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OH yeah,,,
It's true alright.
Seen it way too many times to believe that it is just a fadish name. One ex-wife who had two children, and sisters that have had more kids than I can count without help, aunts, friends. Nearly all had some level of PPD for up to 6 months after the birth of a child.
Folks that are doubting it must be in the minority of those associated in any way with child birth.
Tis often not a pretty sight,,, not at all.
BUT!!!! I have never seen it so bad that a woman would kill her kids. Me thinks that if PPD is used as a defense, then it's just a copout.
It's true alright.
Seen it way too many times to believe that it is just a fadish name. One ex-wife who had two children, and sisters that have had more kids than I can count without help, aunts, friends. Nearly all had some level of PPD for up to 6 months after the birth of a child.
Folks that are doubting it must be in the minority of those associated in any way with child birth.
Tis often not a pretty sight,,, not at all.
BUT!!!! I have never seen it so bad that a woman would kill her kids. Me thinks that if PPD is used as a defense, then it's just a copout.
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It's true......
Blackbich
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I believe it's a real disease but, like so many ailments that affect only women, it's being blown off. I do believe the Texas mom may have suffered from PPD but I don't believe she had it so bad it 'caused' her to kill her children. There has to be some other type of psychosis going on.
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I agree with BB too
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Everything is an illness.....
We're all dieing aren't we?
Of DSF?
Degenerative Systems Failure - due to aging.
We're all dieing aren't we?
Of DSF?
Degenerative Systems Failure - due to aging.
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depression
I am not a psychiatrist, but several people very close to me are required to take anti-depressant medications to maintain a fairly normal life.
The brain is an organ and, like any other bodily organ, requires the correct balance of chemistry to function properly. Depression is a general name for a whole group of disorders which are caused (at least in part) by an improper balance of brain chemistry (endorphins and seratonin).
One of the problems with depression is that it can coexist with other psychosis. A doctor can be treating the obvious symptoms of depression with medication, and easily fail to see a larger problem. My wife is very knowledgeable in this area, and believes this must be what happened in the recent Texas case.
I have a question that really bothers me. So many more people are taking anti-depressants now than ever before. You would think that if all these people have been diagnosed and are being treated, the suicide rate would be dramatically down. This in not the case. Is our society so much more "depressed" than ever before, or is the medical treatment of depression masking other problems? Maybe there is another explanation.
I am not a psychiatrist, but several people very close to me are required to take anti-depressant medications to maintain a fairly normal life.
The brain is an organ and, like any other bodily organ, requires the correct balance of chemistry to function properly. Depression is a general name for a whole group of disorders which are caused (at least in part) by an improper balance of brain chemistry (endorphins and seratonin).
One of the problems with depression is that it can coexist with other psychosis. A doctor can be treating the obvious symptoms of depression with medication, and easily fail to see a larger problem. My wife is very knowledgeable in this area, and believes this must be what happened in the recent Texas case.
I have a question that really bothers me. So many more people are taking anti-depressants now than ever before. You would think that if all these people have been diagnosed and are being treated, the suicide rate would be dramatically down. This in not the case. Is our society so much more "depressed" than ever before, or is the medical treatment of depression masking other problems? Maybe there is another explanation.
PPD is as old as the hills......
There is an incredibly sad story written by a woman who suffered PPD in Victorian times.......... It is called The Yellow Wallpaper but damn me if I forget who wrote it.
It clearly shows the signs of PPD existed in women, but was wholly misunderstood, and 'doctors' of the time worsend the condition with their 'treatments'.
Let me try to find this story.
There is an incredibly sad story written by a woman who suffered PPD in Victorian times.......... It is called The Yellow Wallpaper but damn me if I forget who wrote it.
It clearly shows the signs of PPD existed in women, but was wholly misunderstood, and 'doctors' of the time worsend the condition with their 'treatments'.
Let me try to find this story.
Ahhhh.......Here it is.....
You can read it online here........
The Yellow Wallpaper by Charlotte Perkins Gilman
You can read it online here........
The Yellow Wallpaper by Charlotte Perkins Gilman
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Starfish said:
The Yellow Wallpaper was written by Charlotte Perkins Gillman in the late 1800's. I read it years ago as part of a drama audition in college. It is a freightening story, and the ending leaves you kinda sick and just hanging..... I guess like depression is supposed to do. It is really a description of insanity... not necessarily PPD. But it is interesting.
