Police Harassment

T.H. Oughts

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Recently, the Chula Vista, California Police Department ran an e-mail forum (a question and answer exchange) with the topic being, "Community Policing."

One of the civilian e-mail participants posed the following question, "I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"

From the "other side" (the law enforcement side) Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop with a sense of humor replied:

"First of all, let me tell you this...it's not easy. In Chula Vista, we average one cop for every 600 people. Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as "patrol") where we do most of our harassing. The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. At any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% patrollers are on duty and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty. So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day.

Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass.

The tools available to us are as follows:

PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase used often. This means we'll come out and give somebody some special harassment.

Another popular one: "There's a guy breaking into a house." The harassment team is then put into action.

CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no insurance or no driver's licenses and the like. It's lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant on file.

RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours.

STATUTES: When we don't have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc...They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there's this book we have that says that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It's a really cool system that we've set up, and it works pretty well. We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to "harass" some people.
 
Recently, the Chula Vista, California Police Department ran an e-mail forum (a question and answer exchange) with the topic being, "Community Policing."

One of the civilian e-mail participants posed the following question, "I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"

From the "other side" (the law enforcement side) Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop with a sense of humor replied:

"First of all, let me tell you this...it's not easy. In Chula Vista, we average one cop for every 600 people. Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as "patrol") where we do most of our harassing. The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. At any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% patrollers are on duty and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty. So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day.

Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass.

The tools available to us are as follows:

PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase used often. This means we'll come out and give somebody some special harassment.

Another popular one: "There's a guy breaking into a house." The harassment team is then put into action.

CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no insurance or no driver's licenses and the like. It's lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant on file.

RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours.

STATUTES: When we don't have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc...They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there's this book we have that says that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It's a really cool system that we've set up, and it works pretty well. We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to "harass" some people.

The team deal doesn't work.

If they send out an entire team to harass someone who called, think of all the other people who went unharassed.
 
Actually, it is a very long process trying to get the cops to do anything about harassment. I have an isp address and landline caller trace.
 
A cop with a sense of humour? They do exist...

True story...
I was pulled over a couple of years ago for doing 50 in a 35. (That it should have been a 50 zone to begin with is besides the point).

Anyway, when he came up to the car door I removed my seat belt and he asked for my DL and registration. I complied...

He said, "OK ma'am, I can either give you a ticket for not wearing a seat belt or one for speeding". Not being a hardened criminal I didn't realize what he was saying and became indignant. I said "What are you talking about? You know damn well I was wearing a seat belt. You saw me take it off!"

He responded, "Listen carefully ma'am. I can either give you a ticket for speeding or for not wearing a seat belt". I was insistent and so bent to be right and law abiding when it came to my seat belt, I continued on. I asked how he could be so curt about the law, blah, blah. He walked back to his car...

Now, I had time to think and calm down and it dawned on me. Hmmm, moving violation vs non-moving violation. So when he came back I told him I'd decided I'll take the seat belt ticket...

After a good chuckle he says (as he hands me the speeding ticket) "No ma'am, neither one of would be able to sleep at night. Have a great day!"
 
A cop with a sense of humour? They do exist...

True story...
I was pulled over a couple of years ago for doing 50 in a 35. (That it should have been a 50 zone to begin with is besides the point).

Anyway, when he came up to the car door I removed my seat belt and he asked for my DL and registration. I complied...

He said, "OK ma'am, I can either give you a ticket for not wearing a seat belt or one for speeding". Not being a hardened criminal I didn't realize what he was saying and became indignant. I said "What are you talking about? You know damn well I was wearing a seat belt. You saw me take it off!"

He responded, "Listen carefully ma'am. I can either give you a ticket for speeding or for not wearing a seat belt". I was insistent and so bent to be right and law abiding when it came to my seat belt, I continued on. I asked how he could be so curt about the law, blah, blah. He walked back to his car...

