PPMan, you were right, The Jews are the REAL terrorists!!!!

[busybody..]

Oh, Im sorry, I just reread the article......its the MUSLIMS after all. My bad!

Be careful PPMan.....dont let them get you.


Ricin Find Puts Britons on War Footing at Home
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By Sinead O'Hanlon

LONDON (Reuters) - Britons, readying for possible war with Iraq as reserve troops were mobilized, were troubled by fears of a battle at home on Wednesday after the seizure of the deadly toxin ricin sparked fears of a looming terror campaign.

Anti-terrorist police said they were questioning six north African men after seizing a small amount of the lethal poison in raids in north London at the weekend.


As security agents worked to establish whether any of the toxin had been distributed around Britain or abroad, doctors and hospitals around the country were put on alert for symptoms.


News of the find came in the same hour the government announced the call-up of reserve troops for possible war with Iraq, although it insisted military action was not a foregone conclusion.


But that announcement was overshadowed as the specter of a different kind of war on the home front dominated headlines and the minds of ordinary Britons.


"Something like this ricin find scares me far more than thinking of our boys off fighting on foreign soil," IT worker Andrew Simpson, 30, told Reuters during an informal vox pop.


"But we are used to threats in London. The price of living in a major financial center is that you are a huge target."


Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon said the arrests were a "very considerable success" for security services but denied that Britain needed to work on defending the home front rather than attacking Iraq.


"It's part of our overall effort to ensure the world is a safer and more secure place," he told BBC television.


"Terrorism is clearly disturbing particularly when it is so close to home but at the same time we have an obligation as a matter of the United Nations (news - web sites) Security Council...to ensure that the threat posed by (Iraqi President) Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) cannot materialize."


Londoner Simon Birkbeck, 34, a financial web producer, told Reuters that many people were convinced action in the Gulf would lead to terror attacks at home and the ricin find only heightened those fears.


"If there is a war on one front, Iraq, there is bound to be a war on another front, home. It is inescapable, they are interlinked."


INTERNATIONAL ESPIONAGE


Ricin, which some experts have linked to al Qaeda, is one of the world's deadliest poisons and is easily derived from the castor oil bean. There is no known antidote.


Developed during World War II by the United States and its allies, it has a long history of use in international espionage but experts say it is hard to use as an agent of mass death.


The discovery is the latest security scare in Europe, where several cells of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al Qaeda movement have been found and many arrests made.


Germany, France and Britain have all issued warnings of potential terror attacks to their populations in recent months, with Britain thought to be particularly at risk because of its strong support for the U.S.-led war on terror.


Although fears of a potential chemical attack have swirled around Europe for months, this is the first hard evidence made public of the manufacture of a substance which could be used.

London police arrested three men in November amid reports of a planned cyanide gas attack on London's busy Underground rail system but the government denied such an attack was planned.

Inhaled, injected or ingested, less than a milligram of ricin would kill a 70kg (154lb) man, causing flu-like symptoms before death. Its best-known victim was Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov assassinated by a jab to the leg with a poison-tipped umbrella in London in 1978.

London police refused to confirm reports the six men were Algerian and said no charges had yet been laid.

A woman initially arrested with the group was released.

Michael Yardley, a historian of terrorism, told Reuters the choice of ricin suggested a desire to create a climate of fear rather than have any significant effect.

"An attack using ricin would increase the fear factor many times over even if the attacks proved unsuccessful

 

[busybody..]

Anti-terror Branch Police in north and east London hold six men of North African origin Tuesday after discovering ricin equipment and materials at Wood Green address

There is no antidote for ricin, which Al Qaeda-linked Kurdish Ansar al Islam is known to have tested in N. Iraq.

Ricin, used in the umbrella assassination of Bulgarian dissident Markov in 1978, also listed in 1998 by UN inspectors as poison unaccounted for by Baghdad

 

[busybody..]

I guess they will include England.....as well......those damn Jews......err, I mean Muslims.


Qaeda prepares bio-terror for US and Israel

Summary of DEBKA-Net-Weekly article of Jan. 3

January 4, 2003, 10:13 PM (GMT+02:00)


Biological, chemical tests on animals in Bayara, N. Iraq


DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence sources report mounting fears within US and Israeli counter-terrorism agencies that al Qaeda’s three command centers are preparing mega-terror attacks for US and Israeli targets. (To subscribe to DNW click HERE ) .

