Pickup Artist Techniques

[crazyboy2006]

I don't know if this is posted very often, but I'm curious to find out what people think about Neil Srauss and "The Game."

I'd like to hear what women have to say on the issue because I haven't really heard too much from them about it.

Do the techniques work or is it a waste of time to consider?

The only steps that I don't like are the dress crazy (peacock theory) and the part where you have to show some kind of trick or card/ESP reading. I don't want to learn magic and how to read minds to pick up a chick...lol

 

[bailadora]

I'm not familiar with him or his book, but I do recall there was a reality TV series entitled "The Pick Up Artist". I remember catching a few episodes of it and thinking that the "advice" that was given was total horseshit. I distinctly remember looking at my husband and asking him, "What sort of bimbo would fall for that?"

 

[Mansa Musa]

I don't know if this is posted very often, but I'm curious to find out what people think about Neil Srauss and "The Game."

I'd like to hear what women have to say on the issue because I haven't really heard too much from them about it.

Do the techniques work or is it a waste of time to consider?

The only steps that I don't like are the dress crazy (peacock theory) and the part where you have to show some kind of trick or card/ESP reading. I don't want to learn magic and how to read minds to pick up a chick...lol

It work pretty well, if you're planning on picking up a woman who doesn't have any female friends, doesn't have a job, doesn't have a working brain, and who hasn't watched TV since "Seinfeld" went off the air. Seriously, any woman with half a bit of sense can see a "pick-up artist" coming a mile away. The sole piece of good advice that was given in that book was "Open your mouth and talk to women." Everything else is floss and flash, and it's as likely to drive away a woman as attract her. Plus, it's best used for one night stands and/or vacation flings. You'll have a hard time finding a woman good enough to marry by using those tricks.

 

[Davetmat]

I agree, a pickup line may get her name and maybe a fake number.

But if you really want someone special you'll have to talk and let them get to know you and also you need to take the time to see if this person is actually what you're after!

Patience and Persistence are your best pickup lines

 

[sirsemega]

Well from what I hear it's not quite deep enough for what you really need. I've looked into David DeAngelo's Double your Dating and his stuff is pretty good. Works on how to generate attraction and cuts through the mysteries out there, like why women are attracted to jerks.

There's enough stuff out there on him that you should be able to find his material. Some of the stuff he was able to put into words that have worked for me on an instinctual level long ago when I was courting my wife. So it rings true. But again, most of this stuff is only useful if you are willing to try it out, read it and use what you want from these self help books.

 

[chopdropnchanne]

Well from what I hear it's not quite deep enough for what you really need. I've looked into David DeAngelo's Double your Dating and his stuff is pretty good. Works on how to generate attraction and cuts through the mysteries out there, like why women are attracted to jerks.

There's enough stuff out there on him that you should be able to find his material. Some of the stuff he was able to put into words that have worked for me on an instinctual level long ago when I was courting my wife. So it rings true. But again, most of this stuff is only useful if you are willing to try it out, read it and use what you want from these self help books.

I was going to mention this stuff. The good thing is that you can tailor this to some extent to your natural personality, too.

 

[romantic_always]

Well from what I hear it's not quite deep enough for what you really need. I've looked into David DeAngelo's Double your Dating and his stuff is pretty good. Works on how to generate attraction and cuts through the mysteries out there, like why women are attracted to jerks.

There's enough stuff out there on him that you should be able to find his material. Some of the stuff he was able to put into words that have worked for me on an instinctual level long ago when I was courting my wife. So it rings true. But again, most of this stuff is only useful if you are willing to try it out, read it and use what you want from these self help books.

Oh, how I wish the myth of women being attracted to jerks would go away...that, or the women who are attracted to jerks could be put in their own special club, and the jerks could go there.

Those girls make my gender look bad.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Oh, how I wish the myth of women being attracted to jerks would go away...that, or the women who are attracted to jerks could be put in their own special club, and the jerks could go there.

Those girls make my gender look bad.

