Police Accountability

[Ramone45]

I've been watching you tube videos of unprofessional police behavior. These videos confirm my experience that police know nothing about the law or the constitution. They are bullies and they use intimidation. They act with impugnity because they know that they are never held accountable for their actions. It's getting better now with recording, but it is still pretty bad.
I had an idea of allowing citizens to hold police personally responsible for their actions. Maybe a system where officers would have to carry liability insurance like doctors do.
Policing would be better if cops were REALLY held accountable.
Some of these videos are maddening. So many unconstitutional actions. Bias. Corruption.
The last one I saw has a mentally un stable cop pointing his gun at an un armed citizen who had done nothing wrong except for being black in a rich neighborhood. Not only had he drawn his gun, he had his finger on the trigger and he was visibly shaking. Even when two other cops and his sergeant arrived on scene, he refused to put his gun down. It was horrifying.
Hold cops PERSONALLY responsible.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You haven't seen nothing until you've seen the video collection of FedEx employees breaking bad...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Like Congress and the army...



... law enforcement draws upon the very best of society.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I've been watching you tube videos of unprofessional police behavior. These videos confirm my experience that police know nothing about the law or the constitution. They are bullies and they use intimidation.

Well, they're cops, not lawyers, and of course cops use intimidation, how else could they do their jobs? What matters is, most of the time, their clubs and guns stay in their holsters; intimidation is better than drawing them.

 

[Rightguide]

California Democrats fortified by the Obama DOJ have finally defeated the law enforcement community in Los Angeles. In the face of rising crime, arrests are at a historical low. The same community leaders who demanded police accountability and an easing of state laws now are screaming for the police to save them from the consequences of their actions.

It's clear the police are afraid to act. In addition, California through Proposition 47 recently reduced many felonies to misdemeanors. The police, under extreme scrutiny, body cams, endless written reports, and justifications for taking action know these crimes will not be punished under the current judicial environment so to them they aren't worth the time and personal risk to pursue.

 

[KingOrfeo]

California Democrats fortified by the Obama DOJ have finally defeated the law enforcement community in Los Angeles. In the face of rising crime, arrests are at a historical low.

Cite?

In addition, California through Proposition 47 recently reduced many felonies to misdemeanors. The police, under extreme scrutiny, body cams, endless written reports, and justifications for taking action know these crimes will not be punished under the current judicial environment so to them they aren't worth the time and personal risk to pursue.

Well, that's a good thing, isn't it? Our prisons are far too crowded as it is.

 

[pointless]

well, he's an anti-welfare conservative, so no. he wants repression of the poor through state sponsored violence.

 

[Rightguide]

Cite?

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-slowdown-20170401-story.html

Well, that's a good thing, isn't it? Our prisons are far too crowded as it is.

Not when deserving "inmates" are allowed to run free and prey on society with political impunity. Build more prisons.

 

[Rightguide]

well, he's an anti-welfare conservative, so no. he wants repression of the poor through state sponsored violence.

if you're referring to me you're an ignorant SOB, You don't know shit about what I think about welfare.

 

[pointless]

yeah, i do. i just read it in post #8.

 

[Rightguide]

yeah, i do. i just read it in post #8.

You need to learn how to read for comprehension.

 

[hashtag46]

Aren't cops cited amongst the top professions most likely to attract psychopaths who seek positions of power?

I'm sure that there are many good people among them who chose that job for good reasons. But by the same token, you're also likely to see the reverse: cops more likely to pick on the disenfranchised or the disempowered.

If I were in the States, I'd focus on that first, before the idea that there's a war of white cops against black people.
Among the other explanations for all that violence: climate of fear leading them to act defensively, poor training or so on.

 

[Rightguide]

Aren't cops cited amongst the top professions most likely to attract psychopaths who seek positions of power?

Not to my knowledge, politics, and education, probably contain the top professions fitting that at description.

 

[hashtag46]

he wants repression of the poor through state sponsored violence.

How dare they repress americans and take away their rights to shoot each other and bystanders
through street and gang violence!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Not when deserving "inmates" are allowed to run free and prey on society with political impunity.

No offense any American legislature would even consider downgrading to a misdemeanor is an offense deserving incarceration, and the phrase "political impunity" is meaningless as you are using it.

Build more prisons.

