Pissed off Starfish: Is this too harsh?

Starfish

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Okay, this is a letter I am writing to the 'teacher' of a web course I've been enrolled in, but have been aware of my failing status in.

This is not a formal letter, so it does intail words and terms used in common speech. Don't worry about that.

I wonder if the tone is appropriate. Is is too harsh? I am really pissed off at this lady so I think it might be, but I have major complaints about her, and the class.

This is in response to a letter she sent me, giving me a lecture about my situation in the class.

What do you think from what you see here?

Dear Mrs. (Incompetant)<<<substituted, obviously.

I understand your position and I expect nothing from you in the way of accepting late homework from you. I did apologize for all of the delays and also explained that I've been ill. That is more than most students who stop participating in a class will usually do. I know this, by the trouble I had contacting the other 'members' of the forum projects, prior to your changing the structure of the groups.

I don't expect special treatment, and if that means I fail, so be it. I am not troubled by this in the least. I do have some complaints about the way you handled one of my emails, back when I was trying to catch up. It is mainly the reason why I stopped trying, not my illness. I will further explain this below.

I was troubled by the idea that if we neglected to do the forum project that we would be causing problems for the other students in getting their credit. We submitted the group project stuff only because we didn't want to screw the other students out of their chance to get credit for the group discussion forum requirements. I was just being courteous, which is something that is a rarity in this world. I submitted the paper and resources to prove that we are not ignorant to the subject, and thus competent enough to lead the forum.

What would be the point of talking to an advisor? At Owens, there are no set advisors through your schooling. You get a random one when you go in, and they don't have a clue about my situation, and it'd take a good hour to explain it to them anyway, and it is extremely personal and difficult to explain in the first place. Half of my closest aquaintances don't even know the intimate details of my condition. Besides, What could they do about my illness as it relates to my situation with school at this time?

I don't expect to pass this class. I know David doesn't either.
I found this web course to be highly lacking comprehensible directions, projects and assignments. I also found most of the assignments to be high school level busy work. This is, most likely, due to the curriculum guidelines, not your skill as a teacher, so don't assume that I am placing blame on you for this. I am explaining to you what I think of the class in general.
The idea of a web course should be convenience, and ease of directions in taking it. I wouldn’t expect the work to be easy, but you have to understand what the ‘rules’ are, to comprehend what you are supposed to do. I will be certain to fill out the student evaluation form for this course in hopes that those who set these classes up in the future, do a better job at it.

I am, however, not all too pleased with several things about the way you handled my questions back when I was attempting to catch up. I wrote an email asking you to explain some quick things about the forum, and a few homework problems, that I'd already searched the student led homework forum for, and your solution was to tell me to go to that forum, or to come to Owens for the second meeting you set up, two weeks from the time I was writing, so you could explain there. How in the hell was I supposed to advance in my work, if my questions were diverted to useless sources? You set aside times to meet at Owens to clarify things, that we could not possibly attend. That is why we took a WEB COURSE. Not the class options that were available for Saturdays. Being as it wasn't a required aspect of the course to attend these inconvenient meetings, I felt as if you shrugged my questions off to be dealt with by others or at other times by you. However, you never addressed them. If it had not been for that, I would have not become apathetic to the work. We were making a serious effort, and we took this class with the understanding that if we had problems that we could contact the instructor to get explanations. Instead you gave me diversions. I could not advance in the homework, and so when I became ill, I stopped caring because there were more important things that I had to deal with.

I suggest that as a professional teacher, that you do not set your students needs and questions aside for others to deal with. When we take a regular class, we do not go to the other students for help. That is what a teacher is for.

Sincerely, but without regret,
Gretchen R*****

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I have to go to an important class right now, so I will be back in a few hours. I really would appreiciate some imput.
 
It doesn't sound over the top, in fact it's alot better than what most would do.
 
Sounds good to me, Starfish, not too bitchy. Send it! :)
 
Southern37 said:


of course from estevie a letter saying "FUCK YOU! I hate your guts." wouldnt sound to bitchy either...lol

LOL, thats not true! That would be just a bit bitchy...definately not over the top though! :D


Hi hon! kisssssses!
 
estevie said:
Sounds good to me, Starfish, not too bitchy. Send it! :)

of course from estevie a letter saying "FUCK YOU! I hate your guts." wouldnt sound to bitchy either...lol
 
Fishtrious-one

I do not think the letter is "OVER THE TOP", but I do think it needs a little gramatical work. (offering my help here)

I write "complaint" letters for a living and I would offer you a few suggestions..if you are interested.