It ain't a myth. Go by any jail and you'll see prisoners - the ultimate jerks - receiving conjugal visits from these mythical women. And those are the ones you can observe in any city or county in America, with no effort put into looking for proof at all.

Then there are the ones you occasionally run into - the women who whine endlessly about all the awful things their man does to them, yet she stays with him. She's not only attracted to that jerk - she's staying with him as a testament to the depth of her attraction.

What's really funny is when they break up they write newspaper articles about how good men are hard to find, all men are pigs, blah blah blah.


BTW I know by experience that a genuine PUA also makes one and a half hells of an awesome salesman.

 

[wavemeister]

In short: the pick-up techniques do work and work very well. But they take long time to master and mastering them requires a strong commitment. You are not going to become an accomplished PU artist just by dressing up and memorizing some canned lines and stories.

"The Game" was based on real people and events, but the author took plenty of liberties with facts. In particular, he made it appear that he became very good very fast, when in fact it took him a lot longer.

Also, it is helpful to remember that you cannot become good by just imitating Strauss or anyone else, you'll have to find a style that will reflect your personality.

 

[Malloy42]

I have read the book and seen a level of success with this method. I'm not a huge fan, as the book is mostly about bedding a woman, rather than getting to know her.

There are some nuggets of truth in there though. Approaching women that you have not had prior contact with is almost always met with failure. His techniques do include some ways of starting convos that don't telegraph "I'm hitting on you!"

Can I just say, as a socially out of tune guy. Give us a break sometimes. Most of us have something worthwhile to offer, but in a cold conversation, youLre never going to see our best, if you see the real us at all.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I did bar work for a while and I heard a lot of pick up lines. The downside of being a barmaid is that you can't just tell guys to fuck of and die; it's usually against company policy. They know A) You have to be polite and B) You ain't goin nowhere till closing time. Stupid lines I heard included: -

I lost my number, can I have yours?
Is that a ladder in your hose or a stairway to heaven?
That's a nice set of legs, what time do they open?
I hope you know CPR, cos you take my breath away!
Fuck me if I'm wrong, but haven't we met before?
I'm new in this town - could I have directions to your house?
I'm the new Milkman. Do you want it in the front or the back?
Do you know what'd look good on you? Me.
Do you believe in love at first sight, or should I walk by again?
That dress would look stunning in a crumpled heap on my bedroom floor.

Know how many of those guys I fucked?

*drumroll & fanfare*

Exactly... erm... none.

Take it from me young padawan, girls can spot a guy who is indiscriminately on the make from the opposite side of the room, from Norway if he's bathed in enough cheap cologne. Chat up lines are sleazy and they give off an 'I will happily fuck any woman on the planet who responds' vibe, which makes us feel cherished and special.

Don't do it.

You have been warned.

 

[no1son]

yer missing the point, velvet

so. are you saying that you have never fucked a guy you met while slinging drinks?
or just none of the aforementioned fellas trying one liners?

imo, the art of the pickup is about self-confidence and the ability to start conversations and relationships with entirely new people.

here is a great video that demonstrates it well, if you ask me.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Hmm, think the guy in the vid has too much of a 'connection' with his ego.

Trouble with most guys is they either lack confidence completely or imagine that an overabundance of it is a substitute for a personality. Anything too contrived comes across as sleazy and indiscriminate. I agree that guys need to have self confidence and be prepared to chat to new people and get shot down occasionally, that's why they all try to pull the barmaid, because she has to be polite and because they've had a few pints of courage. There's nothing worse than having a shy looking guy ask you out in a petrified whisper because it feels like kicking a puppy to turn him down.

Incidentally, I fucked one guy that I met while slinging drinks. That was due to a gradual familiarity and attraction because he was a regular customer, rather than a stunning pick up gambit.

I grant you, barstaff get cynical and jaded faster than most other women because so many guys chat them up simply because they're in the room and have a pulse. I didn't just mean just those who use oneliners but guys who try too hard and fall flat on their faces.

I don't feel that I missed the point but you're perfectly entitled to your opinion.

