Please tell me I am over-reacting?

[Liar]

I will smile for now. Porn defined today, was not porn defined yesterday. Shit man, in yesteyear people were married at 14, and a king had wives at eight years (his age). LOL WHAT IS WRONG WITH SEX UNDER the age of 18, when the whole of history points to it? EDIT TO ADD: When the whole of humanity wants it when they become sexually aware?

What are we protecting, exactly?

In that particular case? The wishes of Laurel. Obviously you read my entire post with a pair of very special glasses on. I don't want to ban written fiction about...well...anything. But Laurel has stated that there are things she don't want of HER site. (We gotta remember that, people, we don't own and are not responsible for Lit. She is.) So when I saw something that I knew (because she said so) that she don't want on Lit, I let her know.

What FTF did was ask "do you want this on Lit?". Laurel is free to reply "Yep."

That is all.

You are a censor and not an author.

And there you crossed the line from discourse to sillyness. C'mon, snoogums. You can do better than that.

 

[CharleyH]

And there you crossed the line from discourse to sillyness. C'mon, snoogums. You can do better than that.

LOL yes I can but not tonight, love.. I do not agree with child porn, but I believe a person even at 14 has a right to do what she or he wants.

Edit to add: Good God you made me blush!?

 

[Pure]

hi falling

Fbut romanticizing a rape makes me sick.

P: I understand how you might see it so, but let me ask

Does the thing sound realistic; does it have the 'grit' of a reall account?

Does the sequence of events sound like real life?

My answers are 'no' and 'no'. It sounds to me like an adolescent fantasy. I think Selena said this. The idea of 'taking' a sleeping woman is a common fantasy.

Add to this, the second part of this common fantasy:
the twist, she wakes up and though she doesn't know the guy, joins in and comes like crazy.

This is a real male fantasy like having Demi Moore drop by with a 'strip o gram.'

Now for the variation of this particular story: Here, she was half conscious, but does manage to 'join in' --move, get aroused and (i'm not sure) come?

The 'twist' is that it's his wife, so it's a cuckold story, of which they're hundreds. He wants to see his wife ploughed, and gets off on it; he's 'shown up' or even humiliated, but very turned on.

As to how 'real' this is, I'm unsure, but the inadequate male is often portrayed as admiring the large cock going into his wife--which is a feature of this story. There's a homoerotic element.

It does not sound that 'romantic' to me, except in that the wife seemingly enjoys the event, though asleep. Maybe it's 'romantic' in that they get away with it.

I would say that the 'romanticism' , i.e., UN realism, ending-that-one-hopes-for is just the usual male porn reader's belief that a strange or anonymous woman will respond to a plain sexual move, like a grope, in a hurry, and come like crazy upon being vaginally ploughed. Kinda like a fast car, once you get the key in the ignition! turn, shift down and accelerate like mad.

IOW, I see it as no more weird or dangerous than the stories of seeing the next door neighbor sun bathing, sneaking up, overcoming her 'reluctance,' and getting it on right there on the deck.

Those are my views, unofficial, of course. I'd like to hear others. I don't suppose anyone saved a copy of the damn thing?

===
PS. It occurs to me that by 'romanticising' you may mean, not so much the general stream of events, but the fact that the fellow end up sexually satisfied, a kind of 'big man' (since he gave a big gift to his friend), who is going to go unpunished. Yes, fair enough; but outcomes of porn stories are often 'everyone was satisfied, had the orgasm of the century', and all the adulteries and groups scenes never bother anyone after; no one even gets crabs; consequences are non existent, even w/o condoms.

It is always arguable in these first person stories that the reader will likely end up in a different evaluation that the narcissistic narrator: instead of admiring the 'big man,' he'll wonder about the pathetic guy that had to turn to a 70 yr old to get his wife properly fucked; and then got off on it!

 

[MagicaPractica]

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=277132

Will someone read that story and tell me that I'm over-reacting? AS far as I'm concerned, it is RAPE and he's claiming that it is a true story... I'm going to PM the link to Laurel and ask her to look into it, but I'm so mad I'm shaking right now.

My take on this, whether or not it was a true story, the author claimed it was true and therefore we must assume he was admitting to committing a crime on this board. If I were a moderator, I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. As for fictional stories about rape, I don't care for them so I don't read them.

 

[_geisha_]

LOL yes I can but not tonight, love.. I do not agree with child porn, but I believe a person even at 14 has a right to do what she or he wants.

Edit to add: Good God you made me blush!?

Please tell me you're not serious about these statements you've made... I shouldn't say that, because at this point I'm pretty sure you are.

That's frightening, but I certainly wouldn't want to take away your right to post it.

:shocked eyerolly emoticon:

 

[cloudy]

And you are a posturing hack and a bitch, but I won't hold it against you, Charley.

I've had quite enough of the personal attacks today, thank you very much. Shall we forget the original subject and start a flame fest?

You started it, darlin'.

 

[3113]

My suspicion on the "true story" aspect is that the guy gets a thrill from shocking people, especially women. I've known way too many guys like that. Likely it isn't true, but he made up or exaggerated a truth so as to shock. He probably liked the negative comments he got from being called a "sick fuck." That thrills him and makes him feel superior, that he can sicken and shock people.

Like a little boy who likes to gross people out. Like the flasher who likes to open his coat and "shock."