They believe that, for the time being, al Qaeda has foregone a nuclear, radiological or chemical option in favor of biological warfare, because of the weapons systems believed to have been made available by Iraqi military intelligence and already in the hands of three al Qaeda commanders: Abu Musaab al Zarqawi, Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ,nicknamed “the Mukhtar” .

Baghdad believes that a biological attack on Israel will act as an appropriate reprisal for the threatening US offensive and a possible deterrent.

To be ready in case Iraq launches its F-1 or L-29 warplanes, or Polish-made drones - all armed with spray canisters loaded with toxic chemicals or germs - over Eilat or Aqaba, the Americans have in the past week been shipping to southern Israel improved, re-engineered PAC-3 anti-missile batteries together with thousands of US Marines.

However, in the view of our intelligence and military sources, the more immediate danger to Israel comes not directly from Iraq but from al Qaeda and its biological weapons arsenal.

They say the Islamic fundamentalist group has established a headquarters at Bayara in the radical Kurdish Ansar al-Islam enclave of northern Iraq, as one of its three main planning centers.

All Zarqawi, whose full name is Ahmad Fadeel Nazal Abu Mussab al Zarqawi, aka al Khalayleh, is the senior bio-project director.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s counter-terrorism sources report that in November and December, al Zarqawi was spotted commuting between Baghdad, Bayara, Damascus and Beirut, giving the Bush administration its first direct proof of the Baghdad-al Qaeda terrorist link. It prompted the US President to remark on Tuesday, December 31, that “an attack from Saddam Hussein or a surrogate of Saddam Hussein would cripple our economy.”

Zarqawi’s senior officer, Abdullah is based in Pakistan - either in the port city of Karachi or near the border with Afghanistan, while the whereabouts of Mohammed, “the Mukhtar” are unknown. He may be in Bosnia or Europe.

Of the three, Zarqawi is the ticking bomb waiting to go off.

A Jordanian-Palestinian in his late 30s, he fled the kingdom in 1999 after he was caught plotting to blow up hotels hosting foreign millennium celebrants. He is the only al Qaeda operative known for certain to have undergone extensive terrorist training – including airline hijacking techniques -- in Iraq’s notorious Salman Pak special weapons facility.

Back in October 2001, shortly after the September 11 attacks in the United States, DEBKA-Net-Weekly reported that Bayara became an al Qaeda base complete with chemical and biological training laboratories run for the group by the Iraqis.

Our counter-terrorism sources reveal that Zarqawi was also in charge of the relocation of 150 to 200 al Qaeda fugitives from Afghanistan to South Lebanon. The group destined for Lebanon was consisted of hardcore terrorists trained in chemical and biological warfare.

Zarqawi has dropped out of sight lately, raising the suspicion that one of his mega-terror attacks may be imminent.

Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah is believed to be the highest ranking of the trio of al Qaeda commanders. Aged about 40, he is an Egyptian and member of the radical Egyptian Islamic Jihad, who since 1991 has been al Qaeda’s chief money man, while also active in shoring up the group’s worldwide logistical network and organizing operations. A year ago, after the US forced the main body of al Qaeda and Taliban out of Afghanistan, Abdullah took over as overall al Qaeda commander in Pakistan and Kashmir. Many intelligence sources claim that today, Abdullah is the top man in al Qaeda, but there is no proof of this.

Our counter-terrorism sources have unearthed two little-known facts about this mysterious and powerful figure:

First, he lives under the full protection of Pakistan’s military leaders and intelligence – the most senior al Qaeda operative to enjoy this status. Second, Abdullah was the mastermind behind the November 28 strikes against Israeli targets in Mombasa, Kenya, in which 16 people died, although the terrorist team on the spot failed to shoot down an Israel airliner with 270 people aboard.

