"Poland must deter Russian invasion – think tank"

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[snugglestruggle]

NATO needs to back the fuck off. Why are the trying to provoke Russia. There is no need to be holding war games right on it's border.

 

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NATO needs to back the fuck off. Why are the trying to provoke Russia. There is no need to be holding war games right on it's border.

Provoke? The only one doing the provoking is Russia by its invasion of Ukraine and attacking its neighbors.

And before you bring up the tripe about NATO expansion, NATO wasn't expanding. It's was Russia's neighbors who were getting away from Russia and to the protection of the West.

If Russia wouldn't provoke people there wouldn't be a reason for more people to join NATO. But go ahead, blame someone else for Russia's failings.

Further, if Poland, Ukraine and the Baltics aren't allowed to hold war games in their own country than neither is Russia.

 

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[someoneyouknow]

The whole set-up to the Ukraine situation was very obviously externally-led. There used to be some really good Russian experts in the British Foreign Office and MI6 but, like the wonderful Arabists, that generation has moved on, and we have a bunch of knee-jerk right-wingers gleefully subservient to the CIA.

As Hard Rom posted elsewhere, powerful nations like their buffer zones. I don't like it, but it's true, and realpolitik would dictate that we take account of that in our foreign policy. The Polish known vehement anti-Russian feeling (not without reason, of course) ought also to mean that their most outspoken militarists are taken with a vast pinch of salt - but of course it suits current stupid policies to keep playing 'What's the Time, Mr Bear?' with Russia, and then shrieking blue murder when the bear growls.

Oh please. The people of Ukraine got fed up with Yanukovich when he refused to listen to them and seek freedom and prosperity with the West and instead, being the good lap dog he was, attempted to keep them under the thumb of Russia.

When the people protested he ordered his Berkut security forces to fire on and murder the people, then fled into the arms of Putin taking with him millions he stole from the people.

Then, when the terrorists burned polling places, destroyed ballots and beat those who attempted to vote in free and open elections, all acts the terrorists recorded themselves doing and bragging about it, the Ukrainian government went after them. In May of 2014, just as the terrorists were about to be done away with, Putin sent Russian troops to invade Ukraine to support the terrorists. This was done because in March the Russian parliament authorized sending Russian troops to invade Ukraine for no reason other than to punish Ukraine for seeking closer ties to the West.

So please, stop the Russian trolling. The world knows exactly what has and is happening in Ukraine. Over 2,000 Russian soldiers have died during the invasion, Russian marines were filmed fighting in Donetsk and there are an inordinate amount of pictures of Russian troops streaming in to Ukraine along with pictures taken by Russian soldiers inside Ukraine. Not to mention the Russian soldiers who keep getting captured.

Nations like their buffer zones which is why Ukraine is fighting the Russian invasion. They want their buffer zone in their country to be free.

 

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Oh please. The people of Ukraine got fed up with Yanukovich when he refused to listen to them and seek freedom and prosperity with the West and instead, being the good lap dog he was, attempted to keep them under the thumb of Russia.

When the people protested he ordered his Berkut security forces to fire on and murder the people, then fled into the arms of Putin taking with him millions he stole from the people.

Then, when the terrorists burned polling places, destroyed ballots and beat those who attempted to vote in free and open elections, all acts the terrorists recorded themselves doing and bragging about it, the Ukrainian government went after them. In May of 2014, just as the terrorists were about to be done away with, Putin sent Russian troops to invade Ukraine to support the terrorists. This was done because in March the Russian parliament authorized sending Russian troops to invade Ukraine for no reason other than to punish Ukraine for seeking closer ties to the West.

So please, stop the Russian trolling. The world knows exactly what has and is happening in Ukraine. Over 2,000 Russian soldiers have died during the invasion, Russian marines were filmed fighting in Donetsk and there are an inordinate amount of pictures of Russian troops streaming in to Ukraine along with pictures taken by Russian soldiers inside Ukraine. Not to mention the Russian soldiers who keep getting captured.

Nations like their buffer zones which is why Ukraine is fighting the Russian invasion. They want their buffer zone in their country to be free.

That was the narrative. Polly want a cracker?

Pando has confirmed that the American government – in the form of the US Agency for International Development (USAID) – played a major role in funding opposition groups prior to the revolution. Moreover, a large percentage of the rest of the funding to those same groups came from a US billionaire who has previously worked closely with US government agencies to further his own business interests. This was by no means a US-backed "coup," but clear evidence shows that US investment was a force multiplier for many of the groups involved in overthrowing Yanukovych.

But that's not the shocking part.

What's shocking is the name of the billionaire who co-invested with the US government (or as Wheeler put it: the "dark deep force" acting on behalf of "Pax Americana").

Step out of the shadows.... Wheeler's boss, Pierre Omidyar.

Yes, in the annals of independent media, this might be the strangest twist ever: According to financial disclosures and reports seen by Pando, the founder and publisher of Glenn Greenwald’s government-bashing blog,“The Intercept,” co-invested with the US government to help fund regime change in Ukraine.

https://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/