Pornography: An Intellectual Take

dr_mabeuse

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Herecomesthe rain forwarded to me an interesting scholars view on pornography by Laura Kipnis. The link is at the end. Here are two excerpts:

Pornography's favorite terrain is the tender spots where the individual psyche collides with the historical process of molding social subjects. Of course, neither the culture nor the individual have had their particular borders for very long; these aren't timeless universals. The line between childhood and adulthood, standards of privacy, bodily aesthetics, and proprieties, our ideas about who we should have sex with, and how to do it -- all the motifs that obsess pornography -- shift from culture to culture and throughout history.

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And yes, pornography is a business -- as is all our popular entertainment -- which attains popularity because it finds ways of articulating things its audiences care about. When it doesn't, we turn it off. Pornography may indeed be the sexuality of a consumer society. It may have a certain emptiness, a lack of interior, a disconnectedness -- as does so much of our popular culture. And our high culture. (As does much of what passes for political discourse these days, too.) But that doesn't mean that pornography isn't thoroughly astute about its audience and who we are underneath the social veneer, astute about the costs of cultural conformity, and the discontent at the core of routinized and civilized lives. Its audience is drawn to it because it provides opportunities -- perhaps in coded, sexualized forms, but opportunities nonetheless -- for a range of affects, pleasures, and desires: for the experience of transgression, utopian aspirations, sadness, optimism, loss, and even the most primary longings for love and plenitude.


Referring to the first quote: Are you aware of working at the "tender spots" where the desires of the individual butt up against the demands of the culture? Do you know what they are?

I know that's where I work. I work in the area where people lose their autonomy and individual control of themselves to the forces of their desires. The dirty little secret I like to play with is that we're none of us really in control of ourselves. That at times we even long to lose ourselves in one another and give ourselves up to our lusts.

Here a link if you want to read the whole thing. Thanks again to Herecomestherain:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/special/eloquence.html
 
Nice posting dr.

:rose:

(I'm having trouble with the link)
Added: Fixed; it does work; my pop up smasher unit gets overzealous sometimes.

I also liked this para of Kipnis:

As avant-garde artists knew, transgression is no simple thing: it's a precisely calculated intellectual endeavor. It means knowing the culture inside out, discerning its secret shames and grubby secrets, how to best humiliate it, knock it off its prim perch. A culture's pornography becomes, in effect, a precise map of that culture's borders: pornography begins at the edge of the culture's decorum. Carefully tracing that edge, like an anthropologist mapping a culture's system of taboos and myths, provides a detailed blueprint of the culture's anxieties, investments, contradictions. And a culture's borders, whether geographical or psychological, are inevitably political questions.
 
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Having strong opinions about erotic material, sexuality, and their relationship to culture, I'm sure I would have something profound to say about Ms. Kipnis' statements, if they had been written in English so I could understand them.

:rolleyes:
 
Interesting link Dr. M.

I'm going to think about it quite a bit today.

I'll post some more later, once I've put my thoughts together.
 
Interesting link Dr. M.

I'm going to think about it quite a bit today.

I'll post some more later, once I've put my thoughts together.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Are you aware of working at the "tender spots" where the desires of the individual butt up against the demands of the culture?

;)

I am now.
 
Hmm, wonder whether this thread will go irretrievably downhill before rgraham gets back to us...
 
The full ‘article’ was more coherent than I expected. For those who don’t look at it, it’s an edited excerpt from Kipnis’ book Bound and Gagged: Pornography and the Politics of Fantasy in America, and was used in a PBS special report on “Porn in America”; I’ll look at the rest of the site later.

Kipnis is an academic and writes up her ideas for that world. I don’t think she says anything particularly unique or avant-garde, but I presume it was used for the middle-American audience.

I liked these excerpts, how she illustrates her idea of “porn”. I presume she is examining the general view of porn, vs. "erotica"; it's likely she has researched the "porn industry" of film and magazines, vs. film and literature (though she states historically that porn can become literature or art).

Perdita

Pornography was defined less by its content, than by the efforts of those in power to eliminate it and the social agendas it transported.

But what it does do is to insist on a sanctioned space for fantasy. And this is the basis of so much of the controversy it engenders, because pornography has a talent for making its particular fantasies look like dangerous, socially destabilizing things.

