Pre-meditated, failed murder attempt?

[Intrigued42]

Not an attorney. Just an observer, so I know not of what I'm asking and would like expert counsel. Sure seems like the attempt to set up Pence was a clearly defined effort by an extremely stable genius, to have him assassinated by a pre-groomed mob. Thoughts?

 

[Intrigued42]

Guess it was obvious to me. Also, a current legislator and former prosecutor:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550286382177951749

 

[butters]

something being 'clear' and legally provable are 2 different animals

personally, i don't think t set out to kill pence because he thought pence would cave, having been his yes-man for years. It wasn't till he refused to comply with an illegal request that t sent the crowd after him with a vengeance. Even then, he's less likely intent on pence's murder than being indifferent to the outcome of his actions. If pence died, oh well... if he lived, well he'd never see political power again (as far as t's concerned). reckless and willful endangerment is a more likely charge, no?

 

[Rightguide]

Eric Swalwell is and has always been a gratuitous liar who was compromised by a Chinese communist spy. He has zero credibility.

 

[Intrigued42]

You're probably right. Sometimes I think t has little concept of how many people actually hang on his words and how incendiary those words can/could be in certain circles. Scary stuff but Fred Drumpf and Roy Cohn taught The Donald well and he turned out to be a Teflon Don imho. The intent or pre-meditation would probably very difficult to prove, legally. Reckless/willful endangerment sounds more accurate.

 

[butters]

You're probably right. Sometimes I think t has little concept of how many people actually hang on his words and how incendiary those words can/could be in certain circles. Scary stuff but Fred Drumpf and Roy Cohn taught The Donald well and he turned out to be a Teflon Don imho. The intent or pre-meditation would probably very difficult to prove, legally. Reckless/willful endangerment sounds more accurate.

the thing is, as enraged as t was, he may well have hoped the crowd would rid the world of pence. but proving it... yeah, that'd be tough

 

[phrodeau]

Trump could fire anyone else, but Pence he couldn’t.

 

[butters]

Trump could fire anyone else, but Pence he couldn’t.

ah! for some reason i didn't know that. still a lot about american politics that is unknown to me, so i value all relevant factual input



so the only way to get rid of pence as veep would be impeachment (other than the whole main election thing where t lost)?

 

[Intrigued42]

To get rid of a veep would require impeachment by the House of Representatives and a 2/3 majority of the senators. The office could, of course, be vacated by the veep if something happened to the President and s/he rose to the Presidency at that time. Can't be fired, though!

 

[butters]

To get rid of a veep would require impeachment by the House of Representatives and a 2/3 majority of the senators. The office could, of course, be vacated by the veep if something happened to the President and s/he rose to the Presidency at that time. Can't be fired, though!

thanks

 

[Intrigued42]

thanks

Glad to clarify. Some research, afterward, turned up some more interesting information about the office of the US Vice President (interesting to me, at least):

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog...president-resigns-and-nobody-takes-his-place/

 

[Rightguide]

You're probably right. Sometimes I think t has little concept of how many people actually hang on his words and how incendiary those words can/could be in certain circles. Scary stuff but Fred Drumpf and Roy Cohn taught The Donald well and he turned out to be a Teflon Don imho. The intent or pre-meditation would probably very difficult to prove, legally. Reckless/willful endangerment sounds more accurate.

The best Trump-hating prosecutors the DOJ had couldn't pin a thing on Trump. It was all bullshit designed to destroy him and his presidency.

 

[Intrigued42]

The best Trump-hating prosecutors the DOJ had couldn't pin a thing on Trump. It was all bullshit designed to destroy him and his presidency.

Hmm. Okay. Don't know you but I get your style from your two posts here. Might I ask where you usually get your news and analysis?

 

[Dribble]

Trump is a retard. He isn't smart enough to even think of something that complicated

 

[Rightguide]

Hmm. Okay. Don't know you but I get your style from your two posts here. Might I ask where you usually get your news and analysis?

Voraciously reading available data associated with the subject matter at hand, government reports, news articles, published papers, and research material with the rigor and discipline a university graduate level education provides.

 

[lovecraft68]

You're probably right. Sometimes I think t has little concept of how many people actually hang on his words and how incendiary those words can/could be in certain circles. Scary stuff but Fred Drumpf and Roy Cohn taught The Donald well and he turned out to be a Teflon Don imho. The intent or pre-meditation would probably very difficult to prove, legally. Reckless/willful endangerment sounds more accurate.