Now, I had time to think and calm down and it dawned on me. Hmmm, moving violation vs non-moving violation. So when he came back I told him I'd decided I'll take the seat belt ticket...

After a good chuckle he says (as he hands me the speeding ticket) "No ma'am, neither one of would be able to sleep at night. Have a great day!"

Yea, I love it when they have a sense of humor.

I got pulled over on my way home a few years ago . I was just cruising along, doing 70 in a 55 when I spotted a highway patrol car backed into a dirt road. I really wasn't paying attention to how fast I was going until I spotted him. When I did, I glanced at the speedometer on my bike, cussed and watched my mirrors to see if he would pull out. Sure enough he pulled out behind me and turned on the lights.

I pulled over and had my license and registration in hand when he got up to the bike. He took it and ask if I knew how fast I was going. I told him," No, not until I saw you", which got a smile out of him.

He went back to do his checks and came back in 10 minutes or so.

He said,"Well Mr. Comshaw, I should site you for speeding, you were doing 15 mph over the posted limit. The fine for that is $180.00. But since you haven't had a ticket in years, I'm going to let you off with a warning."

As he handed me the warning he grinned and said,"Besides, you're to damned old to be going that fast, slow down!"

Got to love a sense of humor....





Comshaw
 
Yea, I love it when they have a sense of humor.

I got pulled over on my way home a few years ago . I was just cruising along, doing 70 in a 55 when I spotted a highway patrol car backed into a dirt road. I really wasn't paying attention to how fast I was going until I spotted him. When I did, I glanced at the speedometer on my bike, cussed and watched my mirrors to see if he would pull out. Sure enough he pulled out behind me and turned on the lights.

I pulled over and had my license and registration in hand when he got up to the bike. He took it and ask if I knew how fast I was going. I told him," No, not until I saw you", which got a smile out of him.

He went back to do his checks and came back in 10 minutes or so.

He said,"Well Mr. Comshaw, I should site you for speeding, you were doing 15 mph over the posted limit. The fine for that is $180.00. But since you haven't had a ticket in years, I'm going to let you off with a warning."

As he handed me the warning he grinned and said,"Besides, you're to damned old to be going that fast, slow down!"

Got to love a sense of humor....


Comshaw

~Laughs~ Two similar stories with two very different outcomes. Moral of the story? Always play to a cop's sense of power :)
 
A cop with a sense of humour? They do exist...

True story...
I was pulled over a couple of years ago for doing 50 in a 35. (That it should have been a 50 zone to begin with is besides the point).


I was pulled over coming out of the airport a couple months ago from picking up my girlfriend and got pulled over in a "sting" There was another car there pulling people over at the same time.

Anyways. The cop was so young he had pimples.

I felt old.

I wanted to ask him if his homework was done yet.

I felt bad for the kid though....almost wanted to give him a tip, knowing I make ten times what he makes protecting and serving....and I don't.

:)
 
I'll never forget getting pulled on the bike in my early twenties. I was seriously shifting in a 40 zone. Copper comes up behind me, pulls me over and says, "good evening flight commander. Having a little trouble getting off the ground, are we?"

I didn't know whether to laugh or not.
 
The team deal doesn't work.

If they send out an entire team to harass someone who called, think of all the other people who went unharassed.
Some day, some criminal or criminal group is going to take advantage of this.

A week or so ago on the other side of town from me, there was a police chase in which one of my relatives observed FIVE cop cars pursuing one stolen car. FIVE.

Now imagine what happens if four or five of these incidents occur at once?


The sad part is the police have the technology to stop fleeing cars and prevent a potentially deadly chase - plus, this technology would also prevent more cops from being tied up with one incident. Why aren't we using it?
 
STATUTES: When we don't have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc...They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there's this book we have that says that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It's a really cool system that we've set up, and it works pretty well. We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to "harass" some people.

This cop dropped a spoiler. He should call his lawyer before he gets sued. The spoiler was so right: Don't make yourself a target and you can do as you please.
 
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