This top al Qaeda commander has CIA and FBI officers in Pakistan chewing their nails in frustration. They usually know where he is and where he goes, but they cannot touch him because of the protective umbrella the Pakistani SIS extends him on orders from President Pervez Musharraf. This week, a Pakistani unit exchanged fire with US troops who apparently got too close to areas Pakistani military intelligence designated as off-limits. There were rumors at the time that Abdullah was in the neighborhood of the incident. The United States responded with a B-52 bombing run against the Pakistani contingent.

Our counter-terrorism sources can also disclose that, while an al Qaeda operative called Mohammed Fazul led the operation against the Israeli-owned Mombasa Palace Hotel and an Arkia airliner, Abdullah was the operation’s planner and supreme commander. He picked the terrorist team, decided how best to smuggle the Strela shoulder-launched missiles into Kenya and who would fire them at Mombasa airport,

Intercepts of messages between Abdullah and Zarqawi indicate it will be the latter is setting up the next big al Qaeda attack in the Middle East – mostly likely in Israel, Abdullah is putting together a large-scale strike inside the United States.

Al Qaeda’s third command center, known as the European HQ, is headed by Mohammed, or “The Mukhtar”, who is not authorized to plan or carry out attacks without approval from above – but his field of operation is major, covering such key European cities as London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Prague and Moscow.

Bush has good cause to be deeply concerned over al Qaeda’s potential for biological attacks. Two of the group’s most prominent leaders, Zarqawi and Abdullah, enjoy the protection and help of the formidable military intelligence arms of Iraq and Pakistan, the latter ostensibly a US ally but working behind the scenes against Washington’s global war against terrorism.

The US president has another worry: Saudi Arabia and Pakistan could end up aligning themselves with Saddam Hussein, should he succeed in persuading al Qaeda to dispatch its fighters to Iraq and locate the group’s command centers on its soil.

 

[busybody..]

Ricin
There's a report today that British authorities have rounded up several terrorist suspects in London - and that they had small quantities of ricin. So, what is the stuff, how bad is it, where did they get it, and what did they plan to do with it?

Ricin's a protein from castor beans - yep, the same ones used to prepare castor oil. The parent plant is sometimes used as a warm-weather ornamental, and used to be an industrial crop. The leaves aren't a problem, but the beans contain up to 5% ricin, which is a rather high yield for a natural product. It's quite toxic, although there are certainly worse things out there. Botulinum toxin, for example, is a thousand times more potent, but you can't grow anerobic bacteria very well in your back yard.


The purification methods for ricin are in the open literature, and aren't particularly challenging. It's probably one of the easiest toxins to isolate. For that matter, you can order various forms of it from biochemical supply houses. I looked at a few catalogs today, and it's quite cheap, by the standards of peptidic natural products (which are usually priced rather steeply.)


And what does the stuff do? Briefly, it's a very potent inhibitor of protein synthesis, which it accomplishes by attacking one subunit of the ribosome (the central RNA-to-protein machinery of the cell.) Rather than just binding to ribosomes and gumming them up, ricin is actually an enzyme all by itself. It tears up a specific adenine base in the ribosomal RNA, which disables the whole thing, and then it moves on to the next ribosome. One ricin molecule can turn over thousands of times, and needless to say, a cell can't lose thousands of ribosomes and expect to survive.


Ricin's a reasonably large protein, and it suffers from the defects of large proteins. The least dangerous way to be exposed to it is by eating it, since most of it gets digested, and much of the rest has trouble crossing from the gut into the bloodstream. In rodents, oral dosing is about 4000 times less potent than inhalation, which is the worst way to be exposed. The assumption is that if ricin were weaponized, it would be treated like anthrax spores and dispersed for maximum effect. The US and Britain carried out research that led to a prototype of a ricin bomb during World War II, just another one of many nasty weapons that actually didn't get used in that conflict.


Needless to say, there's not a whole lot of public data on just how toxic ricin might be in that form, and it would certainly depend on particle size, static charge, and all the other variables we learned about during the anthrax scare. We have a single public data point about injected ricin, though: Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian exile who worked for Radio Free Europe. One day in 1978, he felt a sharp pain as a stranger poked him with the tip of an umbrella. He began to feel ill within a few hours, and three days later, he was dead. A small pellet containing ricin had been injected into the muscle of his leg, as it turns out, in one of the more exotic assassinations known to have been carried out by the KGB. The best guess is that at most half a milligram proved lethal.