In short, unless you want more specific advice for your situation, I have to offer only a few suggestions.

#1 -- In your first paragraph you need to outline your specific "problems/issues/concerns". Then, take the next several paragraphs to explain in more detail each specific issue.

#2 -- You need a final "clincher" paragraph that details what you expect as an equitable solution.

If you would like some help with it...please feel free to ask me!

OH, one last thing....I would take out the word "hell" in there. It distracts from your point and makes you seem hostile.

Other than that you have organized your ideas well and with a fine bit of polishing...it's a complaint letter that would make any attorney proud :) << that was a compliment!!
 
My only suggestion has already been posted by the lady with the lime. :)
 
Guru, I was too pissed to post it. LOL!

SimplySouthern said:
I do not think the letter is "OVER THE TOP", but I do think it needs a little gramatical work. (offering my help here)

I write "complaint" letters for a living and I would offer you a few suggestions..if you are interested.

In short, unless you want more specific advice for your situation, I have to offer only a few suggestions.

#1 -- In your first paragraph you need to outline your specific "problems/issues/concerns". Then, take the next several paragraphs to explain in more detail each specific issue.

#2 -- You need a final "clincher" paragraph that details what you expect as an equitable solution.

If you would like some help with it...please feel free to ask me!

OH, one last thing....I would take out the word "hell" in there. It distracts from your point and makes you seem hostile.

Other than that you have organized your ideas well and with a fine bit of polishing...it's a complaint letter that would make any attorney proud :) << that was a compliment!!


Great advice! Thank you. As with any written document, paper or letter, an introductory paragraph should be included as well as a conclusion.

I can do that easily, being that I write papers for the most part of my academic time. I do have a bit of a concern with proposing anything in a conclusion because I don't want anything from her. I just want her to know what she did that pissed me off, and what my problems are with the way she handles her students. I'll figure it out. I will polish it all up, disclude the word hell, and send it out. I really don't like being bitchy about shit, but she really pushed my buttons with that email she sent me.

Pissed Gretchicon..... coming right up..... ;)

http://theworldofstarfishie.homestead.com/files/pissed.jpg
 
Here is the revised, added to, and more clearifying version I came up with. I stated my intentions and why I was writing more clearly. Is this better, or did I go and make it confusing? It is a lot longer, but I explained more, and I also, gave more justification. I think! :rolleyes:

Dear Mrs. blah blah lady,

I would like to clarify some things in this final email from me, that you need to know. I am going to give adequate explanation for my personal situation, and our standpoint and understanding of our standing in this class. I intend to make you aware of why we stopped working on the homework, as best I can, for this course and why we both have accepted that we will be failing this class. I am also going to add in my complaints about a few matters, so you know ahead of time what I'll be submitting to the school in the form of the Student Course Evaluation.

We both understand your position on the matter of our lateness with the homework and we expect nothing from you in the way of accepting late homework from us. We both have expected, for some time, to fail this class. I did apologize for all of the delays and also explained that I've been ill. Other than having to have taken care of me, David has no other excuse than that he was totally confused by this class in general, and he really needed to be enrolled in a class that had scheduled meeting times, on campus, at Owens. This is no one’s fault, and he plans to reenroll for this class for next semester, on campus.

So, just so we are clear, we don't expect special treatment, and we accept that will mean we fail this course. This is what we are expecting. At this point, I am not troubled by this in the least. My health matters are very serious, and are most important to me at this time. In otherwords, we are formally accepting failure as it pertains to this class.


We were troubled by the idea that if we neglected to do the forum project that we would be causing problems for the other students in getting their credit. We submitted the group project stuff only because we didn't want to cause the other students to be unable to obtain their credit for the group discussion forum requirements, and for that reason alone. We were just being courteous, which is something that is a rarity in this world. We
submitted the paper and resources to prove that we are not ignorant to the subject, and thus competent enough to lead the forum for the sake of the other student, alone. That is more than most students who stop participating in a class will usually do. I know this, by the trouble we had trying to contact the other 'members' of the forum projects, prior to your changing the structure of the groups, which you did unexpectedly, without a decent response to my inquiry about the matter. Other than that, I've experienced a great deal of input from other professors about students not being courteous and communicative to their teachers, over the 4 years I’ve been in college.

