Political Question?

[Lord DragonsWing]

I know I said I would never discuss politics on this site again. Buttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt(sticky keyboard), after reading all the post(s) I have a question?

Why are so many authors so dogmatic about the democratic party?

I'm an independent. I look at all sides and then choose what I feel is best.

From what I've seen, this board has become nothing but a campaign thread for the democrats. And I must admit, you folks are ugly at how you do things. You don't discuss, you attack. You're not open to others opinions, you destroy them. And I am always right.

It just seems this board has become an argument for democrats to degrade republicans. Why don't you all discuss things intelligently? Is one afraid the other may change their opinion? Are you all so blinded by your parties of republicans and democrats?

Sorry, I guess that was much more than one question. Perhaps we need a new party. How about the Lit party? Then, we can combine the reps and dems and come up with something that works. I'm sure we'll need alot of coffee for that though. lmao.

Just my opinion. worth as much as a broken shoelace.

 

[cloudy]

I'm independent, as well.

I think the reason it seems to you that everyone here is a walking billboard for the democratic party is that those who dare to disagree with someone on one of the political threads gets shouted down, and attacked, as you've seen yourself. The sensible posters stay out of it, and keep their opinions to themselves, rather than be hounded.

There are some here (and Sher, this does not include you) that are so smart-assed about their comments, and so set on putting others down, that it winds up turning more people against democrats than it wins over.

I think the election this year is such a hot issue that people are just unable to discuss it calmly.

 

[rgraham666]

I think the election this year is such a hot issue that people are just unable to discuss it calmly.

The same thing happened up here with our recent federal election. On my favourite Canadian forum it got so bad that I stopped visiting.

I think the major problem in the States is that everyone is scared shitless.

The Republicans are scared of another terrorist attack, and that they won't get to keep all their money.

The Democrats are scared of what Bush may do to win the war on terror, and that their jobs and futures are disappearing.

I don't know what the Greens are scared of. Perhaps someone down there can enlighten me?

 

[Liar]

Now, I haven't exactly been digging deep into the political threads here, but from my skimming of posts, biases and opinion, I must say that I haven't seen what you're describing.

But then again, I'm not in on how US political rethorics works, so maybe it's there staring me in my face.

This kind of thang interrests me. Not US politics per se, but the dynamics of ppl on bulletin boards. If y'all could point me in the direction of some of those cases of " You don't discuss, you attack.", I'd be grateful.

#L

ps. That being said, I bid you all, from communists to neo-cons and whatever might dwell in between, a good night.

 

[Weird Harold]

Why are so many authors so dogmatic about the democratic party?

I'm an independent. I look at all sides and then choose what I feel is best.

From what I've seen, this board has become nothing but a campaign thread for the democrats. And I must admit, you folks are ugly at how you do things. You don't discuss, you attack. You're not open to others opinions, you destroy them.

I'm another registered independent, but I think you're misinterpreting what you're seeing.

In the Author's Hangout, I don' see support for Democratic Party Dogma so much as I see "John Kerry is the only one with a chance to depose GWB." I ascribe the feelings here in the AH to one major concern we all have in common -- COPA and all of he similar anti-porn, anti-First Ammendment legislation.

The rest of Lit naturally shares the anti-porn concerns, but aren't quite so personally affected by the threat of bans on written Porn.

As for the lack of "debating skills," that's been a fact of BB interaction since before the Internet got going -- it's almost older than computers. At least in this venue only words are thrown at each other instead of beer-steins and rocks.

 

[Guest]

LDW -

You should hang around in the General Board for awhile. That arena is seriously pro-Bush and the attacks are extremely vicious.

The AH is predominantly anti-Bush, I agree. But for the most part, I feel we remain fairly civil in our arguments.

We try to argue with facts, we offer links to back ourselves up, and usually things don't become all-out flame wars.

(We save those flame war discussions for topics such as women's rights!)

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

Re: LDW -

You should hang around in the General Board for awhile. That arena is seriously pro-Bush and the attacks are extremely vicious.

The AH is predominantly anti-Bush, I agree. But for the most part, I feel we remain fairly civil in our arguments.

We try to argue with facts, we offer links to back ourselves up, and usually things don't become all-out flame wars.

(We save those flame war discussions for topics such as women's rights!)

