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Republican Wins Va. House Election

By LARRY O'DELL
.c The Associated Press


RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Republicans expanded their narrow majority in the U.S. House of Representatives Tuesday as Randy Forbes defeated Democrat Louise Lucas in a special election to fill an open seat from Virginia.

With all 239 precincts reporting unofficial returns, Forbes had 70,926 votes, or 52 percent to 65,194 votes or 48 percent for Lucas. Voter turnout was about 38 percent.

The closely watched special election was marked by negative advertising, racial tension and heavy spending by the national parties.

Forbes' victory in the highly competitive 4th District, which stretches from far southeastern Virginia to areas just west and south of Richmond, deprived Lucas of the distinction of becoming the state's first black female member of Congress.

``Hopefully this is a good win for the Republican Party, and it will help make sure that the president's agenda gets a fair shake,'' Forbes said in an interview after receiving a congratulatory telephone call from the White House.

Forbes said he told the president, ``We couldn't have done it without you.''

Bush and his mother, former First Lady Barbara Bush, both recorded telephone campaign messages for Forbes.

Lucas telephoned Forbes to concede the race and congratulate him.

``I was disappointed in the tenor of the campaign,'' she told supporters in a concession speech. ``But now is the time, as Virginians, to rally around our new representative.''

The contest between the two state senators to succeed Rep. Norman Sisisky, a Democrat who died in March, was widely viewed as an early referendum on the Bush administration and as a bellwether for next year's midterm elections.

Forbes' victory gives Republicans a 12-seat advantage over Democrats in the House. The Democrats hold 210 seats, the Republicans now have 222. Independents have two seats and one is vacant.

It also was a boost for Republican National Committee chairman Jim Gilmore, the Virginia governor, who could not afford to lose a high-profile race in his own back yard. The RNC pledged $500,000 to Forbes' campaign as the party sought to rebound from Vermont Sen. James Jeffords' defection, which cost the GOP control of the Senate.

``Randy Forbes' victory is a monumental win for Republicans in Virginia and nationwide, and a great momentum-builder for our upcoming challenges in 2001 and 2002,'' Gilmore said.

Each side accused the other of injecting race into the campaign in a district that is 39 percent black.

Forbes' campaign criticized a Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee mailing that pictured a black child on the cover and declared that ``12 million of us will be left behind'' by President Bush's budget.

During the campaign, a Forbes supporter was quoted as telling a white reporter that Lucas was ``working to get the people out to vote. Her people. Not Randy's people, not my people, not your people, but her people.'' Lucas' campaign chastised Forbes for not disavowing the remark.

On the final Sunday of the campaign, Lucas and her representatives visited 74 black churches.

The campaign's hottest issue was Social Security. Forbes, 49, supported allowing younger workers to invest a small percentage of their Social Security taxes in stocks. Lucas, 57, portrayed the proposal as a reckless gamble that could lead to reduced benefits or a higher retirement age.

Forbes is a Chesapeake lawyer and former state GOP chairman.

Lucas, who is from Portsmouth, owns several homes for mentally retarded adults but has emphasized her previous 18-year career at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, where she was the first female shipfitter.

The high stakes brought a stream of national politicians to the district. Vice President Dick Cheney and Rep. J.C. Watts of Oklahoma were among those who campaigned for Forbes. Lucas got a hand from Reps. John Murtha of Pennsylvania and Ike Skelton of Missouri.

The national parties spent an estimated $3.5 million on behalf of the candidates, mostly for TV advertising and much of that on negative spots.

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Yes that election was bad

I live in that area. Neither one of them were good candidates, so I abstained from voting. I just can't vote fore people that are that bad.
 
I am the board nutcase,
and I have to tell you,
If you do not vote every single fucking time there is an election,

then I will not respect you,
James Carville will not respect you,
Rush Limbaugh will not respect you.

If you care for America,

LEFT OR RIGHT

FUCKING VOTE!
 
Man Bites Dog, Film at 11:00

A-J, you are the next-to-the-last person on this board with whom I expect to find myself in agreement, but here I am...in agreement. People who somehow hold themselves above the voting process don't impress me. The excuse is always the same, "there are never any good candidates." Well, that's why we have those things called primaries (although not necessarily in special elections like the one under discussion, I admit) where you can, get this, PICK THE CANDIDATES!

If you don't care enough to vote, you deserve what you get.

Want to join hands now and sing Kumbaya?
 
Oh shit!

Now I have to find an even more radical way to get my very obtuse points across. Thank you very much sir! I mean that in a sarcastic way! Do you mean to undermine my position as the dumbest SOB on the board!