Like any other popular culture genre (like sci-fi, romance, mystery, true crime), pornography obeys certain rules, and its primary rule is transgression. Like your boorish cousin, its greatest pleasure is to locate each and every one of a society's taboos, prohibitions, and proprieties, and systematically transgress them, one by one.

A culture's pornography becomes, in effect, a precise map of that culture's borders: pornography begins at the edge of the culture's decorum. Carefully tracing that edge, like an anthropologist mapping a culture's system of taboos and myths, provides a detailed blueprint of the culture's anxieties, investments, contradictions. And a culture's borders, whether geographical or psychological, are inevitably political questions.

t reveals to what extent "perversion" is a shifting and capricious social category, rather than a form of knowledge or science.

Pornography's very specific, very calculated violations of these strict codes (that have been pounded into all of us from the crib), make it the exciting and the nerve-wracking thing it is.

[T]here's the freedom to indulge in a range of longings and desires without regard to the appropriateness and propriety of those desires, and without regard to social limits on resources, object-choices, perversity, or on the anarchy of the imagination.
 
The Cambria List

Checking out the PBS site (noted above) I found this interesting info:

On Jan. 18, 2001, Adult Video News reported on the so-called "Cambria List." Paul Cambria, a longtime attorney for the porn industry, was involved in the list's preparation. The list is controversial within the industry and interpretations differ on how it was meant to be applied. Some in the industry say it represents guidelines for the box-covers of adult videos, not for the sex acts they depict. Nevertheless, there is wide agreement that the Cambria List shows how the adult industry is seeking to be more careful, fearing a potential crackdown on pornography by the Bush administration.

The Cambria List:

Box-Cover Guidelines/Movie Production Guidelines

Before selecting a chrome please check facial expression. Do not use any shots that depict any unhappiness or pain.

Do not include any of the following:

No shots with appearance of pain or degradation
No facials (bodyshots are OK if shot is not nasty)
No bukakke
No spitting or saliva mouth to mouth
No food used as sex object
No peeing unless in a natural setting, e.g., field, roadside
No coffins
No blindfolds
No wax dripping
No two dicks in/near one mouth
No shot of stretching pussy
No fisting
No squirting
No bondage-type toys or gear unless very light
No girls sharing same dildo (in mouth or pussy)
Toys are OK if shot is not nasty
No hands from 2 different people fingering same girl
No male/male penetration
No transsexuals
No bi-sex
No degrading dialogue, e.g., "Suck this cock, bitch" while slapping her face with a penis
No menstruation topics
No incest topics
No forced sex, rape themes, etc.
No black men-white women themes

PBS site
 
Take this survey!

This survey was prepared by researchers at The Kinsey Institute, an international leader in scholarship, teaching and service in sexuality, gender and reproduction. The results of the survey will help inform the scientific community and policymakers about the opinions and attitudes of the American people regarding the use of porn.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/etc/survey.html
 
Some opposing viewpoints

Dear FRONTLINE,

While some children may be traumatized by some encounters with pornography, many more children are harmed in America every year by collisions with SUVs and pollution-induced asthma. The zeal with which right-wing activists seek to smother free expression is matched only by their defense of the automobile culture to the obvious detriment of public health. They are willing to trample on a civil right for the questionable harm caused by porn, but they sacrifice the lives of children every day to preserve the civil liberty of driving obscene automobiles.

If negative externalities justify government intervention, please begin with activities that cause the greatest, most obvious harm. Videos of fisting hardly tops the list of threats to public health or welfare.

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Dear FRONTLINE,

You did an excellent job. I must agree it would be a good backup show to interview women and men whose lives have been effected by porn.

I was very shocked at AT&T involvement. I would certainly check stocks more carefully before I invest.

The idea that women would be involved in the degradation of other women and children is unbelievable. The actual brutal rape of a woman and then the simulation of her murder is heart wrenching. While this is being viewed, police were out searching for an 11 yr. old abducted girl whose body was found this AM.

Hopefully, the Janet Jackson fiasco will start the ball rolling.

And what the heck was with Janet Reno and her friend Bill? Some leader that guy.

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Dear FRONTLINE,

People should not do anything in thier daily lives that they could not do in Sunday School. We should not have secret activities that we would be ashamed of.
We should be the same on Saturday night as on Sunday morning.