We know how these things work, there's plenty of smoke, but where's the actual fire? In the end, like with the Russia probe, it will be just enough of not enough for him to skate.

And the left knows this. The point of these hearings is to set up two more years of orange man bad, anyone who votes for him bad, wahh muh democracy and that will be 24/7 up to the 2024 election. They are literally talking about nothing else, at least not MSNBC and won't change. Trump is to the MSM what Satan is to the church, he keeps them in business and keeps the idiots mindless and hate filled. And the media speaks for the dem party because they have no platform, policy, ideas, or anything usefull.

They have TDS and groveling before every "marginalized" group, promising them everything(and never delivering anything) telling them how they can only survive with them so vote for them. This is why the radical left exists, the dems refuse to tell anyone "no" they just let these lunatics say "Look I identify as a bird" and the dems say "Of course you are, and we stand by you, now vote for us you idiot! I mean...good birdie."

When your platform is we'll give you everything, let you do anything, combined with "look over there, Trump tweeted"...well its sad they have as many voters as they do.

 

[Intrigued42]

Voraciously reading available data associated with the subject matter at hand, government reports, news articles, published papers, and research material with the rigor and discipline a university graduate level education provides.

So, you are doing in-depth research using scholarly journals and preparing a dissertation? I'm curious about how you deliniate fact from opinion with some of the "news articles" as that's where so many seem to spin off-kilter. They like to find "alternate facts" that are not helping anyone to have a discussion that would promote understanding on two extremely opposing viewpoints.

 

[Rightguide]

So, you are doing in-depth research using scholarly journals and preparing a dissertation? I'm curious about how you deliniate fact from opinion with some of the "news articles" as that's where so many seem to spin off-kilter. They like to find "alternate facts" that are not helping anyone to have a discussion that would promote understanding on two extremely opposing viewpoints.

I form my own opinion based on facts revealed by investigation.

 

[phrodeau]

Voraciously reading available data associated with the subject matter at hand, government reports, news articles, published papers, and research material with the rigor and discipline a university graduate level education provides.

Yet you think that Marine Corps officer and lifelong Republican Robert Mueller was a Trump hater.

 

[butters]

So, you are doing in-depth research using scholarly journals and preparing a dissertation? I'm curious about how you deliniate fact from opinion with some of the "news articles" as that's where so many seem to spin off-kilter. They like to find "alternate facts" that are not helping anyone to have a discussion that would promote understanding on two extremely opposing viewpoints.

he exists in an alternate reality

his main sources of information would appear to be gatewaypundit, fox news, oan, qanon, and all the maga scumbuckets breathing each other's conspiracy theories

 

[Rightguide]

he exists in an alternate reality

his main sources of information would appear to be gatewaypundit, fox news, oan, qanon, and all the maga scumbuckets breathing each other's conspiracy theories

I'm not a democrat, so I do live in reality. It's a distant place from the fantasyland that occupies your inflamed and addled senses.

 

[Intrigued42]

I'm not a democrat, so I do live in reality. It's a distant place from the fantasyland that occupies your inflamed and addled senses.

You base your opinion on facts and, yet, lump all democrats into one category where there are actually six that range from super-progressives to moderates and conservatives? Okay. So, you're entrenched in the dogma spewed on the news services that butters cited for the most part? Most of your information comes from the far, far right pundits? Would that be an accurate take?

 

[LittleSwitchy]

They should have taken notes from the one/s knocked off Epstien. Hung himself yeah ok. The cameras were out around his cell, the guard wasn’t doing proper checks on prisoner on suicide watch, cell mate slept through it all.
SURE.

 

[butters]

They should have taken notes from the one/s knocked off Epstien. Hung himself yeah ok. The cameras were out around his cell, the guard wasn’t doing proper checks on prisoner on suicide watch, cell mate slept through it all.
SURE.

to be fair, bribes could as easily have been paid to make sure of all you mention to facilitate epstein taking his own life uninterrupted.

as to a cell mate: On August 9, Epstein's cellmate was transferred, and no replacement was brought in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death...ransferred, and no replacement was brought in.

 

[Chernosoth]

Maybe not failed. Maybe Pence died and nobody has noticed yet.