Texan said:
Actually Texan, if you look at the reference to her particular frustration with the new baby, it is clear that this is PPD forced into isolation (by men whom were ignorant about this disorder) that lead to a state of inhanced insanity.
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Starfish said:
No argument from me at all, Starfish. I haven't read the story in more than 25 years. I just remember that the story was used by my speech department in college as a "real test" of a student's ability to dramatically portray a strange character.
My memory tells me that the story was really "slammed" by men when it first came out. Guillman had to write some articles defending her story. It was a serious pioneering work for women and for tolerance of mental illness.
Texan said:
Wow, that is an excellent concept for testing ones skills as an actor.
I can see why it would have been attacked by men at the time..
It challenged everything that men had percieved about a womans 'frailty' and her ability to recouperate with healthy diet and exercise.
It is a shame that this had to be the case for so many women in history, but thank to women like Mrs. Gilman, we have a better understanding of what NOT to do to a woman suffering PPD or other forms of depression.
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Thank you Starfish....
No, you didn't rant.
These are very reasonable questions.
I have watched a whole group of teens in this area, turn to heroin due to the hypocracy of their parents, and the inability or lack of desire to live up to ridiculous social standards presented by their folks, peers and tv.
You know, there just isn't enough land for it or suburban mansions for these kids to look forward to owning, and if there where, how are they going to afford them with the cost of living as it is.
The fact alone that you can't buy a house without first having spent twenty times as much you would have if you paid cash, on a bunch of crap, with your credit card to 'build' (more like purchase) your credit standing. There are other ways to build credit, like paying student loan payments on time, and such, but a lot of kids are opting out of debt, and working the many jobs that only require a highschool education.
I am not far out of the disenchanted youth phase of my life, and who knows if it will ever go away. I felt the bullshit pressures, and the desire to fit in, but just couldn't because I was so different, and didn't like what I saw around me. I relate to these kids and young adults. It is scary what kind of apathy can set in if it gets ignored by loved ones. Depression, is directly related to chemical imbalances in the brain, and thrives and perpetuates itself on self doubt and apathy.
It is silly what saved me. What kept me from impending self destruction, was, simply the Grateful Dead, and .....
This is not a religious group or a hippie commune...... Read it and you see this is a very large and serious uprizing of people of all affiliations, to move toward a more harmonious union of man and earth......
Unofficial Rainbow Family site
There is no official, because we don't believe in designating one site to represent us.
These are very reasonable questions.
I have watched a whole group of teens in this area, turn to heroin due to the hypocracy of their parents, and the inability or lack of desire to live up to ridiculous social standards presented by their folks, peers and tv.
You know, there just isn't enough land for it or suburban mansions for these kids to look forward to owning, and if there where, how are they going to afford them with the cost of living as it is.
The fact alone that you can't buy a house without first having spent twenty times as much you would have if you paid cash, on a bunch of crap, with your credit card to 'build' (more like purchase) your credit standing. There are other ways to build credit, like paying student loan payments on time, and such, but a lot of kids are opting out of debt, and working the many jobs that only require a highschool education.
I am not far out of the disenchanted youth phase of my life, and who knows if it will ever go away. I felt the bullshit pressures, and the desire to fit in, but just couldn't because I was so different, and didn't like what I saw around me. I relate to these kids and young adults. It is scary what kind of apathy can set in if it gets ignored by loved ones. Depression, is directly related to chemical imbalances in the brain, and thrives and perpetuates itself on self doubt and apathy.
It is silly what saved me. What kept me from impending self destruction, was, simply the Grateful Dead, and .....
This is not a religious group or a hippie commune...... Read it and you see this is a very large and serious uprizing of people of all affiliations, to move toward a more harmonious union of man and earth......
Unofficial Rainbow Family site
There is no official, because we don't believe in designating one site to represent us.
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Deppresion is a serious illness, one that many suffer from every day. Ive had to watch my mother go thru depression all her life, knowing that there is really nothing I can do, exept be there for her, which is the best thing I guess. It is something that they sould definatly state is a true illness, cause it is, thats the way I feel about it anyway........
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