Thank you SSB. As long as it's not flaming each other. I usually just hang out on AH. I like everyone here and respect their opions.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

It just seems this board has become an argument for democrats to degrade republicans. Why don't you all discuss things intelligently? Is one afraid the other may change their opinion? Are you all so blinded by your parties of republicans and democrats?

I think that can be expanded to a lot of things.

Republicans, conservative notions, Christianity, Bush, etc.

Lit just doesn't strike me as the sort of place where "discussing things intelligently" takes primacy over "expounding opinions aggressively". Its a message board, so it doesn't have to abide by a lot of "intelligent discussion" practices. It doesn't have to abide by logic or reason.

Without those, I fear one isn't going to get "intelligent discussion", just more different brands of dogma.

 

[cantdog]

I dunno. Oncde in a while intelligent discussion breaks out, no matter what we all do to curtail it. Patience; it'll pass.

More frequently, humane and friendly discussion happens here.

The general board is indeed polarized and snappish, more so than most places in the country at large, I think.

I like to think this board is no worse than most places. And the BBS/usenet convention of references being used is observed here, where I don't see that, ordinarily, so much, on the GB.
Or in the world at large. A lot of unsubstantiated lies and tripe is published without references in newspapers every day.

I usually don't reply to any question with more than two unstated assumptions, but some of this affects larger issues. What makes you resent someone bashing the war cabinet? They need bashing; I'm just gratified to see someone do it. I'm glad most of them use facts to do so. Kerry can go hang for all of me, but most Kerry bashers just lie.

cantdog

 

[Guest]

I dunno. Oncde in a while intelligent discussion breaks out, no matter what we all do to curtail it. Patience; it'll pass.

More frequently, humane and friendly discussion happens here.

cantdog

Sometimes that does happen, yes!

 

[amicus]

Lorddragonswing....

"Political Question?
I know I said I would never discuss politics on this site again. Buttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt, after reading all the post I have a question?

Why are so many authors so dogmatic about the democratic party? "



I had to chuckle as I read your post...only a few months ago I came to this forum and read thread after thread of Bush bashing diatribe and only one brave soul, Colleen...seemed to stand up against the onslaught...

So, being Sir Galahad and The Man from La Mancha all in one, I just had to wade in...

This forum is poplulated mainly by the extreme liberal left who seem to think they own it and enmasse, jump upon any who think otherwise.

They are, pro abortion, Pro gay, pro feminazi's, pro socialized medicine, pro federal day care, pro ecological preservation, pro labor unions, pro NEA and with out a moral foundation save radical humanism.

They are, anti business, anti gun, anti nuclear power, anti growth, anti military, anti rugged individualism, anti capitalism, anti patriotism and anti religion.

In other words, the typical modern left wing liberal democrats, who live a superior intellectual parasitical existence on ethnic minorities, union labor, Hollywood liberals and the artistic left who are above and beyond the common man.

Nothin unusual...just the usual run of losers who live off of others.

I could offer a philosophical and pyschological evaluation of why they are that way, but when I do, they call me names.


They fear that another four years of Republicans in the White House, through Supreme Court appointments, will over turn Roe v Wade...that is the big unspoken boogey man.

They fear that another four years, will open Alaskan Arctic oil fields to production, and ease Federal controls on the environmental oppression that has restricting timber production and mining operations. For they, in the guise of environmental protection, wish to limit growth by restricting materials needed for industry and home building.

For a large part is is the feminists, who after decades of striving for independence and equality have finally achieved it and find it lacking.

The vast number of single moms and working mothers, fully equalized, have discovered that gender equality is not all they had hoped it would be and they are angry.

Thus they lash out at the mainly middle classed white males who are the foundation of the Republican Party. Those few remaining, independent masculine types who unfortunately do not often explain or defend who and what they are.

There is of course, also, the traditional isolationist policy of the Democrat Party, who wish to bury their heads in the sand and ignore a changing world. They are the old 60's peace love and drugs generation, the 'Kerryites' who were anti war in the 60's and are anti war now.

But, if you have followed the election rhetoric this year, you will have no doubt noticed that the Liberals are all pomp and circumstances with no meat and potato's"

Liberals, social democrats, have found themselves with no agenda and have been left with only an 'anti'bush' anybody but Bush agenda.

It will be a landslide Bush/Cheney victory in November and they know it. Thus they lash out in anger and plot for 2008.

Such is life in the fast lane....


regards...amicus....