That would take us in exactly the wrong direction. We already have a larger percentage of our population incarcerated than any other country on Earth. We need to start working on ways to get most of them released.

 

[Conager]

Well, they're cops, not lawyers, and of course cops use intimidation, how else could they do their jobs? What matters is, most of the time, their clubs and guns stay in their holsters; intimidation is better than drawing them.

You are definately not a lawyer.

Whether under color of law or not, assault can occur without a weapon being brandished or the other person being touched.

LEOs can expect citizins to comply with lawful orders, and use reasonable force if actually detaining them but "intimidation" is not a legitimate police power.

 

[Rightguide]

No offense any American legislature would even consider downgrading to a misdemeanor is an offense deserving incarceration, and the phrase "political impunity" is meaningless as you are using it.

An idiotic response of one who fails to understand the issue.

That would take us in exactly the wrong direction. We already have a larger percentage of our population incarcerated than any other country on Earth. We need to start working on ways to get most of them released.

This is why crime goes up. Democrats trying to increase their base endanger society to do so.

 

[Rightguide]

No offense any American legislature would even consider downgrading to a misdemeanor is an offense deserving incarceration, and the phrase "political impunity" is meaningless as you are using it.

Oh, and the California legislature isn't "any American legislature" it is the most radically leftist in the nation.

 

[hashtag46]

I would be personally curious to find out
- if there's any way to tell if or how much did incidents involving unnecessary violence decreased since they introduced body cameras

- are there any statistics comparing how more likely are american cops to be shot in the line of duty, compared to other countries

 

[Rightguide]

I would be personally curious to find out
- if there's any way to tell if or how much did incidents involving unnecessary violence decreased since they introduced body cameras

- are there any statistics comparing how more likely are american cops to be shot in the line of duty, compared to other countries

Comparisons with other countries are largely meaningless.

 

[hashtag46]

Comparisons with other countries are largely meaningless.

I know it's not as simple as that, but being a cop in certain parts of the States always struck me as a damn risky job.
With every Dick & John having such easy access to firearms through legal or illegal means.

As an outsider, I can certainly see how some good cops (not the bad ones who did all those horrid things as seen on youtube) would be more trigger happy if they worked in gang areas or so on.

 

[Rightguide]

I know it's not as simple as that, but being a cop in certain parts of the States always struck me as a damn risky job.
With every Dick & John having such easy access to firearms through legal or illegal means.

As an outsider, I can certainly see how some good cops (not the bad ones who did all those horrid things as seen on youtube) would be more trigger happy if they worked in gang areas or so on.

Other countries don't have our population, crime problems, Constitutional protections. Most crime in America goes directly to lack of disciplined parenting, family structure, and personal morality inculcated in our male children. Any weapon then becomes a tool to use in acting out the resulting barbarism.

 

[KingOrfeo]

You are definately not a lawyer.

Whether under color of law or not, assault can occur without a weapon being brandished or the other person being touched.

LEOs can expect citizins to comply with lawful orders, and use reasonable force if actually detaining them but "intimidation" is not a legitimate police power.

How is it any less legitimate than beating a difficult suspect with your nightstick?

 

[jaF0]

I've been watching you tube videos of unprofessional police behavior. These videos confirm my experience that police know nothing about the law or the constitution. They are bullies and they use intimidation. They act with impugnity because they know that they are never held accountable for their actions. It's getting better now with recording, but it is still pretty bad.
I had an idea of allowing citizens to hold police personally responsible for their actions. Maybe a system where officers would have to carry liability insurance like doctors do.
Policing would be better if cops were REALLY held accountable.
Some of these videos are maddening. So many unconstitutional actions. Bias. Corruption.
The last one I saw has a mentally un stable cop pointing his gun at an un armed citizen who had done nothing wrong except for being black in a rich neighborhood. Not only had he drawn his gun, he had his finger on the trigger and he was visibly shaking. Even when two other cops and his sergeant arrived on scene, he refused to put his gun down. It was horrifying.
Hold cops PERSONALLY responsible.

Ain't a 'gonna get no better under the TrumPency with Sessions at the helm.

 

[KingOrfeo]

This is why crime goes up.

But, crime has not gone up nationally for years. There has been a recent spike in murders in some cities, but that's a local problem.

Democrats trying to increase their base endanger society to do so.

Democrats who try to make the criminal law more lenient are not "trying to increase their base."