 

[no1son]

opinions are like assholes.

ya. you did miss the point. the o.p. was asking if pickup techniques work.

and they clearly DO work. its the psychology of human attraction.

the trick isnt in memorizing scripted routines or just coming on to women until you succeed in bedding one. its in being yourself; projecting self-confidence to the people around you.

the world is your oyster, lad. make it what you will.

the reason why mystery, style and others use magic tricks and astrology garbage is because more women believe in that shit than men do. you could just as easily find a connection with a gal over your mutual love of narcotics, tv, or beanbag chairs.

peacocking is valuable because:

1) it can be a great conversation starter. (What silly hat? I'm not wearing a silly hat!)

2) it displays confidence

3) an old navy buddy of mine showed me his watch in the bar one night. (See this watch? It's gotten me laid FIVE times!)

 

[emap]

Pick up lines work because at a bar generally the people are there to get drunk or laid, there really isn't another reason to go.

Any woman who says yes to a corny pick up line thinks your fuckable and doesn't want to see you in the morning. I mean seriously, do you think a woman who agree's that she would look better with you on her is looking for anything beyond a one nighter? For that matter, she probably won't even remember the sex.

Pick up lines do work on occassion yes, but never really for anything beyond sex. If your looking for something beyond sex, don't use a pick up line, if you use a pick up line you won't get a real phone number, you probably won't go to her place, usually it's your place, somebodies car or the alley.

Women do know pick up lines, we get to hear them alot, we tend to tell our friends about them so pretty much any pick up line ever said is known by every woman in the state.

If you want to attract a woman for something beyond a one nighter, first thing you want to do is through away the useless pick up line books, forget everything said in said books and then, do what you like doing and talk to women you see. Go to other places, if you like reading or read sometimes, go to a book store and talk to the women you see, talk to women at the grocery store, at the gym anywhere you go. Just remember, no pick up lines, no false anything be yourself be nice and eventually at least one woman will like you enough to get some coffee or something with you.

 

[ChrisPharmD]

I've read the book, and I think it's overexaggerated. I think you should value the concepts and ideas rather than follow the instructions strictly.

Negging, for instance, is a good idea. But you have to implement it into your "own" ruitine. Memorized lines just seem out of place and awkward.

Not only that, you really do want to be yourself. That way, it's a lot easier in the long-run. Showing confidence doesn't mean talking like an egotistical asshole. It means doing what you love and loving what you do.

 

[FatesJester]

It's interesting how folks on the net never fall for anything.

That book has sold millions of copies and unless the book is lying (which, granted is possible) a lot of women have "fallen" for these techniques. Unless they are online. And of course no guy online has tried this. Or bought the book. Because they are above it. And they women they go after are precious and worth far too much for them to try such horrid techniques on them.

Right.

Men want to get laid. Whether in the BDSM lifestyle, the swinger life, what have you and we'll do damn near anything to get laid. Or perhaps I'm the only one. Cuz all the other guys on the internet are better.

Right.

If you hadn't already heard of the book as soon as you saw it mentioned you looked it up and bought it.

 

[ChrisPharmD]

It's interesting how folks on the net never fall for anything.

That book has sold millions of copies and unless the book is lying (which, granted is possible) a lot of women have "fallen" for these techniques. Unless they are online. And of course no guy online has tried this. Or bought the book. Because they are above it. And they women they go after are precious and worth far too much for them to try such horrid techniques on them.

Right.

Men want to get laid. Whether in the BDSM lifestyle, the swinger life, what have you and we'll do damn near anything to get laid. Or perhaps I'm the only one. Cuz all the other guys on the internet are better.

Right.

If you hadn't already heard of the book as soon as you saw it mentioned you looked it up and bought it.

Or maybe that's because you never actually walk up to a girl on the internet.

Right.

 

[The_Big_O]

When it comes to one-liners there is one that has worked successful to me, and it is:

''Do you want to dance?''