 

[dr_mabeuse]

It has been nasty, but not as nasty as the right was during the Clinton years. If the tables were turned--if Bush were Clinton--don't you think we would have heard a bit more about GWB's coke-snorting career? The impeachment trial for lying to the country about Iraq would be going on right now.

My own feeling is that I've never lived under a worse--and more than that: dangerous--president than W, and I lived through Nixon. I seriously believe that our country is either on the edge of a terrible precipice or already on the downward slide, and that damage is being done to our security, our economy, and our society that may not be undoable.

I believe that this damage is being done by men who do not care for me or my way of life, and it's being done through lies and manipulation. These people are enriching themselves at the expense of me and my children, they are playing politics with our security, and they are fucking with my home.

And what's worse, what really makes it maddening, is that the evidence is there for anyone to see who'll take the trouble to look, but no one wants to look. Shereads has been pushing a number of books, any one of which is a real eye-opener, but no one's going to even crack a cover. Everyone just dismisses them as partisan attacks. Believe me, they're not.

It's very much like being in a car headed over a cliff with a bunch of people who just want you to pipe down so they can sing along with the radio. I think that's a situation in which screaming at the top of your lungs is entirely appropriate.

---dr.M.

 

[Liar]

This forum is poplulated mainly by the extreme liberal left who seem to think they own it and enmasse, jump upon any who think otherwise.

They are,
pro abortion, Yep.
Pro gay, Yep.
pro feminazi's, Huh?
pro socialized medicine, To an extent, yep.
pro federal day care, Yeah, why not?
pro ecological preservation, I like clean air and green grass. Don't you?
pro labor unions, On the premise that they do what they are supposed to do, instead of messing with politics.
pro NEA Wuts dat?.
and with out a moral foundation save radical humanism. Nope. Just not your moral foundation. Which of coursse means that in your eyes, I lack moral, the same way that I think you do. (but I'm too much of a coward to just spell it out )

They are,
anti business, Nope.
anti gun, In a perfect world, yep.
anti nuclear power, Not at all.
anti growth, Of course not.
anti military, See 'gun'.
anti rugged individualism, Not sure what you mean by that, but I'm all for individualism. Which for instance makes me pro gay.
anti capitalism, Not at all.
anti patriotism Kindof.
and anti religion. Nope.

You seem to paint your debate opponents as being as limited, unreasonable and ignorant as you accuse them of painting you. It's all a matter of knowing your opinion is right, which makes other's opinions just plain ignorant. We all do this from time to time. Some more some less. The majority in here are probably more to the left than the right so the overall climate may seem biased. But noone is innocent of inability to switch perspective now and then.



Ok, back to LDW's original question. I think DrM has a point. If it was Clinton, the tables would had been turned. And they were. I had my very clear opinions about his reign, while it lasted. The bashing going down is that of critisism aimed at the current administration, whichever party they represent. They are the ones doing stuff, so it's easy to advocate change. Malcontent people are the most vocal ones. You can't be malcontent at the opposition. When in power, taking a beating for it in the public debate is a part of the job.

#L

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

pro abortion, No.
Pro gay, No.
pro feminazi's, No.
pro socialized medicine, No.
pro federal day care, No.
pro ecological preservation, No strong opinion.
pro labor unions, No strong opinion.
with out a moral foundation save radical humanism, No

anti business, No.
anti gun, No.
anti nuclear power, No.
anti growth, No.
anti military, No.
anti rugged individualism, No.
anti capitalism, No.
anti patriotism, No.
and anti religion, No.

I guess I am a-typical for these boards.

 

[Liar]

pro abortion, No.
Pro gay, No.
pro feminazi's, No.
pro socialized medicine, No.
pro federal day care, No.
pro ecological preservation, No strong opinion.
pro labor unions, No strong opinion.
with out a moral foundation save radical humanism, No

anti business, No.
anti gun, No.
anti nuclear power, No.
anti growth, No.
anti military, No.
anti rugged individualism, No.
anti capitalism, No.
anti patriotism, No.
and anti religion, No.

I guess I am a-typical for these boards.

Dr. No?

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

From what I've seen, this board has become nothing but a campaign thread for the democrats.

I must be reading a different board.

It just seems this board has become an argument for democrats to degrade republicans.

Let me elaborate on my previous comment...

I bleedin' well hope not!!!

This is an authors' board on a porn site. Go figure.

