Pope Doesnt Support Christian Values.

[NOIRTRASH]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/europe/pope-francis-kim-davis-meeting.html?_r=0

Francis walked back his support for historical Christian values.

Abortion, queer love, and kids is now okay.

 

[phrodeau]

You again? Get a clue already.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Best Pope ever!

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Where was he when Argentina murdered all its kids?

 

[phrodeau]

You're a pathetic joke. Stay banned.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

You're a pathetic joke. Stay banned.

Stay on ignore, faggot

 

[doctor_insanus]

So what?

Why should I live by the values of some Bronze Age sheep fuckers?

Fuck yourself.

 

[Liar]

Francis walked back his support for historical Christian values.

...such as bigotry and hubris.

 

[ElijaRDC]

Pope Francis FTW. He almost makes me wanna be Catholic again (though I suppose I still technically am).

 

[OjosMojo]

The reason so many progressives favor this Pope is clearly because of the progressiveness they see and hear in him with their own progressiveness eyes and ears. He, they sense, has some of them in him. And, in fact, that is quite true.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1232160

 

[about_average]

Since when has it been a Christian value to violate the oath of office you've sworn to uphold?

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

I would say that the Pope does not support "Christianist" values.... Now the values of Jesus, he seems to follow those.

 

[Ramone45]

I really don't understand all the breast beating over this issue. Kim Davis is absolutely entitled to her religious and moral position, and her position is worthy of respect and tolerance whether or not you share the same beliefs. Her role as county clerk requires that she follow and enforce the laws of our country irrespective of her religious beliefs. She has to leave her job as county clerk if she can't do that. It is very simple.
The more important question for the Pope is, "Is it acceptable for a Roman Catholic to serve in a secular government position whose duties are at odds with the established teachings of the Church?"
I think it is alright, but I'd like to hear the Pope's answer. In the past, some Bishops threatened to withhold the Holy Eucharist from Pro-choice Catholic politicians.

 

[ElijaRDC]

her position is worthy of respect and tolerance whether or not you share the same beliefs.

So people should respect and tolerate her intolerance, when it perpetuates the harmful notion that a very large group of people are less-than? That's bullshit, sorry not sorry.

 

[Ramone45]

So people should respect and tolerate her intolerance, when it perpetuates the harmful notion that a very large group of people are less-than? That's bullshit, sorry not sorry.

A sincerely held moral or religious objection to homosexuality is worthy of respect and tolerance.That happens to be Pope Francis' position, and everybody loves him.

 

[ElijaRDC]

A sincerely held moral or religious objection to homosexuality is worthy of respect and tolerance.That happens to be Pope Francis' position, and everybody loves him.

I love Pope Francis in the context of the Catholic church. Certainly not all of his stances on everything align with my own, but as the head honcho of a religion famous for its horrendously outdated views, he's pretty great.

And a moral or religious objection to PEOPLE who harm no one, sincerely held or otherwise, is not worthy of respect or tolerance as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Sean Renaud]

A sincerely held moral or religious objection to homosexuality is worthy of respect and tolerance.That happens to be Pope Francis' position, and everybody loves him.

No it is not. Being sincere in your bigotry as opposed to it just cropping up when it's convenient is not worthy of tolerance. Perhaps respect when it comes to the point of self harm. I will gladly admit that I hold some esteem for someone who is willing to lose their job and go (and stay) in jail because they disagree with this that or the other because conviction ftw. That doesn't mean the position is one worthy of respect.

Everybody doesn't love Francis. I'm quite amazed the church hasn't found a way to slip him some cyanide. That aside one of the benefits of being a 'liberal' is that I don't think the pope is some perfect god blessed man. He's a man who has a huge and largely captive audience which makes him important. He's basically a religious Kardashian. I don't have to agree with everything he does or says because he's not perfect. His judgement (morally) is worth no more and no less than Miley Cyrus save for the millions of people who look to him for guidance vs however many Mousekateers she can muster.

So his support of Ms. Davis just shows that for all the things he's got right he's far from perfect. And I've yet to hear him really support gays or abortion simply walk back a bit the you're 100% fucked to well it's a sin like a lot of other things and condemning you is above my pay grade. Bit of a cop out but I'm not in tune with him enough to know he's copping out to appeal to people like me or not to piss off the people who could put cyanide in his drink.