It would probably do him good to have the police come to his door, but that's not for me to decide.

I'm with Sev on this. It's Laurel and Manu's call.

 

[Trinique_Fire]

okay i have to add. i know i said "do you" but really, as many opinions as we'll have on the whole shebang, they won't matter. not at all. none of us run the site.

good luck hacking out the fight.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

I wrote an incest rape story once. I'm never posting it anywhere, or even letting any of my friends read it. I'm not proud of writing it, and I'm so unhappy with it that I'm not even going to edit it.

I will be stealing the line "If I stop pretending to be asleep will you stop this slow shit and fuck me" line though for another story some day (the line I wrote the story around), but I don't think I'll ever write another rape story.

 

[Skip1934a]

Personally, I don't see rape as a seexual adventure. It's a sick display of POWER. An ego trip for a sick mind. Why would anyone even have a fantasy about it? If it's a true story, the writer needs to be put away where he can never see the light of day again.

I can find no fault with anyone who writes a fictional story about rape, but you won't find me reading it once I know it is a rape story.

I didn't read the story. It was already pulled before I read this thread. But if I had started it when it was available, I would have backed out of it when I discovered the subject matter. Just not something I want to read about, true or fiction. I don't even open stories in the NC genre.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Well, that's basically what my Halloween story is: rape; nonviolent, carried out by use of drugs.

It's also FICTION.

good plug I'll have to go read it!

 

[Liar]

LOL yes I can but not tonight, love.. I do not agree with child porn, but I believe a person even at 14 has a right to do what she or he wants.

`Do you mean child porn (photos and film with non-adult paricipants) or child porn stories there? Big difference, wouldn't you think?

But about the age thing, I kind of agree with you. And forbidding teens from getting groovy will not stop them anyway. However, they have no place in porn. Simply because I think that up to a certain age, there are some professions that too young people shouldn't have, that includes high physical and/or social risks or too much responsbility. Prison guard would be such a job, prostitute or porn actor/model another.

Edit to add: Good God you made me blush!?

Oh lordy, was it that easy?

 

[Pure]

Update,

Laurel has informed me that the story was taken down since the material stated that it was a true account of a crime. Lit, of course, is a website for erotic fiction.

Pure
moderator SDC.

 

[Pure]

note to skip

S: I didn't read the story. It was already pulled before I read this thread. But if I had started it when it was available, I would have backed out of it when I discovered the subject matter. Just not something I want to read about, true or fiction. I don't even open stories in the NC genre.

Skip, it may interest you to know that the NonConsent category was originally intended for the following kind of story: Man is with woman, and she (somehow) suggests/indicates she likes 'forced sex.' He begins to force her a bit--perhaps removing her clothes despite her resistance-- then starts having sex(intercourse) with her. Right about then she becomes fantastically turned on and fucks her and his brains out. Afterwards, she is basking in afterglow and even indicates (perhaps states) that it was the 'time of her life.'
She has not been injured in any way, but is in a delightful way, perhaps a wee bit 'sore.'

This rough plot, a fave of *female readers* is still true of 90 per cent of "non consent" stories. Because there are grey areas, the basic plot is occasionally varied. The constant element is that even where lots of force is used along the way, she is NOT greatly injured and COMES like a locomotive-- and is glad she did (I.e. she does NOT say-- as would be her right in real life, if forced, "I came, but I'm pissed as hell and i'm going to press charges.) The assumption or 'point' of the author/narrator being that all the time she was as horny as hell, and really wanted it, just in 'rough' form. --- Needless to say this is a fantasy, but found in women and men (though with variations for the men).

Of course none of this is to dispute that you may read what you please, but dontya sometimes read of forbidden or illegal acts? are all your *thoughts* pure?

 

[JMohegan]

Personally, I don't see rape as a seexual adventure. It's a sick display of POWER. An ego trip for a sick mind. Why would anyone even have a fantasy about it?

According to this article in Psychology Today, 44 percent of men have had this type of fantasy.

And guess what? Apparently 51 percent of women have fantasized about being forced to have sex, while a third imagined: "I'm a slave who must obey a man's every wish."

Of course, the article is quick to point out that there is a marked difference between fantasy and reality, both in content and desire for the event itself. (A fact which a surprising number of people fail to grasp.)

The article also makes reference to data showing that "frequent fantasizers are having more than their share of fun in bed. They have sex more often, engage in a wider variety of erotic activities, have more partners, and masturbate more often than infrequent fantasizers."

Fascinating stuff, don't you think?

However, the fact remains that he admitted to committing a violent felony and there should be some investigation into whether or not it is true.

I agree with this.

It is a fact that perpetrators sometimes "brag" to others about their crimes, and are occasionally apprehended as a result of doing so.

A quick heads up to police, and responsibility for what happens next is out of the hands of this site.

 

[Pure]

Hi JM

As you probably know there have been some interesting cases --this is not one*-- of high school students having journals or submitting stories that seem to be very 'true' and/or indicate obsessions with violence and violent impulses.

this HAS been reported to police, who get involved and get egg all over their faces when the writer is just a normal kid who was writing a STORY.

OTOH, the real high-school-student killers' actual stories and websites have almost always been ignored, in their talk about and plans for violence.


Go figure!

*IMO The story of the drugged wife is unlikely to be true. It has too many fantasy elements, as I've detailed above.