Poetry Olypmics First round results

[daughter]

****/Tibet/Nether/Brazil/Myanmar/Leichstein/Jamaica
J1-----4.75---4.25-----2.50------4.00---------2.75-------3.75

J2-----5.00---4.50-----4.00------3.50---------4.50-------3.50

J3-----4.50---4.00-----4.75------4.75---------4.25-------4.00

J4-----4.75---2.00-----3.50------3.25---------2.25-------2.75

J5-----2.75---3.75-----3.00------3.00---------2.75-------2.50

FINAL-4.35---3.70-----3.55-----3.70----------3.30-------3.30


Finalist--

Tibet (4.35)
Netherlands (3.70)
Brazil (3.55)


Poets, I regret that I made an error in posting the results. In review, for the final round, we discovered that Mynamar unfortunately had to be disqualified. The team had 3 couplets. The guidelines say that each stanza has to be a minimum of 4 lines with the exception of 1 couplet as a stanza.

My apologies for the error.

Peace,

daughter

 

[Masked Poet]

MP

 

[ShamelessFlirt]

I'm confused. If Netherlands and Lichtenstein tied, how can Myanmar knock one out?

Congratulations Fellow participants!

 

[daughter]

Shameless--

The lines are a little off. Netherlands and Myanmar have the same score. Liechenstein and Jamaica have the same score. I'll try to line them up better.

Masked Poet--

Please post your comments to each team's poem.

The judges evaluated the poems on more than personal taste. That is highly subjective. They looked at imagery, technical skill, style and form.

In this competition there were required words. The judges evaluated how well the teams used the words. They looked at how the poets incorporated a reference to a Winter sport.
They considered if the poem was focused, and if the content made sense. Lastly, they judged if the team successfully executed a form such as the Acrostic and free verse and one device the couplet.

In the final round judges will consider form, style, and imagery. They will be re-evaluated irrespective of first round ratings.

Peace,

daughter

 

[ShamelessFlirt]

Don't line them up on my account, I see what I saw and how I should have seen it in the first place last time I looked


Thanks!

And let me thank all the judges too while I'm at it, everyone's efforts are appreciated!!!

 

[Myanmar]

Wow! A nice surprise!

An honor to be included among the finalists! A big thank
you to the readers, and the judges, and to daughter, who ran this event
as smooth as butter!

Congrats to Tibet and Netherlands....this is going to be
one fun final!
And a hearty congrats to Liechtenstein, Brazil, and
Jamaica! Good contest!


&

Myanmar

 

[Masked Poet]

MP

 

[TheDR4KE]

The judges evaluated the poems on more than personal taste. That is highly subjective. They looked at imagery, technical skill, style and form.

In this competition there were required words. The judges evaluated how well the teams used the words. They looked at how the poets incorporated a reference to a Winter sport.
They considered if the poem was focused, and if the content made sense. Lastly, they judged if the team successfully executed a form such as the Acrostic and free verse and one device the couplet.

In the final round judges will consider form, style, and imagery. They will be re-evaluated irrespective of first round ratings.

Would it be possible for you to compile more specific judges critiques on the poems and post them here, thus maintaining their anonymity? Given that they had clear criteria, I would love to read how they measured according to those (not a number, just their impressions.)

Congratulations to all the poets for their great poems by the way. I'll send feedback out to the teams today through PM...

Drake

 

[TheDR4KE]

Congratulations to all the poets for their great poems by the way. I'll send feedback out to the teams today through PM...

Actually, I changed my mind.

I'm going to wait until all judging is done and then comment on the threads, and I'll give my interpretation based on the criteria. I'd really be interested to see how different people would vote according to these 'non-subjective' guidelines

Drake

 

[daughter]

Judging

Drake---

After the judging is over, the judges are free to comment to the poems on the board. However, the poems are posted to the site so every member can give feedback through the feedback option.

I didn't ask the judges for critiques. Participants wanted anonymity and that certainly took pressure off judges, too. The judges don't know who's poem is whose and they don't know who their counterparts are. The only person who knows all the names is me.

