Philando Castile

[MNGuy]

Initially this one looks bad for the cop.

According to one witness, 30 seconds from the traffic stop to shooting.

CCW holders, when you inform a LEO that you are carrying, keep your hands on the steering wheel and ask them how they wish to proceed.

Don't make any movement towards where gun could be.

Video from inside the car moments after the shooting.

 

[richard_daily]

Read about this quite a bit this morning.

At best, the cop is guilty of violating the basic principals of firearms safety (knowing what is beyond your target, in this case, a young girl in the back seat) and at worst the cop is guilty of manslaughter or possibly murder.

A CCL holder has to go through rigorous background checks, and should be seen by the cops as a "good guy". In this case, that wasn't done, and a young girl had to witness a shooting in front of her eyes because the officer didn't show a modicum of common sense in this situation.

I don't know for certain if in this case it was true, but in most states, including mine, the information that a CCL is present and that a legal gun is likely to be on the person comes up when a cop runs the plates of the car in question.

If the officer felt threatened, he should have gotten back up and asked the man to exit the car and put his hands on his head. Instead, he asked for license and registration and then pulled out his pistol and shot the man when he did as instructed.

 

[Tryharder62]

It is a very scary time to be both a police officer and someone stopped. I was stopped and put both my hands on the steering wheel. When he asked for my license I told him it was in my purse and asked him if I could get it. My registration was in the glove box and I asked him if I could get it. I couldn't do a police officer's job if I had to. Much respect goes to those who serve. I am in no way saying that those who have been shot are at fault. It is just those split second choices if you perceive you are going to be shot. Things can be wrong.

On another note that is the strangest video I have ever seen. I know people grieve differently but to me that woman was strange in the recording. I would be more concerned about helping my boyfriend but that is just me.

 

[Lancecastor]

US Segregation, 21st Century Style

Falcon Heights is one of the best-educated cities in the nation.

In 2008 Falcon Heights was rated the 65th highest-educated cities in the United States with 70.3% of residents having a bachelor's degree or higher; 38.1% having a graduate or professional degree.

Falcon heights is 74% white, 8% black.

Here's their car:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4491552/thumbs/o-PHILANDO-CASTILE-SHOOTING-570.jpg?16

In the USA, poor black people with guns probably should steer clear of white above average income neighborhoods....just as well to do white folks know to stay out of poor black neighborhoods.

 

[Paul_Chance]

I'll be curious what the investigation finds about whether or not he had the CCL. (So far, I've only see his girlfriends claim that he did.)

 

[pensivepoet]

Here's their car:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4491552/thumbs/o-PHILANDO-CASTILE-SHOOTING-570.jpg?16

In the USA, poor black people with guns probably should steer clear of white above average income neighborhoods....just as well to do white folks know to stay out of poor black neighborhoods.

Sad but true
And getting truer

 

[richard_daily]

Here's their car:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4491552/thumbs/o-PHILANDO-CASTILE-SHOOTING-570.jpg?16

In the USA, poor black people with guns probably should steer clear of white above average income neighborhoods....just as well to do white folks know to stay out of poor black neighborhoods.

Lance, with the old "did you see what she was wearing" argument.

Nothing like some victim-blaming to stroke off to, huh lance?

Did you correspond with Ken Kraft to get all the rape stories he collected?

 

[Lancecastor]

Sad but true
And getting truer

It's been that way in big cities my whole life...unspoken segregation.

 

[Noor]

This happened last night not too far away from me.
The cop who shot him was supposedly Asian, and there was another cop on the other side of the car.
The cops are from St Anthony that Falcon Heights contracts for police.
Usually they have one man per squad car, I don't understand why there were two.

People are really angry around here. It was totally senseless, a tail light or something stop. I don't understand why they didn't at least try to tourniquet his arm so he didn't bleed out. First, they shoot him 4-5 times in the arm and then let him bleed to death. Complete idiots!

I and many of my friends have had issues with St Anthony cops esp. if we are driving older model cars.

About 10 yrs ago, I was driving my 17 yr old car to work from St. Paul to my job in Falcon Heights within crawling distance of the shooting. It was -22 degrees Fahrenheit and this cop followed me for 5 minutes from St. Paul to Falcon Heights, the minute I crossed into Falcon Heights, he pulled me over for tabs being expired by a day. The car's heat had just barely started by this time.

He told me to turn off the car. I asked him if we could go to a nearby business or my work which was a block away and he said no. I gave him my license and registration, he also wanted my insurance, but my hands were so cold that I couldn't get it out of the papers in the glove box. I offered the stack of papers to him, but he refused it.

He went back to his car and for 20 minutes ran my info. I was literally freezing! I started making calls. When he finally looked at me and saw me on the phone he came back with a warning on the tabs, a big ticket on the insurance, plus a bunch of other fees for Falcon Heights.

I drove to the DMV, then the courthouse, showed my insurance, and reported him.
They dropped the ticket.
A few weeks later he pulls me over again to ask me out!
I let him have it. I reported him again, this time to his dept, as well as the county.
I was told he would stay away from me. I stopped driving in that area until I got a different car and even then I still try and stay out of their jurisdiction in the evenings, late morning, anytime with low traffic.