Quite honestly, I couldn't give a flying fuck about most of the political stuff discussed here, but that's just me, a British bitch (sometimes - apparently ).

Lou

 

[Guest]

Bitch all you want.

You look really good in those jeans, Lou!

 

[Guest]

Bitch all you want.

You look really good in those jeans, Lou!

And you know my weaknesses.



P.S. Gonna have them moaning at me now for my flirty hijacking.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

And you know my weaknesses.



P.S. Gonna have them moaning at me now for my flirty hijacking.

I would say the odds of you having them moaning are good. Just as likely they will care not one damned bit about this or any other thread while they are too

-Colly

 

[Guest]

I would say the odds of you having them moaning are good. Just as likely they will care not one damned bit about this or any other thread while they are too

-Colly

You so

 

[impressive]

More frequently, humane and friendly discussion happens here.

Call me crazy, but "humane and friendly" tops my list of "intelligent" types of discussions. Sure, logic can be nice -- but I'd wager that our world would benefit from an increase in "humane and friendly" moreso than an equivalent increase in "logic."

Irrationally humane,

 

[gauchecritic]

Like the man said in answer to a similar question.

What are you against?

What d'ya got?



If you're not anti-something then you're pro-something yeah?

No in-between, no couldn't give a flying fuck one way or the other, no real feeling about specifics.

I think what you're doing 'Swing, is taking a lot of different peoples dislikes or opposition and assigning them all to everyone who's ever stated an opinion. Tarring everyone.

What you are most likely to find however is that out of the list of anti's that's been given less than half of the board will hold more than half of that list as true to themselves.

But the thing is, assuming pro are opposite of anti and taking some of the list, this means that several 'pro-Bushers' by extension are:

religious nuts (anti abortion)
sexually insecure/inadequate (anti gay)
mysogonistic (anti feminazi's)
autocratic (anti socialized medicine)
Victorian (anti federal day care)
rapacious (anti ecological preservation)
slavers (anti labor unions)
The radical humanism thing I can't square away with anybody being deliberately anti-human.

monopolistic (pro business)
murdering (pro gun)
militaristic (pro nuclear power)
pro growth actually goes diametrically against monopolistic
empire building (pro military)
anti-social (pro rugged individualism)
anti-indivualism (pro capitalism, oddly enough)
jingoistic or chauvanistic (pro patriotism)
dogmatic (pro religion)


As a bleeding heart liberal (should you need to pigeon hole me but I prefer communist) with the ability to not categorize or stereotype, I can't believe for a minute that neither you nor Sher nor American somebody or other (can't remember) or Pure could be all of those things. But as you know, there's always at least one exception and he shall remain nameless. (I'm not talking about Joe)


Gauche

 

[SummerMorning]

*clap clap clap*

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

I don't know what the Greens are scared of. Perhaps someone down there can enlighten me?

The greens are scared of the right-wingers and the fact that they want to destroy pretty much everything they stand for (environmentalism, legalized pot, first-amendment rights, gay marriage, etc.). The greens who are still voting for Nader are bloody idjits, in my opinion. Especially the ones in Florida and Nevada.

I don't know too much about the pro-donkey sentiment. I'm an independent in the greater left encampment. I sense that a lot of people who are pro-donkey right now are doing so at an exasperation at Bush and at infuriation that someone who has committed as many illegal and impeachable offenses as him is treated to a half a slice of America and shiny news reports whereas guys like CLinton and Kerry are eaten alive by press and republicans since day one.

Also, the left in this country is staging a counter-counter-revolution right now because they are tired of being misrepresented by their donkey-heads and are pissed off with what the oliphants are doing to their country and to their country's international street cred.




Now, this forum. I see the politics. To be expected on our quadrannual regime change especially after an administration that divided the country into firm liberals versus firm conservatives. On the other hand, when we're not all pissed off and yelling at each other, we're discussing NaNoWriMo, getting laid in the manner of our choosing, help for newbies, funny stories, boasts and brags, and all the other signs of life.

I have stated before that this forum is like a barroom. There are the flirtation games and risque jokes, the drinks and testosterone longue, the political types drinking into a stupor and fighting over two rich white guys that have no taste for common people, and the various "serious" discussions about whatever. Like in any bar, during the season that people bother voting (where to a tiny degree people's votes count) more politics bloom. It's the canker raised by the times. Sorry, draggy.