Art cannot be judged totally objectively because art is subjective. To the best of their ability each judge tried to score the few elements that were common. We had vocabulary, theme, and a required device.

I've asked the community to post their comments here. Since the judges and you don't know each other, participants may have already recieved feedback from judges.

If you like, I will comment to each poem on the forum based on the criteria. Will that help?

Peace,

daughter

 

[daughter]

Change in Final results

Finalist--

Tibet (4.35)
Netherlands (3.70)
Brazil (3.55)


Poets, I regret that I made an error in posting the results. In review for the final round, we discovered that Mynamar unfortunately had to be disqualified. The team had 3 couplets. The guidelines say that each stanza has to be a minimum of 4 lines with the exception of 1 couplet as a stanza.

My apologies for the error.

Peace,

daughter

 

[Myanmar]

An appeal

We, Myanmar, file an appeal in regards to the
disqualification. daughter, we sent you a PM in regards to it.
Thank you.


here is what Judge #4 said on our poem thread: (sampling of feedback)
--Also liked the concluding couplet. I clearly pictured her happy chagrin.
--Liked the repeated appearance of the couplets. It seemed to balance out
the requirement of the single couplet.

I think we are an exception to the rule....this judge #4 (he or she?)
seems to like that "breaking rule"we did........



Myanmar

 

[daughter]

Breaking rules

Myanmar--

I enjoyed all the poems. Please consider what is fair to the other teams that did meet the qualifications.

The guidelines stipulated a single couplet. All other stanzas must be 4-6 lines in length. The judge's comments points on the infraction.

Disqualification doesn't mean your poem wasn't good. It only means that you cannot be awarded a medal for an entry that failed to meet the guidelines.

I regret the error. It was my responsibility to verify that the guidelines had been met. The formatting of your poem and the rhyming pattern skewered my perception.

I would like to cite your effort at the awards, and I hope you will accept my apology.

Peace,

daughter

 

[Myanmar]

small comfort

Small comfort to be cited at the awards, which is
real good! Apology accepted! Thank you!



Myanmar

 

[Guest]

Judge #4 here. I hope I didn't add to the controversy here. I didn't pay any attention to the technical requirements, such as number of stanzas, etc. I assumed that had been checked before I was asked to score. I just got the poem and scored it on the criteria I was given.

Perhaps that was wrong on my part. I probably should have really perused the rules of the competition carefully and made certain the poems all adhered. That's what judges do in the Real Olympics... I'm sorry. I fell down on the job.

 

[Myanmar]

to Judge #4

Judge #4.....its okay......stuff like what
happened, happened.....we did enjoy your feedback though,
and we thank you for that!



Myanmar

 

[Myanmar]

Appeal


This is the other half of little known, Myanmar. At first, I accepted being disquailified but something nagged me about it. So, I went back to the original rules on page one of the Olympics thread. Here is a copy for everyone's convenience:

Poetry Olympics Third Event "Pairs Competition"
Pairs competition:

As a team, construct a poem. You must adhere to the following rules:




It must be erotic in nature.

There will be three words that must be used in the poem-
noun,
verb,
adjective

These will provided after registration.

The poem must make reference to a winter sport.

There is a minimum and maximum requirement for lines and stanzas

Minimum lines per stanza 4*

Maximum lines per stanza 6*

Minimum stanza 5

Maximum stanza 8

Poems must include a couplet with an AA rhyme scheme.
The couplet counts as a stanza* all other stanza must follow line length rules.

The title of the poem is your own affair.

I will select the team pairing randomly

Each team must use the name of a country. The United States is not available.

Each team must use a different country name entirely

Once you are paired, it is up to you to register your team name.

Once you team name is registered, you must pm me using your country identification only

If you do not receive a confirmation from me, you will not be eligible for judging.

A panel of 5 judges will rate the poems.

Poems in the first round will be judged on a 1 to 5 scale in quarter increments

Scores will be turned in to me, and I will place them in order at the end of the event.

