as much as $20 million a year in revenue. Until alternative crops can be introduced, Taliban officials argue, poppy cultivation is an economic necessity for the war-ravaged country's desperately poor farmers. Afghanistan is currently the world's largest producer of illicit opiates, according to the U.N., as well as the source of about 80% of Europe's heroin market and 15% to 20% of North America's.

http://www.rawa.org/opium.htm

and here

The motives for the Taliban's ban on cultivation remain unknown, with explanations ranging from sudden religious scruples about the drug trade to a desire to maximize profits on existing stockpiles. Previously, the Taliban had taxed the annual opium harvest as a substantial source of revenue and permitted the export of drugs abroad, though it banned their use at home.


http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2002/03/07032002092826.asp

Sure sounds like promotion to me, prior to the ban.

I admitted I was wrong about the ban. Get over yourself.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Those commercials are referring in part to...

I admitted I was wrong about the ban. Get over yourself.

I have.

I don't know what rawa.org is and the segment doesn't give any real details. Anyone can say "According to the UN..."

but I can go with the second link...

But it does open a new avenue of thought. If the Taleban's only source of revenue was poppy growing, and the new Government has less to work with, will they too allow the export of drugs to keep their economy afloat.

Bush hasn't given them the aid they wanted and I'm not sure anyone else has either...

ppman

 

[Problem Child]

RAWA is a political/social organization of Afghan women struggling for peace, freedom, democracy and women's rights in fundamentalism-blighted Afghanistan. (copied from their website)

They have done some pretty incredible work in the struggle for women's rights in the Taliban ruled Afghanistan.

http://www.rawa.org/

 

[lavender]

 

[p_p_man]

RAWA is a political/social organization of Afghan women struggling for peace, freedom, democracy and women's rights in fundamentalism-blighted Afghanistan. (copied from their website)

They have done some pretty incredible work in the struggle for women's rights in the Taliban ruled Afghanistan.

http://www.rawa.org/

OK I think I remember them now.

There was a TV Documentary based on a Western journalist's article called, I think, "The Face Behind the Veil" and it covered women who were running illegal schools, holding illegal meetings and continuing, as much as they could, the work of womens' rights under the Taliban (spelt the American way in deference to yourself)...

I think it's the same group...

ppman

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

These ads definitely don't make much sense. Most drug profits in the 3rd world don't go to radicals but help prop up governments. Afghanistan seemed to be one of the exceptions where the ruling party was in bed with terrorism, but on the whole these ads are trying to tie together two issues that don't have a whole lot to do with each other.

 

[Problem Child]

Good Lord, Lavy is my groupie and ppman is showing me deference in spelling.

I think I'll just kill myself now, because it can't get any better than this.

heh.

 

[Spinaroonie]

The problem with the best arguements is that they don't come from the actuall press like my first crop of links. But here's some good stuff with cited media links:

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-3.htm
http://www.rense.com/general18/atcd.htm

 

[Siren]

you forgot to add

 

[Problem Child]

Now that's bitchin', sirenie.


sd412, get a grip. The emperor has no clothes dot-fucking com? Are you serious?

Jeff Rense is straight off the Art Bell show. Try again.

 

[Siren]

Hahahaha