Sorry folks, I'm just a country boy from the Deep South. Down here some of us still believe that Christ Jesus is our Savior. We know we are saved cause we DO WHAT HE SAYS. Many of us also treat our wives, and ladies in general, with respect. Porn is one of the social ills or, devils schemes, that goes against everything we as good Southerners believe is good and true. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. CANT MAKE IT RIGHT. NO WAY NO HOW.

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Dear FRONTLINE,

I watched American Porn when it aired the other night. I watched it because I am an anti-pornography activist as well as a violence prevention educator.

PBS and Frontline have never been great at bringing in the point of women/feminists so I knew what to expect. I will be using your film to educate others not just about the porn industry's assault against women but also how corporations and the media can talk a good talk but in the end leave us with nothing more than a sugar coated idea.

A great show would have included the hundreds of thousands of women and girls whose lives have included torture, beatings, and rape by the men in their lives who read, watch, and produce porn. In almost all cases of incest, rape, and violence porn has always been present.

When your viewers talk about freedom of speach and choice it is almost always from men who enjoy having the privelage of watching women being degraded and no doubt they are in no way ready to give that up. When men degrade women
it makes them feel more like men.

It amazes me that people just don't put the clues together. Porn hurts everyone. It hurts that men that watch it because it sets them up to believe that women are a certain way. It hurts the women and girls by humiliating and degrading them by the men who are supposed to love them. How many of your viewers after watching the show knew that Hustler, 2 weeks prior, to the gang rape of the woman in New Bedford MA, had portrayed in their magazine the SAME EXACT scenario. Now, that would have been good reporting.

It is time that we stopped using the arguement of freedom of speach and no cencorship because that is so self-centered and individualistic. It is time that we start caring about the well being of our children and using porn which depicts young females as sexual objects is wrong.

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Why is it OK for Hollywood to produce films such as "Terminator" "Hannibal the Cannibal" and distribute them. I find these films far more offensive than anything I can see in the porn industry. Why is it Ok to kill, cook, eat other human beings than to show two consenting adults fornicating.

I am a firm believer in the free market system. If there is an audience available for it so be it. I do however feel there must be some restrictions as with all thing regarding children and animals. Remember in "Silence of the Lambs" it was a teenage girl who was kidnapped. As for a priest representing religion, give me a break, I was one of the young people abused by a "Catholic" priest. Did it contribute to screwing up my life? You bet. It took me many years to come out of the closet and much heartache after losing a faith and trust and feeling dirty.



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/talk/
 
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Here's an interesting discussion about porn and children:

IDENTIFYING WHAT IS HARMFUL OR INAPPROPRIATE FOR MINORS

The thing I found most fascinating, but not really surprising, was:

Correlations do not establish causation, but they can be suggestive. Studies have found, for example, an inverse correlation between youthful exposure to pornography and sex offending among adolescents and adults. That is, sex offenders generally have less, not more, exposure to pornography as youths.(16) One possible inference is that sex offending is causally related not to youthful exposure to sexually explicit material but to its opposite: youthful repression, conflict, and guilt.

16. Judith Becker & Robert Stein, "Is Sexual Erotica Associated with Sexual Deviance in Adolescent Males?" 14 Int'l J. Law & Psychiatry 85 (1991); Milton Diamond & Ayako Uchiyama, "Pornography, Rape, and Sex Crimes in Japan," 22 Int'l J. Law and Psychiatry 1, 15-19 (1999); Paul Gebhard et al., Sex Offenders (New York: Harper & Row, 1965), pp. 670-78; Ira Reiss & Harriet Reiss, Solving America's Sexual Crisis (Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books, 1997), chs. 3 & 6; Kathryn Kelley et al., "Three Faces of Sexual Explicitness – the Good, the Bad, and the Useful," in Pornography – Research Advances and Policy Considerations (Dolf Zillmann & Jennings Bryant, eds.) (Hillsdale, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum, 1989), p. 67.

In other words, the crackdown on porn, and the opposition to it, do more to encourage sex crimes than stop them.
 
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All this stuff about porn and its effects on society is interesting, I suppose, but not to me. What interests me is what we're doing as pornographers: why we insist on working at the borders of what is acceptable.

My own personal feelings towards the pro- or anti-female/social/respect/sinfulness of porn is: fuck it. I don't care. This is where we come to play and experiment and be free, and whether what we do is pro or anti anything is not really my concern.

---dr.M.
 
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