Which sounds pretty bad - but consider that terrorists are unlikely to be able to give masses of people intramuscular injections. And if they want to use inhalation, which is certainly the way to cause real damage with the stuff, they're faced with manufacturing problems similar to the use of anthrax spores.


It's not particularly water-soluble, so dumping it into a reservoir would be a waste of time. And adulterating food would be almost useless, although I've seen mentions of this possibility since the news story broke today. It takes a good handful of the beans themselves to kill an adult (and they have to be crunched up, too, because whole beans tend to pass unchanged through the digestive tract.) A back-of-the-envelope calculation for the pure toxin suggests that it would take a gram or two to reliably kill someone by ingestion. That adds up to a few hundred casualties per pound of ricin, but only if you can get all your victims to eat enough of it.


How worrisome is the news from London? It depends on how much ricin these people had, and what form it was in. I'm betting that it was straight precipitate from the beans, and not something ready to disperse for inhalation. In which case, the suspects were set up to commit retail murder. And not wholesale, fortunately.

 

[Baresall]

Like I said I would (despite your condecending remarks to me), I did a search of your posts. Very interesting view points you have.

Just a quick question for you Busybody. Do you believe all Palistine should be nuked and the population killed?

It's extreme to be sure, but it would end the violence there, I guess.

 

[busybody..]

There is NO Palestine

If you tell me where it is, I will give you an answer.

 

[Baresall]

Re: There is NO Palestine

If you tell me where it is, I will give you an answer.

I would like to hear your take on it then since everything I seem to read and hear, says that there is.

 

[crysede]

The title + first line were pretty funny, the rest is boring as hell (well I assume it is anyway, I quit reading as soon as it got boring). Didn't we have a little talk about these long, dull C&P's of yours? You are really failing to live up to your troll potential.

Now if you'll excuse me, there are some Babies and Flowers that need killing

 

[busybody..]

Re: Re: There is NO Palestine

I would like to hear your take on it then since everything I seem to read and hear, says that there is.

Well, there is NO recognized country Palestine.....contrary to what you read/hear.

 

[busybody..]

Flower Killer

The title + first line were pretty funny, the rest is boring as hell (well I assume it is anyway, I quit reading as soon as it got boring). Didn't we have a little talk about these long, dull C&P's of yours? You are really failing to live up to your troll potential.

Now if you'll excuse me, there are some Babies and Flowers that need killing

Yeah, poisons and killing by Muslims are old hat and boring by now!

 

[Spinaroonie]

BREAKING NEWS:

This thread sucks and you are a moron. El oh el.

 

[crysede]

Oh no doubt your quite correct, and the killing is very exciting!

However, the lameassed crap you keep C&P'ing is boring.

You need to find some better crap - you should ask Hanns where he used to get his crap, his stuff was kinda entertaining in the old days.

 

[busybody..]

Flower Killer

You must be an eXXXpert by now!

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: There is NO Palestine

Well, there is NO recognized country Palestine.....contrary to what you read/hear.

"United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 called for the partition of the British-ruled Palestine Mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. It was approved on November 29, 1947 with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions"

"Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in Parts II and III below."

"The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission, which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council.

ppman

 

[busybody..]

As of today, there is NO Palestine State/



Oh make sure you wear you body bags against the poisoms of the Jews.......I mean the Muslims.

 

[Kuntmode]

n/a

"Developed during World War II by the United States and its allies, it has a long history of use in international espionage but experts say it is hard to use as an agent of mass death."

It is a bit of a bitch when things come back to haunt you.

Much like how Saddam became powerful and a threat to Western interests in the Middle East.

Until Western nations, especially the US, learn from the things they create, they have no place running around the globe dictating to other nations and people about the way they act.

When you create the problem to start with, then maybe take responsibility for your own actions, rather than lay blame on those who use your own weapons against you.

Britian is now subject to the same things the US is. However, Britian is usually a bit smarter than the US in their tactics. They don't tell the world what they are going to do, then go and do it, then tell the world. However, under the guidance of the US, it seems they now have to play tactics of tell the world, sit around for a year, then go in when their enemy has moved everything, had time to dig in and build defences, and basically ship all their money to offshore neutral countries.

