Planning orgy scenes

[MayorReynolds]

One of the stories I currently have in progress is going to involve lots of group sex, specifically sapphic lesbian incest group sex. I'm looking over my story plan and I've noticed that the number of participants in a given scene increases over the course of the story. It starts with two, then climbs to three, and then four. The story ends with no less than NINE participants in an all-girl pileup.

I've written group sex before but this is new territory for me. Nine seems like a pretty huge number to keep up with. I'm confident I can pull it off, but I'm wondering how the rest of you plan out and coordinate threesomes, foursomes or large orgy scenes. Do you use outlines or flowcharts? How do you do it?

 

[lovecraft68]

One of the stories I currently have in progress is going to involve lots of group sex, specifically sapphic lesbian incest group sex. I'm looking over my story plan and I've noticed that the number of participants in a given scene increases over the course of the story. It starts with two, then climbs to three, and then four. The story ends with no less than NINE participants in an all-girl pileup.

I've written group sex before but this is new territory for me. Nine seems like a pretty huge number to keep up with. I'm confident I can pull it off, but I'm wondering how the rest of you plan out and coordinate threesomes, foursomes or large orgy scenes. Do you use outlines or flowcharts? How do you do it?

You're going to have to use names frequently. With that many women (hell even with 3 or more) you can no longer use "she, her" because which she is she? her fingers" who's fingers?

That sounds like an ambitious undertaking and I wouldn't want to deal with it. More power to you for giving it a go.

 

[MayorReynolds]

You're going to have to use names frequently. With that many women (hell even with 3 or more) you can no longer use "she, her" because which she is she? her fingers" who's fingers?

That sounds like an ambitious undertaking and I wouldn't want to deal with it. More power to you for giving it a go.

Pronoun confusion can be a devastating pratfall, but if I fuck anything up I can always fix it in the editing stage. To make things easier, I would break the orgy into paragraphed sections, basically swinging the "camera" around to different parts of the room.

"A, B and C were over in the corner. A frisked a toy in and out of C. B sat and writhed on A's face."

"Meanwhile, D, E, F and G were near the bed. D had her fingers in F's cunt while G helped herself to E's plump tits."

Etc. etc.

 

[lovecraft68]

Pronoun confusion can be a devastating pratfall, but if I fuck anything up I can always fix it in the editing stage. To make things easier, I would break the orgy into paragraphed sections, basically swinging the "camera" around to different parts of the room.

"A, B and C were over in the corner. A frisked a toy in and out of C. B sat and writhed on A's face."

"Meanwhile, D, E, F and G were near the bed. D had her fingers in F's cunt while G helped herself to E's plump tits."

Etc. etc.

Sounds like a plan. I can see that working. "To my left, Sally and Penny had Robin laying between them, each sucking one of her deliciously pink nipples while their fingers were busy between her thighs"

A loud squeal caused me to look over my shoulder where Samantha had Jill's legs in the air and was pounding her with the strap on. Samantha's squeals became muffled when Liz swung her leg over her head and began riding her face while her girlfriend continued fucking her.

Or something like that.




The most people I have featured at once is 4 a fffm scene and even then the She/her wasn't going to work.

 

[patientlee]

Pronoun confusion can be a devastating pratfall, but if I fuck anything up I can always fix it in the editing stage. To make things easier, I would break the orgy into paragraphed sections, basically swinging the "camera" around to different parts of the room.

"A, B and C were over in the corner. A frisked a toy in and out of C. B sat and writhed on A's face."

"Meanwhile, D, E, F and G were near the bed. D had her fingers in F's cunt while G helped herself to E's plump tits."

Etc. etc.

My suggestion would be to have a beta reader or two take a look before you submit. Ask them to pay special attention to pronouns and whether or not it's clear who is doing what to whom.

Good luck. Sounds like fun!

 

[Darkniciad]

I would strongly suggest a wide variety of hair colors, races, personal grooming, etc. That makes it infinitely easier to eliminate some of the name repetition when you have a multi-girl scene going on. You can use those characteristics to tell participants apart.

If there's enough character introduction, you can also take advantage of professions, work relationships, etc. to help keep everyone separate in the reader's mind without constantly repeating their names.

Use names that can be shortened. Ashley->Ash Trisha->Trish That's additional flexibility to mix up your names.

Make sure all your names are as wildly different as possible. Andra and Ashley can blur together.

Everything that helps the reader keep track of who's doing what to who also helps you keep it straight in your head.

 

[patientlee]

I would strongly suggest a wide variety of hair colors, races, personal grooming, etc. That makes it infinitely easier to eliminate some of the name repetition when you have a multi-girl scene going on. You can use those characteristics to tell participants apart.

If there's enough character introduction, you can also take advantage of professions, work relationships, etc. to help keep everyone separate in the reader's mind without constantly repeating their names.

Use names that can be shortened. Ashley->Ash Trisha->Trish That's additional flexibility to mix up your names.

Everything that helps the reader keep track of who's doing what to who also helps you keep it straight in your head.

Names that are dissimilar will help also. Different ethnicities will work there too.

 

[Darkniciad]

Names that are dissimilar will help also. Different ethnicities will work there too.

Hehe... I went back and added that in an edit just before I saw your post

 

[3113]

Good Topic

I'd like to just say that *this* is a worthy question for the Author's Hangout in Literotica. Thank you for posting it. I think we can all learn a lot from this discussion.

