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More training!!! :rolleyes:

They mean more Marxism and demonizing whitey.

ABOLISH the police.....all of them. I will be safer without ANY police. :)
 
dolf said:
I found this interesting
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Overall a good article with some valid points worthy of consideration.

However

There are some misleading statements as well as some observations that weren't made.

For example this;

" - and disproportionately against African-Americans, compared with the percentage of the population they represent."

Superficially that IS a valid statement. The problem is that they are victims of police shootings far less than their contacts with the police. In that regard whites are far more likely to be shot than blacks. For example in 2020 241 blacks were shot by police versus 457 whites. While blacks comprise only 13% of the population they commit approx. 54% of all felonies. Each felony represents potential police contact therefore the ratio of black to white officer involved shootings is skewed the wrong way. In other words one would expect the number of police shootings to track as a percentage of the populations crime rates. If that were the case one would expect the number of blacks shot by police to be far higher than it is.

The article uses Finland and Norway as examples and I find no particular fault with that comparison. What is not mentioned is that those particular nations have a very homogeneous populations. Generally speaking regarding developed nations the more homogeneous the population, the lower the crime rate. Once again police shootings should reasonably track as a percentage of overall crime rates (felonies). So it should come as no surprise that those nations would have fewer police shootings than the US.

All of the above being said, the observations concerning the extent of police training and the type of training are all valid points.
 
dolf said:
I found this interesting
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This is a great article! So, we shoot dead a whole lot and we have the least amount of training. Sounds about right....these are my experiences here in the USA.

This is mark of an authoritarian society....and it is why groups of oppressed folks are working towards ending this type of authoritarian behavior

We just had in Philadelphia a judge drop the charges against an officer who blasted three Black Lives Matter protesters in the face with pepper spray....after handcuffed and subdued.

District Attorney Krasner is going to refile the case immediately because and he said this yesterday, " we do not live in a fascist society."

This article lends lots of weight to this argument...untrained, overly kill happy police as we see play out everyday here in America.
 
bellisarius said:
Overall a good article with some valid points worthy of consideration.

However

There are some misleading statements as well as some observations that weren't made.

For example this;

" - and disproportionately against African-Americans, compared with the percentage of the population they represent."

Superficially that IS a valid statement. The problem is that they are victims of police shootings far less than their contacts with the police. In that regard whites are far more likely to be shot than blacks. For example in 2020 241 blacks were shot by police versus 457 whites. While blacks comprise only 13% of the population they commit approx. 54% of all felonies. Each felony represents potential police contact therefore the ratio of black to white officer involved shootings is skewed the wrong way. In other words one would expect the number of police shootings to track as a percentage of the populations crime rates. If that were the case one would expect the number of blacks shot by police to be far higher than it is.

The article uses Finland and Norway as examples and I find no particular fault with that comparison. What is not mentioned is that those particular nations have a very homogeneous populations. Generally speaking regarding developed nations the more homogeneous the population, the lower the crime rate. Once again police shootings should reasonably track as a percentage of overall crime rates (felonies). So it should come as no surprise that those nations would have fewer police shootings than the US.

All of the above being said, the observations concerning the extent of police training and the type of training are all valid points.
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I respectful disagree....blacks are twice as likely.to be stopped and have serious.bad outcomes with police than white. I don't have a citation at the moment but I know of more than just a few organizations who track this including the police themselves.
 
WillJ8787 said:
This is a great article! So, we shoot dead a whole lot and we have the least amount of training. Sounds about right....these are my experiences here in the USA.

This is mark of an authoritarian society....and it is why groups of oppressed folks are working towards ending this type of authoritarian behavior

We just had in Philadelphia a judge drop the charges against an officer who blasted three Black Lives Matter protesters in the face with pepper spray....after handcuffed and subdued.
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^^ supports mob rule for white people, but black people having the law enforced against them is "oppression" LOL.

WillJ8787 said:
District Attorney Krasner is going to refile the case immediately because and he said this yesterday, " we do not live in a fascist society."
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Black people having to follow the same laws as everyone else isn't fascism.

You and that DA need a remedial education.

WillJ8787 said:
This article lends lots of weight to this argument...untrained, overly kill happy police as we see play out everyday here in America.
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So ABOLISH them. :cool:
 
WillJ8787 said:
I respectful disagree....blacks are twice as likely.to be stopped and have serious.bad outcomes with police than white. I don't have a citation at the moment but I know of more than just a few organizations who track this including the police themselves.
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The citations are all out there and you're wrong about the outcomes. The numbers I posted that you quoted are all the evidence you need.

As far as "twice as likely to be stopped" goes, that is a dangling statement and is so highly dependent on circumstance and location as to be virtually worthless. Twice as likely as what?
 
bellisarius said:
The citations are all out there and you're wrong about the outcomes. The numbers I posted that you quoted are all the evidence you need.

As far as "twice as likely to be stopped" goes, that is a dangling statement and is so highly dependent on circumstance and location as to be virtually worthless. Twice as likely as what?
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If you provide a source I'll check it out
 
WillJ8787 said:
If you provide a source I'll check it out
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Careful there, Will.

Ish is gonna stress hard in the paint that the American Negro peoples deserve what they get coming to them by law enforcement, no matter how biased the state's agency judgement is. Make sure you're adequately armored up for that daily morning coffee table roundhouse. ;)
 
IrezumiKiss said:
Careful there, Will.