 

[busybody..]

You idiot......We may have invented it.....but we havent used it to KILL people.....

Next you will say that those that INVENTED autos are responsible for the traffic deaths.....

FOOL

 

[busybody..]

PPMan

Nice LIB you are.....

Ignore the thread title

and Obfuscate with blather

 

[busybody..]

Baresall

Why don't the Palestinians have a state?

First of all, the Palestinian Arabs do have a state. Its called Jordan. During the League of Nations Mandate period, the land originally set aside by the League of Nations as the Palestine Mandate was supposed to provide for a national home for the Jewish people. The British were given the authority to manage the Mandate and help the Jews make the transition to independence. Instead, almost 80% of the original Mandate land was carved out and arbitrarily made into the Arab country of Trans-Jordan (later renamed Jordan). In all the land of the Mandate east of the Jordan River it was "No Jews Allowed". West of the Jordan, the 20% part of the Mandate, the British restricted Jewish immigration and gradually adopted policies that were more and more pro-Arab. Palestinian Arabs are the majority of the population of Jordan even today.

All of Israel today, and the Jewish lands historically called Judea and Samaria (now the West Bank) plus Gaza are entirely within the 20% slice of the British Mandate left over after the creation of Transjordan. The British Mandate Overview page gives a table with the details of this geographical distribution of the Mandate lands.

In all of the history of the region, there never was a Palestinian Arab state. The Palestinian Arabs are not a distinct people. With very few exceptions, they are a highly mixed group of immigrants from all over the Middle East and even further regions: Assyrians, Persians and Romans from ancient times, Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, and Italians, Afghans, Kurds, other Europeans including Germans, Bosnians, Circassians as well as Egyptians, Bedouins, Algerians, Sudanese and many others who have been identified in the population. Most of today's inhabitants can trace their history in the Palestine area no further than the early 20th century when many came to Palestine attracted by the Zionist prosperity and, after World War I, the political stability of the British administration of the Mandate.

Palestinian Arabs have been offered the opportunity to create a state many times, starting with plans advanced during the British Mandate which the Arabs rejected. Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it. Over the decades since there has been plan after plan that would bring peace to the region and a state for the Palestinians: all they had to do was let Israel live in peace. Arabs rejected all these plans, up to and including at Camp David in 2000 and Taba in 2001, and kept the armed struggle going.

It should also be remembered that from 1948 to 1967 the land known as the West Bank, historically Judea and Samaria, part of the Land of Israel, was held by Jordan. During that period the Gaza Strip was held by Egypt. There were no "occupied territories", no "settlements" or any of the other excuses used today to attack Israel. But there was also no peace. Palestinians and the neighboring Arab countries continuously attacked Israel and worked for the destruction of the Israeli state. At the same time, there was no call for Palestinian independence or statehood even though it could have been done by Jordan with the stroke of a pen.

On November 15, 1988, a Palestinian state was proclaimed by Yasser Arafat at a meeting of the Palestine National Council in Algiers. This was the second declaration of such a state, the first being at a meeting in Gaza in October 1, 1948 during Israel's War of Independence. Both the Gaza and the Algiers declarations are largely irrelevant today, notwithstanding that the Algiers Declaration received enormous attention at the time. Since the PLO did not control the intended Palestinian territory, it was only a symbolic act.

In all probability there will be an independent Palestinian Arab state some day, but only after the Palestinian Arabs find leadership that is committed to peace with Israel.

 

[busybody..]

Baresall

Are the West Bank and Gaza "occupied territories" as Palestinain Arabs assert?


As a result of the Six Day War, Israel gained all of Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, Sinai, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank (historically known as Judea and Samaria). Palestinian Arabs often insist on using the term "occupied territories" to describe these areas, usually connected to the assertion that they fall under the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention. Yet, Palestinian spokesmen also speak about Israeli military action in Area A as an invasion, an infringement on Palestinian sovereignty. The use of both forms of terminology is a contradiction. If Israel "invaded Palestinian territories" in the present, then they cannot be regarded as "occupied"; however, if the territories are defined as "occupied," Israel cannot be "invading" them.