How dare you :)

:p

WHAZZUP!
 
PS

I gotta know,
who is the last person?

Is it Todd?

Oh please, let it be Todd!
 
Andra_Jenny said:
Now I have to find an even more radical way to get my very obtuse points across. Thank you very much sir! I mean that in a sarcastic way! Do you mean to undermine my position as the dumbest SOB on the board!

How dare you :)

Don't worry, it'll probably never happen again..*g*
 
But if it does...
I'll be there 4U!

I would die 4U!
and your point of view!
 
But if you don't vote complaining is easier and much more fun.
 
EvilBollWeevil said:

But if you don't vote complaining is easier and much more fun.

As my grandfather always said, if you don't vote, you don't have the right to complain.
 
morninggirl5 said:
As my grandfather always said, if you don't vote, you don't have the right to complain.

The old George Carlin joke is that the opposite is true: only those who don't vote have a right to complain, because no matter who's elected and what happens the non-voter can say "Don't look at me. I didn't vote for him. Blame the people who voted..."

I love ol' George
 
do you think

that maybe... people who don't care enough to become informed on the issues or the candidates.... really shouldn't vote....

I mean... the way people claimed to have voted in Florida doesn't speak too highly of the intelligence of some voters.... if a person couldn't figure out that ballot (my son's second grade class was 92% accurate in understanding the ballot) maybe they should just pass up the opportunity to vote... and leave it to those who care...
 
I didn't say they had to vote, just that they shouldn't complain about what happens afterwards if they don't exercise that right.


Actually, my grandfather's teachings took really well in this case, I don't view voting as a right, it's a responsibility. Part of that responsibility is being informed before deciding which candidate to vote for.
 
hello morningirl

I actually agree with you completely.....

I think everyone SHOULD become informed... and then vote.

No argument....

Only loosely related to this topic is what I see in Brazil. There, voting is obligatory. It is required. Not voting is a crime punishable by a fine.

What has happened as a result, is that a huge portion of the population who are uneducated and illiterate will vote for whichever candidate promises to do the most for the poor. The candidates NEVER follow through after they are elected, but each election... the process repeats.

Those who are better educated have grown to resent the poor and the candidates both. There is no trust in government by anyone. The people of all classes grow to resent each other more and more....

WOW..... reminds me a little of this country....
 
Re: do you think

Texan said:
that maybe... people who don't care enough to become informed on the issues or the candidates.... really shouldn't vote....

I've had the same thought, Texan. I grew up watching MTV's campaigns to "Rock the Vote", registering 18 year-olds to vote for candidates whose names they didn't know, much less their positons on issues (unless of course, the issue was the candidate's personal preference between boxers and briefs). ;)

The Supreme Court has ruled that literacy tests and similar tests to determine voter competency are unconstitutional, but in a way, public apathy towards politics is a kind of de facto literacy test. It weeds out those who can't/won't make an informed decision. As you say, do we want that kind of an individual involved in decisions that affect you and me?

Now don't get me wrong. I'm definitely in favor of universal suffrage, and nothing would please me more than a turn-out of 100% informed and motivated voters.

Short of that, though, I'm happy if they stay home.
 
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I love free speech and the right to bear arms against my government, and as I have done for others, I would do for you because I believe in Voltaire...



Iwoulddie4U!
 
There's a new theory...

Texan said:
I actually agree with you completely.....

I think everyone SHOULD become informed... and then vote.

No argument....

Only loosely related to this topic is what I see in Brazil. There, voting is obligatory. It is required. Not voting is a crime punishable by a fine.

What has happened as a result, is that a huge portion of the population who are uneducated and illiterate will vote for whichever candidate promises to do the most for the poor. The candidates NEVER follow through after they are elected, but each election... the process repeats.

Those who are better educated have grown to resent the poor and the candidates both. There is no trust in government by anyone. The people of all classes grow to resent each other more and more....

WOW..... reminds me a little of this country....

which is just starting to make the rounds in the UK.

The turnout for our election was the lowest since records began but now apparantly that is not such a bad thing.

Working on the principal that those who make the effort to vote have made the effort to inform themselves of the issues involved and those who don't haven't, then those who vote are more likely to return a truly representative Government as there will be less uninformed voters going to the polls.

Texan's example of Brazil probably proves the point...

I suppose eventually there will be just one fully informed voter, nominated by the rest, who will vote on behalf of the poulation.

That was a sci-fi story once but I forget who wrote it...one of the greats anyway...
 
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