The top 3 scores will move to the medal round.

Medal poems will be judged on a 1 to 10 scale in quarter increments in three areas:
Style
Form
Imagery

You will receive a pm who your team member is on next Tuesday the 5th of February. Once you have your team member you then must pick your team name, register it with me and the results of the first round will be posted March 1st.


Prizes will be awarded to the finalists. Daughter has offered to provide poetry collections for all winners.



Olympians, refer all your questions to daughter, she will manage this event from this point forward. I have sent her the list of contestants who have agreed to participate to date. Duty is calling and I will not have time to orchestrate this event next week.


U.P.

Please note how it does not say how many couplets are allowed in the poem. It only states that the couplet is the only exception to the line length rules. If this rule is what has disquailified us from the Olympics, I would like to appeal that decision. No where on this list of requirements does it state that the poem can only have one couplet.

Thank you for your time and patience,

Myanmar.

 

[Guest]

Judge #4 Pipes Up Again

I think the disqualification must stand. UP states that there must be 5-8 stanzas. One stanza must be a couplet (two lines.) But all other stanzas must be 4-6 lines long.

It seems clear to me that UP intended that there only be one couplet. However, even assuming that additional couplets wouldn't count as stanzas, the poem would still be lacking two "full length" stanzas.

That's my view.

 

[Myanmar]

Couplets As Stanzas

Minimum stanza 5

Maximum stanza 8

Poems must include a couplet with an AA rhyme scheme.
The couplet counts as a stanza* all other stanza must follow line length rules.

The rules state that a couplet is the only exception to the requirements about how long a stanza must be. That a poem must include a couplet. It does not state that a poem must only have one couplet. And since a couplet is considered a stanza. "Anticipation" meets the requirements for the contest.

What one thinks UP intended as the rules is not stated as a rule. That is an opinion. Not a fact. If the disquailification stands on what is assumed to be true instead of what is, then I personally do not want to have anything to do with this contest.

As such, I've said all I'll say on the subject.

We await daughter's judgement on the matter.

Myanmar

 

[Guest]

Poems must include a couplet with an AA rhyme scheme.
The couplet counts as a stanza* all other stanza must follow line length rules.

'A' and 'the' are singular. It said the exception.

 

[Unmasked Poet]

Criminal Intent

While not running this event, I certainly have a interest. The judge correctly surmised my intent.

Poems must include a couplet with an AA rhyme scheme.
The couplet counts as a stanza* all other stanza must follow line length rules.

Intent aside, the rules do state "a couplet" it is singular. I go on to say "The couplet" that is clearly one. It is unfortunately very clear and not ambiguous or open to interpretation. My intent was singular and I stated that in the rules. My statements regarding “The couplet are not in conflict.

Your poem was well done; it is unfortunate that your team was disqualified. It would be unjust to bend those rules. Always the damn rules getting in the way!

U.P.

 

[Myanmar]

*snaps fingers*

Aieeee!!!

Oh well! UP has spoken.

We shall be watching with the rest of the crowd, cheering everyone on, but I have to admit I have a favorite and going all out for Tibet!

Go, go!

Myanmar

 

[KillerMuffin]

You're a wonderful sport Myanmar. (sports ). I think you two deserve a lot of credit for gracefully accepting this and giving those in the running your best wishes. I am in awe.

 

[Myanmar]

KillerMuffin, thank you!

You're a wonderful sport Myanmar. (sports ). I think you two
deserve a lot of credit for gracefully accepting this and giving those in
the running your best wishes. I am in awe.

KillerMuffin, thank you for compliment! It's been a bit difficult,
but we are taking the whole situation in stride. Accepting the disqualification
gracefully is better than being a poor sport about it. We definitely wish the
best to those in the medal round....may be the best team win!



Myanmar

 

[daughter]

Final round postings

Poets--

I will post medal winners this evening.

I'd like to commend all those who participated. Great effort!

I need to hear from finalists. Please check your team's pm box. I need info from you.

Peace,

daughter