Israeli legal experts traditionally resisted efforts to define the West Bank and Gaza Strip as "occupied" or falling under the main international treaties dealing with military occupation. Former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Meir Shamgar wrote in the 1970s that there is no de jure applicability of the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention regarding occupied territories to the case of the West Bank and Gaza Strip since the Convention:

... is based on the assumption that there had been a sovereign who was ousted and that he had been a legitimate sovereign.
In fact, prior to 1967, Jordan had occupied the West Bank and Egypt had occupied the Gaza Strip; their presence in those territories was the result of their illegal invasion in 1948. Jordan's 1950 annexation of the West Bank was recognized only by Great Britain and Pakistan and rejected by the vast majority of the international community, including the Arab states.

International jurists generally draw a distinction between situations of "aggressive conquest" and territorial disputes that arise after a war of self-defense. Former US State Department Legal Advisor Stephen Schwebel, who later headed the International Court of Justice in the Hague, wrote in 1970 regarding Israel's case:

Where the prior holder of territory had seized that territory unlawfully, the state which subsequently takes that territory in the lawful exercise of self-defense has, against that prior holder, better title.


Israel only entered the West Bank in 1967 after repeated Jordanian artillery fire and ground movements across the previous armistice lines; additionally, Iraqi forces crossed Jordanian territory and were poised to enter the West Bank. Under such circumstances, even the United Nations rejected Soviet efforts to have Israel branded as the aggressor in the Six-Day War.

Regardless of how many times the Palestinian Arabs claim otherwise, Israel cannot be characterized as a "foreign occupier" with respect to the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Fundamental sources of international legality decide the question in Israel's favor. The last international legal allocation of territory that includes what is today the West Bank and Gaza Strip occurred with the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine which recognized Jewish national rights in the whole of the Mandated territory, including the sector east of the Jordan River, almost 80% of the original Mandated territory, that was given to Palestinian Arabs and Emir Abdullah to create the country of Trans-Jordan (later renamed Jordan). Moreover, the rights under the Mandate were preserved under the United Nations as well, according to Article 80 of the UN Charter, after the termination of the League of Nations in 1946.

It is important to observe that, from the time these territories were conquered by Jordan, Syria and Egypt in 1948 to the time they were gained by Israel in 1967, the territories were not refered to as "occupied" by the international community. Furthermore, the people living in those territories before 1967 were not called "Palestinians" as they are today; they were called Jordanians and Egyptians. (In fact, before Israel was founded Jews and Arabs alike who lived in the region were called Palestinians. The newspaper was the "Palestine Bulletin" and later the "Palestine Post" before becoming today's "Jerusalem Post", the Jewish-founded electric company was "Palestine Electric" and so on.) There was no call for "liberation" or "national rights" for the Arabs living there and no Palestinian nation was discussed.

No UN resolution requires Israel to withdraw unilaterally from the territories, nor do they forbid Israelis from going there to live. In particular, the often-misquoted UN Security Council Resolution 242 (and related Resolution 338) make no such demand or requirement. The demand that Israel stop creating "illegal settlements" is similarly baseless.

Under the Oslo Accords, the "peace process" started in 1991 at the Madrid Conference, Israel agreed to withdraw from the disputed territories and Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority (PA) was given control over land chosen so that more than ninety-nine percent of the Palestinian population lived under the jurisdiction of the PA. But the committment to Israel's security that was the backbone of the Oslo agreements was never honored by the PA and Israel was forced to periodically re-enter the ceded territory to quell terrorism. In 2000, Yasser Arafat rejected sweeping concessions by Israel at Camp David -- promoted by US Pres. Clinton in an attempt to reach a final peace agreement -- and the Palestinian Arabs turned again to violence with the Al Aqsa Intifada. That is, after the PA was governing nearly all Palestinian Arabs and a generous peace offer with international backing was on the table, the only response Israel got was increased violence. This is the sole reason Isreal continues to have a military presence in the disputed territories.

 

[Baresall]

Thankyou Busybody, it was an interesting read. I am still interested on your take however. Also, what of the christian community of the people who claim to be Palestinian? They seem to just want their own little part of the world where people will leave them alone.... or have i gotten that wrong as well?

 

[busybody..]

Bares

Ask specific questions I will answer.