Most of the time the girl gets stunned since she dont know you and a complete stranger comes up to her. But i have experienced that most of the time the girl answers yes and it shows self-confidence without using shitty pick-up lines.. After the dance you can ask her if she wants a beer (a drink is a lil bit to much as it will seem like your only trying to get her drunk rather than getting to know her) or something and then the talking should go easily as the tension has already been kind of released when both of you danced and told eachother what your names was.

Havent done this much, but both of the times times i did it worked out.


All of this might be junk for all that i know, havent read any PUA books or seen any shows etc. But this is a method ive figured out that works for me.. But the stuff about showing card-tricks etc... I find it stupid as most girls with an iq above 70 will think of this as your trying to show-off and in need of attention. But it would be cool to read some of those books and try em out. That David DeAngelo dude sounded interesting..

my 2 cents.

 

[MollyBloom]

I haven't read the book you're talking about, but I've watched The Pick Up Artist on tv. I actually think those techniques would work, and not just sexually. Isn't Mystery (LOL...the name) also a magician? It seemed like a lot of the techniques were just about projecting confidence and making people feel comfortable with you quickly. I know I get nervous meeting new people, so I'd imagine being able to control those feelings would make it easier to meet new people...women or men.

Peacocking...also known as a conversation piece. Men do tend to dress blandly, so something that would set you apart might make you interesting.

I'd like to think I wouldn't fall for that kind of thing, but at the heart, I'm not sure there's really that much there to fall for. I think the techniques on the show were just teaching things that some people do quite naturally.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

ya. you did miss the point. the o.p. was asking if pickup techniques work.

and they clearly DO work. its the psychology of human attraction.

the trick isnt in memorizing scripted routines or just coming on to women until you succeed in bedding one. its in being yourself; projecting self-confidence to the people around you.

the world is your oyster, lad. make it what you will.

the reason why mystery, style and others use magic tricks and astrology garbage is because more women believe in that shit than men do. you could just as easily find a connection with a gal over your mutual love of narcotics, tv, or beanbag chairs.

peacocking is valuable because:

1) it can be a great conversation starter. (What silly hat? I'm not wearing a silly hat!)

2) it displays confidence

3) an old navy buddy of mine showed me his watch in the bar one night. (See this watch? It's gotten me laid FIVE times!)

Yeah and that's your opinion. Great stuff, I'm proud of you. My opinion was from the perspective of a woman who dislikes all that crap and doesn't respond to it. If the OP is a real wannabe lothario, he'll come up against that.

I have not missed your point, mine is merely a different one.

 

[romantic_always]

When it comes to one-liners there is one that has worked successful to me, and it is:

''Do you want to dance?''

Most of the time the girl gets stunned since she dont know you and a complete stranger comes up to her. But i have experienced that most of the time the girl answers yes and it shows self-confidence without using shitty pick-up lines.. After the dance you can ask her if she wants a beer (a drink is a lil bit to much as it will seem like your only trying to get her drunk rather than getting to know her) or something and then the talking should go easily as the tension has already been kind of released when both of you danced and told eachother what your names was.

Havent done this much, but both of the times times i did it worked out.


All of this might be junk for all that i know, havent read any PUA books or seen any shows etc. But this is a method ive figured out that works for me.. But the stuff about showing card-tricks etc... I find it stupid as most girls with an iq above 70 will think of this as your trying to show-off and in need of attention. But it would be cool to read some of those books and try em out. That David DeAngelo dude sounded interesting..

my 2 cents.

This is MUCH more legit. It shows that there doesn't need to be any fancy tricks in order to have a good time with a girl, whether it's just for sex or more.

 

[subwannabe]

I think the bottom line is, "What is it you are looking for and what kind of woman are you looking for? If you are looking to "pick someone up to fuck" and you are ok with her being a moron or a sleezy bitch with STD's, then pickup lines should work. If you are actually looking for someone to date on a regular basis that isn't a moron or a sleezy bitch with STD's, then don't be dilusional about what you are going to wind up with. As someone else has already said the only way to pick someone up in a bar that has any chance at all would be to ask them if they wanted to dance.