 

[Hypoxia]

I wrote of an eight-way orgy in Ron's Journal 06 that builds upon a prior four-way with lesbian incest in Ron's Journal 01. I think my descriptions of appearance and nationality and groupings keep the characters distinguishable. I've also written of other large groupings where I may not have been as careful with details. Flowcharting the action? I haven't yet. That's an interesting idea, but so far I've managed to just let things flow on their own. I'll give it a try.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I wrote an MMM threesome recently, and I feel your pain.

One thing that I think really helps (but might not apply in your situation) is to really KNOW the characters who are participating. If you are just introducing a lineup of women, each individual woman (except maybe the main character and whoever was in the original trio) means nothing. She's just a name and a short list of characteristics.

Different races works very well. One of my boys was a dog-hybrid and one was a cat, and that helped a lot during the descriptions.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

I have written many times of multiple partners engaging in sex and I have had to stop and make up a flow chart. Depends on the nature of your story whether you need to describe every orgasm or pairing - but if that IS important, keep a list of who did what to whom. It does make it easier.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I would strongly suggest a wide variety of hair colors, races, personal grooming, etc. That makes it infinitely easier to eliminate some of the name repetition when you have a multi-girl scene going on. You can use those characteristics to tell participants apart.

Hoever, please please don't fall into the trap of giving each character a title- or a list of titles instead of names (damn me, I can't remember what that practice is called!)
If I read; "The shorter black girl ran her fingers through the tall brunette's pussy fur while the white girl giggled because the other black girl was tickling her" I will click off so fast it'd make my own head swim. I hate getting dizzy like that.

"Trish ran her mahogany-dark fingers through Rosalie's bright curls" is plenty enough.

 

[RejectReality]

Hoever, please please don't fall into the trap of giving each character a title- or a list of titles instead of names (damn me, I can't remember what that practice is called!)
If I read; "The shorter black girl ran her fingers through the tall brunette's pussy fur while the white girl giggled because the other black girl was tickling her" I will click off so fast it'd make my own head swim. I hate getting dizzy like that.

"Trish ran her mahogany-dark fingers through Rosalie's bright curls" is plenty enough.

That's why I said some of the name repetition

Whenever I'm in that situation, I tend to use every available option, but almost every bit is going to still have names. Usually, I use one name, then use a substitute for the other participant. In the next paragraph/sentence I name the other and use the substitutes for the first.

Depends on the flow, POV, and a lot of other things, but that's my general formula.

 

[YDB95]

If there is a silver bullet to it all, here it is: character development. If the reader knows all nine characters, s/he will have a feel for what each of them would and wouldn't do, and the whole thing will seem a lot more natural and less confusing. That does involve a lot more work before you get to the sex, but it's worth it!

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Great thread. I'm struggling with a mother/daughter story where pronouns are a nightmare.

Don't go with YDB95 because if you write, 'she licked her pussy', no amount of character development is going to prevent giggling.

I don't see any problem for readers if you use names at any time pronouns get confusing. ChicagoBob managed a foursome girls story very well.

 

[SecondCircle]

I've dealt with this several times. I'm actually writing one now, though not quite as many as 9, and I know how difficult it can be keeping up with everything while still crafting a great scene.

Diversity can be a great tool in these scenes, as others have pointed out. Different appearances of the characters involved, or different identifying traits can be helpful, not just for you but the reader. In the scene I'm working now, one of the characters is heavily tattooed, very big, and otherwise has traits that readily set him apart (he is rough and deep, raw and wild, grunts like a beast, hands are greedy and gropy). He sorta stands out in appearance and with physical interaction from his, er, cohorts.

It's important that your reader immediately understands what is going on and who they are reading. I might also add that you should be careful to avoid "play by play" type writing. This can get tricky in Group. This did this. That touched this. This licked that. Just listing what's going on and who's doing what over and over starts to sound like a monotone sportscast. For me, I always try to break that kind of stuff up with what is felt, inwardly and outwardly, maybe catching the look in one's eye, or a train of unavoidable thought from your MC or something. Make it drip lust, not read like a "play by play". At least, that's how I'd enjoy reading it.

I try to vary up my wording and structure too. I don't use pronouns all the time (obviously) but I won't shun them. I'll use names as identifiers, but not constantly. Maybe a switch in POV if you're writing omnipotent can lend some aid. I've also seen Group written in 1st POV where the MC didn't even tell the difference much between characters. It was just like "this body part, that hand" just came flying at her. That can work, but I don't prefer it. I like knowing those characters and immediately being able to tell who they are and what's happening as you've said.

Lastly, I use a LOT of rereading. Write for a bit, then read back over it. Then again. Make sure everything makes sense each couple of paragraphs or pages or whatever. when the story or chapter is done. Reread that thang. Then get someone else to read it. Then reread it again. If it just feels like a bunch of "she's" and "he's" and obscure private parts flying everywhere, tighten it up and make it clear.

 

[MrFoxwood]

I wrote a story which involved an orgy of (unless my memory is fucked) eleven people. What really helped was that there were two distinct areas where the action took place and six of the participants had been well established across the previous five or six chapters. As others have said, using characters that you have already solidified in your readers' minds is essential.

I've started reading stories which introduced six females and then launched them straight in to an orgy, it's narrative suicide which no amount of establishing description will save. Also, introducing each participant with a paragraph concerning their looks is also a huge fucking no-no as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, it is worth considering the extent to which you want your reader to be able to follow the action, especially if you're writing in the first-person: that situation could quite realistically become confused and disorientating, and for me at least that's part of the appeal.