Pornspeak

[TheWritingGroup]

I just noticed this in a story and thought I'd mention it: don't use pornspeak in your story, unless your character is actually talking about porn.

In the story, the protagonist refers to older, sexy women as "mature women". In a Literotica story especially, that says "pornspeak" to me. It's not something I can imagine actually hearing in a bedroom. (I await dozens of people saying they use that as an endearment all the time.)

--Annie

 

[alohadave]

In the story, the protagonist refers to older, sexy women as "mature women". In a Literotica story especially, that says "pornspeak" to me.

What is the approved verbiage?

 

[NotWise]

I just noticed this in a story and thought I'd mention it: don't use pornspeak in your story, unless your character is actually talking about porn.

In the story, the protagonist refers to older, sexy women as "mature women". In a Literotica story especially, that says "pornspeak" to me. It's not something I can imagine actually hearing in a bedroom. (I await dozens of people saying they use that as an endearment all the time.)

--Annie

What would you have preferred they use?

I've written a few stories with older female protagonists, and I don't recall needing the term, but situations do come up...

 

[WCSGarland]

I would have thought GILF would be more pornspeak than "mature women", but maybe that's just me.

 

[ChuckWolf]

I think the issue is is when a character in a story uses porn terminology, but it's OK if the narrator uses that as a descriptor.

 

[Britva415]

the protagonist refers to older, sexy women as "mature women".

Who is he talking to? What is the context? What is the specific in-universe reason why he shouldn’t talk about hot mature women in his city he’d like to bang with that terminology?

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Who is he talking to? What is the context? What is the specific in-universe reason why he shouldn’t talk about hot mature women in his city he’d like to bang with that terminology?

Exactly! Context is everything.
If 20 somethings Brad and Marcus are talking about their friend Jamal's taste in women I wouldn't consider it "pornspeak" for one of them to comment, "he prefers mature women."

 

[TheWritingGroup]

Who is he talking to? What is the context? What is the specific in-universe reason why he shouldn’t talk about hot mature women in his city he’d like to bang with that terminology?

It's pretty close to, "If all mature women are like you ..." He's talking to one of three older women who just seduced him together.

--Annie

 

[ronde]

Most women I know would take more offense at being called "older" than they would at being called "mature". Mature can mean a lot of things. Older just means "old", and "old" to many women means she's no longer desirable. Personally, I'd not think twice about telling a woman she's mature. That's not porn-speak. It's just a way of telling a woman she's grown up.

 

[ChuckWolf]

If the character is a gigolo, I could see him using terms like milf, cougar, mature chicks, gilfs, etc.

To him, that's just job-lingo.

 

[Britva415]

It's pretty close to, "If all mature women are like you ..." He's talking to one of three older women who just seduced him together.

--Annie

It's fine.

What's he supposed to call them? Grannies? Elders? Seniors?

It's a sexual context. There is nothing wrong with using this expression, even if it does happen to smack of "pornspeak". It's a sensitive euphemism which a guy with manners can employ in speech, and even if these three ladies are aware of "mature porn," they're the seducers here, so, it isn't like he's calling them porno ho's.

 

[Voyeurkenneth]

Another offense: "Hey stepbro, whatcha doing?"

I don't have step-siblings, but I don't imagine they call each other with the step label, unless it's mocking...

 

[THBGato]

My wife's older than me by over a decade. I've always referred to her as my "older woman". She hasn't divorced me yet.

I've never called her mature. Because she isn't.

 

[SinclairGroupLLP]

Another offense: "Hey stepbro, whatcha doing?"

I don't have step-siblings, but I don't imagine they call each other with the step label, unless it's mocking...

This would certainly be true in my case. I have step siblings and I only refer to them, when I refer to them at all, as stepbro/stepsis. Largely because I want to make it clear to anyone within earshot that I am not actually related to them.

 

[Dearelliot]

Not something I'd call a woman I'm in bed with, regardless of her age, or maybe anyone, except young people, a teenager, to complement them.

 

[SimonDoom]

I don't agree with the premise. It all depends on the context and the needs of the story.

The fact is that we get a lot of our vocabulary about sex from porn, so it makes sense, and is perfectly realistic, that in some situations people would use "pornspeak" in talking about those to whom they are attracted or in talking about, or narrating, a sexual situation.

 

[NotWise]

It's pretty close to, "If all mature women are like you ..." He's talking to one of three older women who just seduced him together.

--Annie

Outside of porn, that would be a pointless thing to say.

In context, the phrase tickles my gag reflex, not because it's pornspeak, but because it's shallow dialog. "Mature women" make up a huge segment of the population. Why would anyone speculate that "mature women" might all be alike? It's similar to "If all left-handed people are like you..." or "If all short people are like you..."

 

[yowser]

There's a witty comment in here somewhere about 'immature' women (who I distinctly remember having a role in my early dating history) but I lack the wherewithal to make it.

 

[iwatchus]

I was going to comment on immature women but I was afraid it would get the thread shut down

 

[KittyOfSteele]

If it makes you feel better, Annie, nobody speaks the same way people do in fiction.

 

[Actingup]

If I said ‘mature’ in ordinary conversation, I’d be talking about the maturity of a young person: their life skills being more advanced than their age. Otherwise it’s best reserved for cheese and wine tastings IMHO.

 

[lovecraft68]

Speak and write however the hell you want.