 

[Ramone45]

I love Pope Francis in the context of the Catholic church. Certainly not all of his stances on everything align with my own, but as the head honcho of a religion famous for its horrendously outdated views, he's pretty great.

And a moral or religious objection to PEOPLE that harm no one, sincerely held or otherwise, is not worthy of respect or tolerance as far as I'm concerned.

Of course an objection to a person based on their sexual orientation would be wrong. We are all brothers and sisters and children of God. One can object to homosexual acts, though, as does the Pope. That is a position worthy of tolerance, just as homosexual PEOPLE are worthy of respect and tolerance. We need to get to this place.
You consider the views of the Church outdated. I consider them timeless.

 

[about_average]

So his support of Ms. Davis just shows that for all the things he's got right he's far from perfect.

My impression of his statements are that his support amounts to supporting a person's right to civil disobedience. I haven't seen any evidence he believes she shouldn't be prosecuted and/or lose her job (I don't know what the KY penalty is for violating your oath of office) for such disobedience.

 

[ElijaRDC]

Of course an objection to a person based on their sexual orientation would be wrong. We are all brothers and sisters and children of God. One can object to homosexual acts, though, as does the Pope. That is a position worthy of tolerance, just as homosexual PEOPLE are worthy of respect and tolerance. We need to get to this place.

No, we need to get to a place where the writings of an ancient text that have no relevance in modern times are not taken seriously. Saying that you're against homosexual acts "because the Bible says so" doesn't cut it with me.

I consider them timeless.

This is why we can't have nice things. In all seriousness, many of the teachings of the Catholic church and religion in general are wonderful, but many are not, and refusing to differentiate between them is asinine.

 

[Ramone45]

No, we need to get to a place where the writings of an ancient text that have no relevance in modern times are not taken seriously. Saying that you're against homosexual acts "because the Bible says so" doesn't cut it with me.




This is why we can't have nice things. In all seriousness, many of the teachings of the Catholic church and religion in general are wonderful, but many are not, and refusing to differentiate between them is asinine.

Ok, then. So much for tolerance. It was very nice talking with you and I wish you a happy and healthy life.

 

[Sean]

Of course an objection to a person based on their sexual orientation would be wrong. We are all brothers and sisters and children of God. One can object to homosexual acts, though, as does the Pope. That is a position worthy of tolerance, just as homosexual PEOPLE are worthy of respect and tolerance. We need to get to this place.
You consider the views of the Church outdated. I consider them timeless.

So stoning to death a woman that isn't a virgin on her wedding day is a timeless value to you?

 

[ElijaRDC]

Ok, then. So much for tolerance. It was very nice talking with you and I wish you a happy and healthy life.

Tolerance/intolerance isn't even the right thing to argue in the case of homosexual acts, anyway, because to tolerate or not tolerate something, it surely must first affect you or others. Consenting adults engaging in romantic and/or sexual acts with one another affects no one else.

 

[Lazurius]

Tolerance/intolerance isn't even the right thing to argue in the case of homosexual acts, anyway, because to tolerate or not tolerate something, it surely must first affect you or others. Consenting adults engaging in romantic and/or sexual acts with one another affects no one else.

Alaha most certainly seems to be horrendously affected by it.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

abomination = something that causes disgust or hatred (per Merriam Webster).

I've not discovered that the abomination of homosexuality is any more disgusting to Alaha, or any more hated by him, than all the other hated imperfections all of us humans choose to exhibit which he says he also can't abide.

The saving difference seems to be whether the individual practicing whatever of those abominations is self-aware that they are committing the abomination, and if he truly believes in Alaha.

One who believes in Alaha is said to eventually mature to the point that she hates everything that Alaha hates. It's the Spirit of Alaha inside us which provides strength through grace to overcome all while we abide here. Being aware of the abomination, understanding Alaha cannot abide the abomination, and then turning to Alaha for the strength to overcome the abomination is the only path to Life for any of us, it is written.

Of course, none of this matters in the least to all of us who enjoy our abominations anyway, and to anyone who doesn't believe in, and or hates Alaha in the first place.

 

[ElijaRDC]

Alaha most certainly seems to be horrendously affected by it.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

abomination = something that causes disgust or hatred (per Merriam Webster).\

But why does it cause Alaha disgust or hatred?