Ish is gonna stress hard in the paint that the American Negro peoples deserve what they get coming to them by law enforcement, no matter how biased the state's agency judgement is. Make sure you're adequately armored up for that daily morning coffee table roundhouse. ;)
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Lol..I'm sure he will.
 
When your Police Unions are going on record there is a problem...and that they no longer want do defend bad cops in the court system...you know you have a problem.
 
IrezumiKiss said:
Careful there, Will.

Ish is gonna stress hard in the paint that the American Negro peoples deserve what they get coming to them by law enforcement, no matter how biased the state's agency judgement is. Make sure you're adequately armored up for that daily morning coffee table roundhouse. ;)
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You really are a fucking moron. The more crimes a group commit, any group based on any criteria, the more likely that group is to have interactions with the police and not surprisingly are going to have the higher number of 'bad' outcomes.

Virtually 90% of all individuals shot by the police are male and between the ages of 18 to 34. Based on your twisted mind the police are obviously discriminating against young males. It's beside the fact that virtually 90% of all felonies are committed by males in that same age group. Even a moron like you can't fail to notice the obvious correlation.

And that brings us to the disconnect. If blacks commit 54% of all felonies why do they only represent ~ 30+ some percent of all police shootings? Any reasonable statistical analysis would indicate that blacks should represent 54% (+/-) of all police shootings. Statistically the police are shooting FAR to few blacks or conversely they're shooting FAR to many whites.

But all of that avoids the meat of the article cited in the OP, namely the duration and emphasis of police training.
 
bellisarius said:
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And that brings us to the disconnect. If blacks commit 54% of all felonies
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So this statement brings us to the disconnect....one that most Racist's like to employ.

Let's destroy it, shall we???

First, WTF is a "felony"?

There are ( in the US ) 30 categories of felonies ( go search them all 100's of chargeable offences under those categories).

So bellosarus ( the sinking ship Racist troll BTW) claims blacks commit 54% of them.

Question bello...how many felonies are committed as a total in the US-every year. Total of those charged, and those committed but not charged ( or even discovered)??

The above is the fly in the soup. No one knows how many felonies go undetected. Since a felony can be as simple as speeding.

What makes it a "fly" is the fact that ( and the data exists, in his own links) that police will pull over a "black" driver more often than a white drive, for a minor, or even no observable reason. ( as just one example)

The ensuing searches can then "discover" something which leads to a felony charge.

Let us say possession of a controlled substance. While at the same time a white driver, by the same officer, will not get pulled over, even though he also has illegal possession of a controlled substance.

When you have enforcement agencies checking out one race of people more often than the other, that alone leads to a higher felony charging rate...but idiots like this piece of shit can't understand that.

Just stay in your Wat's thread, and picking up other peoples spent brass to save few bucks Bellosaurus...you will look far less the fool.
 
It is not just training, recruitment and equipment are vitally important. The US police forces recruit heavily from ex military, partly because a lot of basic training and institutional cultures are appropriate, These guys already have those attributes and are therefore much cheaper to train.

My service in the army involved what were then basically police actions in both the Malaya insurgency and in Aden (Yemen). In Aden in particular we were not trained to de-escalate and we killed a lot more than was necessary. If police are going to be equipped like the military (and that need is questionable) they need to know when and when not to use it. The 'rules of engagement' followed (or not) by the police are all over the place. Militarisation of policing is dumb.

Finally, 27% of all the privately owned firearms in the world are owned by Americans so enough criminals are well enough armed to guarantee they are going to be shot in fairly significant numbers.

There are no easy answers but de-funding is stupid. They need good training, good pay, and both accountability to minimum standards, and firm support from the societies they protect is required.

And turning policing into a left v right political squabble is absurd from both sides concerned.
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
So this statement brings us to the disconnect....one that most Racist's like to employ.

Let's destroy it, shall we???

First, WTF is a "felony"?

There are ( in the US ) 30 categories of felonies ( go search them all 100's of chargeable offences under those categories).

So bellosarus ( the sinking ship Racist troll BTW) claims blacks commit 54% of them.

Question bello...how many felonies are committed as a total in the US-every year. Total of those charged, and those committed but not charged ( or even discovered)??

The above is the fly in the soup. No one knows how many felonies go undetected. Since a felony can be as simple as speeding.

What makes it a "fly" is the fact that ( and the data exists, in his own links) that police will pull over a "black" driver more often than a white drive, for a minor, or even no observable reason. ( as just one example)

The ensuing searches can then "discover" something which leads to a felony charge.

Let us say possession of a controlled substance. While at the same time a white driver, by the same officer, will not get pulled over, even though he also has illegal possession of a controlled substance.

When you have enforcement agencies checking out one race of people more often than the other, that alone leads to a higher felony charging rate...but idiots like this piece of shit can't understand that.

Just stay in your Wat's thread, and picking up other peoples spent brass to save few bucks Bellosaurus...you will look far less the fool.
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Didn't go to the FBI-UCR did ya idiot? The specific categories are ALL called out and broken down in those data tables. All of your post is just so much ignorant horse shit. Either educate yourself or go flub your lips somewhere else.
 
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