PP Man, did your hero drop the ball?

WriterDom

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Not once, not twice, but three times???

But I'll agree with one thing. He does play a good saxophone. :(





U.S. missed 3 chances to seize bin Laden: Sunday Times

.c Kyodo News Service


LONDON, Jan. 6 (Kyodo) - Former U.S. President Bill Clinton turned down at least three offers involving foreign governments to help to seize Osama bin Laden after he was identified as a terrorist who was threatening the United States, The Sunday Times reported Sunday, quoting sources in Washington and the Middle East.

According to one Washington source, the report said, Clinton, at a private dinner shortly after the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the U.S., said the refusal to accept the first of the offers was probably ''the biggest mistake'' of his presidency.

The report said senior sources in the former Clinton administration have confirmed Sudan sent a former intelligence officer with Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) connections to Washington in 1996 with an offer to hand over bin Laden just as it had put another terrorist, Carlos the Jackal, into French hands in 1994.

But Washington spurned the secret extradition offer on grounds that there was insufficient evidence to prosecute him in an American court, even though the State Department at the time was describing bin Laden as ''the greatest single financier of terrorist projects in the world'' and was accusing Sudan of harboring terrorists.

In May 1996, bin Laden was expelled from Sudan and flew by chartered plane to Afghanistan via the Gulf state of Qatar, which has friendly relations with Washington but allowed him to proceed unhindered.

Barely a month later, on June 25, a huge truck bomb ripped apart a U.S. military housing complex in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American servicemen. Bin Laden was immediately suspected.

A second offer to get bin Laden came unofficially from Mansoor Ijaz, a Pakistani-American millionaire who was a donor to Clinton's election campaign in 1996. On July 6, 2000, he visited John Podesta, then the president's chief of staff, to say that intelligence officers from a Gulf state were offering to help to extract bin Laden.

The newspaper said it had seen an exchange of e-mails between the White House and Ijaz that confirmed details of the offer, which involved setting up an Islamic relief fund to aid Afghanistan in return for the Taliban handing over bin Laden to the Gulf state, from which the U.S. could then extract him.

Ijaz reportedly maintained that the White House destroyed the deal, which was to have been arranged only through unofficial channels, by sending a senior official to meet the rulers of the United Arab Emirates, who denied there was any such offer.

A third offer to help came from Saudi Arabia's intelligence services, then led by Prince Turki al-Faisal, who by one account offered to help to place a tracking device in the luggage of bin Laden's mother, who was seeking to make a trip to Afghanistan to see her son. The CIA did not take up the offer, the report said.
 
Hmmm...I wonder if Reagan would term his training of bin Laden, et al, as the biggest mistake of his presidency? Or if Bush Sr's order for the US military to take up residence in Saudi Arabia as the biggest mistake of his presidency? Yah think?

girl, thinking if we're going to lay blame, let's do it fairly...:rolleyes:
 
girl said:
Hmmm...I wonder if Reagan would term his training of bin Laden, et al, as the biggest mistake of his presidency

I guess you blame the Oklahoma bombing on the US Army's training of Timothy McVeigh? Or do you blame it on his public school training?
 
WriterDom said:
Not once, not twice, but three times???

U.S. missed 3 chances to seize bin Laden: Sunday Times

.c Kyodo News Service

Yes in hindsight it was a mistake but there were no grounds to prosecute bin Laden. He hadn't done anything. As far as everyone invloved was concerned he was a financier of terror not an active participant in it.

Even now, no-one has seen this famous proof that Bush claimed he has showing that bin Laden was to blame for the twin towers.

Clinton has at least admitted the first missed opportunity was a mistake. But that was said after 11 September. But many things can be seen in a different light in hindsight.

I think Clinton has made a mistake admitting it was a mistake. But after all he is a politician. I find it quite difficult to imagine Bush being quite so open about it.

:(
 
WriterDom said:


I guess you blame the Oklahoma bombing on the US Army's training of Timothy McVeigh? Or do you blame it on his public school training?

I do blame the military for Tim McVeigh. Never should a person with his mental instability have ever been a part of the system that is supposed to protect us.

But before you start in on me for actually going against your opinion,I also agree that yes Clinton could have done more. But why should he have? He would have been blasted for doing anything as we (the people) were not willing to do anything that was not pc in capturing him. It would not have been in his political favor to do it. He would have had so many groups blasting him for doing it,the press would have been questioning his every move,and with the other problems at the time,why bother?

His advisors are at fault. Presidents are just people who listen to what others tell them and they announce it. I dont believe that they ever think on their own. Taxes pay for others to do it for them.
 
Should Clinton be tried in World Court for attempted murder on bin Laden?
 
WriterDom said:
Should Clinton be tried in World Court for attempted murder on bin Laden?

It would be more believable if Bush ordered the bombing of Langley on the grounds that the CIA are suspect No 1 in the spread of world terrorism.


:p
 
WriterDom said:


I guess you blame the Oklahoma bombing on the US Army's training of Timothy McVeigh? Or do you blame it on his public school training?

I was merely following through with your thoughts. Inherent in your statement was the idea that somehow Clinton has a certain responsibility in bin Laden's ongoing campaign of terror. And that may well be true. But if you're going to point fingers and blame it on Clinton, you have a responsibility to go further and place the blame with all those responsible, and that includes both Bush and Reagan, as well. Picking and choosing who is at fault only shows bias.

My .02,
girl
 
Re: Re: PP Man, did your hero drop the ball?

p_p_man said:
Yes in hindsight it was a mistake but there were no grounds to prosecute bin Laden. He hadn't done anything. As far as everyone invloved was concerned he was a financier of terror not an active participant in it. . . :(
Gotta keep up. Bin Laden was indicted in 1996. Two of the offers of extradition were AFTER the indictment was issued.

But Clinton neglected to pursue getting custody of the man HIS ADMINISTRATION brought up for and got an indictment.

Keep up if you want to use facts. Keep on if you don't care about facts.
 
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