Now, pertaining to the class in general. I’ve taken over 100 semester credit hours of course work and I found this web course to be highly lacking comprehensible directions, projects and assignments in comparison to the other classes I‘ve taken. I also found most of the assignments to be at high school level type busy work. I realize that this is due to the curriculum guidelines, not your skill as a teacher, so don't assume that I am placing blame on you for this. I am explaining to you what I think of the class in general. I just don’t want you to be offended. I have compared this class curriculum to that of my peers who are currently enrolled in this same class on campus, and it seems to be the same work guidelines, aside from this group project work you assigned. Those students, instead, were required to do a Power Point presentation.

In my mind, and what I was led to believe was that the idea of a web course should be convenience, and that there would be ease of directions in taking it. I wouldn’t expect the work to be easy, but you have to understand what the ‘rules’ are, to comprehend what you are supposed to do. This leads me to my biggest complaint, and this however, does pertain to you.

I am not at all pleased with several things about the way you handled my questions back when I was attempting to catch up. I wrote an email asking you to explain some quick things about the forum projects, and a few homework problems, that I'd already searched the student led homework forum for, and your solution was to tell me to go to that forum, or to come to Owens for the second meeting you set up, two weeks from the time I was writing, so you could explain there. How, do you suppose, were we supposed to advance in our work, if my questions were diverted to useless sources I‘d already found no help with? You said that you had set aside another time to meet at Owens to clarify things. However, we could not possibly attend. That is why we took a WEB COURSE in the first place. Not the class options that were available for Saturdays. Besides, the time you set aside for the meeting was two whole weeks later than when I had emailed you.

Being as it wasn't a required aspect of the course to attend these inconvenient meetings, I felt as if you shrugged my questions off to be dealt with by others who are not qualified, thus not paid to answer questions pertaining to this course, or at other times by you. However, you never addressed them. If it had not been for that, and some other small details of your lack of responsiveness, I would have not become apathetic to the work in general. We were making a serious effort, and we took this class with the understanding that if we had problems that we could contact the instructor to get explanations. Instead you gave me diversions. We could not advance in the homework, and so when my illness became severe, I stopped caring because there were more important matters that I had to deal with. I have several other complaints about the way that you handled certain matters, but I won’t bother, because it doesn’t effect me at this point. I just hope your future students don’t suffer because of them. Your numerous emails you spoke of about your 'concern' pertaining to our homework didn't reflect that of a helpful nature at all, where our questions were concerend. This was disappointing and annoying to say the least.

I am only making this last set of complaints because it is important as a professional teacher, that you do not set your students needs and questions aside for others to deal with. That is crucial in showing your students that are a responsible and helpful person, enough to lead a class such as this. When I take a regular style class, I do not go to the other students for help. That is what a teacher is for.

Concerning my illness I don't see the point of talking to an advisor. I sought out advise at the beginning of the semester, because of my disability and the advice that they gave was to try and take web courses if at all available, so that I wouldn't have to subject myself to further illness. At Owens, there are no set advisors through your schooling. They aren’t like councilors, they are there to help you set up your schedule and to direct you on what classes to take in your chosen major. You get a random one when you go in, and they don't have a clue about anyone’s personal situation, and in my case it'd take a good hour or more to explain it to them anyway, and it is extremely personal and difficult to explain in the first place, being that it is something that doctors themselves could not diagnose the cause of in the situation of my 12 year, long term, illness, and that I have had to research it, take basic medical biology, and spend a huge amount of time studying the correlation of my condition and symptoms to the overall cause. Half of my closest acquaintances don't even know the intimate details of my condition. Besides, What could they do about my illness as it relates to my situation with school at this time? The only way I could get services would be from the Disability Services Dept. and that is already being looked into, however, nothing can effectively be accommodated apparently.


I will be certain to be level headed, fair and even but I have full intentions of filling out the course evaluation sheet with details of my complaints, and suggestions on how those who plan these web courses should go about setting them up, and what exactly the role of an instructor should be, and where you were deficient for this course period, which made it nearly impossible to progress for myself, personally. I was open to your input, back when I requested it, and you decided that it wasn’t important enough to really deal with. If you have issue with what I’ve said here, then I am sorry, but I really can not concern myself with it.

Sincerely, but without regret,
Gretchen R*****
 
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