I guess I better go tape my broken tail light cover. The light works.

 

[Noor]

Here's their car:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4491552/thumbs/o-PHILANDO-CASTILE-SHOOTING-570.jpg?16

In the USA, poor black people with guns probably should steer clear of white above average income neighborhoods....just as well to do white folks know to stay out of poor black neighborhoods.

The only thing that makes Falcon Heights a city is that the state fairgrounds and the University of Minnesota Aggy campus are in it. The U of MN married students housing alone is full of graduate students that no doubt raises the average education rate.
It is very small, doesn't even have a post office. My neighborhood has a post office!

The St Anthony police are used to dealing with serious crime and gang bangers that spill from neighboring north Minneapolis so they are a totally inappropriate police force for a basically bedroom inner suburb to contract with.

 

[Noor]

Quote:
Falcon Heights is one of the best-educated cities in the nation.

In 2008 Falcon Heights was rated the 65th highest-educated cities in the United States with 70.3% of residents having a bachelor's degree or higher; 38.1% having a graduate or professional degree.

Falcon heights is 74% white, 8% black.

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The above numbers sound off because there should be a good percent of Asian like at least 12% in there. Also Job Corp is in Falcon Heights which is highly diverse.

 

[bronzeage]

Initially this one looks bad for the cop.

According to one witness, 30 seconds from the traffic stop to shooting.

CCW holders, when you inform a LEO that you are carrying, keep your hands on the steering wheel and ask them how they wish to proceed.

Don't make any movement towards where gun could be.

Video from inside the car moments after the shooting.

Apparently policemen are trained to draw and fire, upon hearing the word gun.

 

[Noor]

Apparently policemen are trained to draw and fire, upon hearing the word gun.

Either that or the Chicago Pd's old mentality of "shoot first, ask questions" later has migrated up here.

 

[pensivepoet]

In a small town in ky I lived in, they elected a sheriff named Slick. In the few years he was sheriff, he shot 5 people, killing 4.
I worked with a guy who had been his deputy.
He told me that he had to call Slick before arresting someone or giving them a ticket.
Slick would decide who got busted and who got let go.
The former deputy also told me he spent most of his time picking up envelopes of cash.
Last week I talked to a guy who is a cop in that town now.
I asked him about the stories.
He said they're all true and much more.
The town has a pop. of about 3000.
All the blacks are in a slum set by itself and they are almost never seen.
I went into a supply store there, and was telling the clerk that things used to be made better.
He said, loudly, "that was back when we could hunt coons, and I don't mean the 4 legged kind"
There was a black guy standing right behind me.
That town scares me.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm sorry.

It's easy to start cop conjecture.

It's harder to wait for facts. If the facts bear out...

I'll be the first to condemn the individual, but I will not tarnish the whole.

 

[Disgustipated]

I'm sorry.

It's easy to start cop conjecture.

It's harder to wait for facts. If the facts bear out...

I'll be the first to condemn the individual, but I will not tarnish the whole.

I'm sure the entire police force is awaiting your super important findings.

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[Lorilei]

In a small town in ky I lived in, they elected a sheriff named Slick. In the few years he was sheriff, he shot 5 people, killing 4.
I worked with a guy who had been his deputy.
He told me that he had to call Slick before arresting someone or giving them a ticket.
Slick would decide who got busted and who got let go.
The former deputy also told me he spent most of his time picking up envelopes of cash.
Last week I talked to a guy who is a cop in that town now.
I asked him about the stories.
He said they're all true and much more.
The town has a pop. of about 3000.
All the blacks are in a slum set by itself and they are almost never seen.
I went into a supply store there, and was telling the clerk that things used to be made better.
He said, loudly, "that was back when we could hunt coons, and I don't mean the 4 legged kind"
There was a black guy standing right behind me.
That town scares me.

God, I fucking hate people.

 

[Lancecastor]

This happened last night not too far away from me.
The cop who shot him was supposedly Asian, and there was another cop on the other side of the car.
The cops are from St Anthony that Falcon Heights contracts for police.
Usually they have one man per squad car, I don't understand why there were two.

People are really angry around here. It was totally senseless, a tail light or something stop. I don't understand why they didn't at least try to tourniquet his arm so he didn't bleed out. First, they shoot him 4-5 times in the arm and then let him bleed to death. Complete idiots!

I and many of my friends have had issues with St Anthony cops esp. if we are driving older model cars.

About 10 yrs ago, I was driving my 17 yr old car to work from St. Paul to my job in Falcon Heights within crawling distance of the shooting. It was -22 degrees Fahrenheit and this cop followed me for 5 minutes from St. Paul to Falcon Heights, the minute I crossed into Falcon Heights, he pulled me over for tabs being expired by a day. The car's heat had just barely started by this time.

He told me to turn off the car. I asked him if we could go to a nearby business or my work which was a block away and he said no. I gave him my license and registration, he also wanted my insurance, but my hands were so cold that I couldn't get it out of the papers in the glove box. I offered the stack of papers to him, but he refused it.

He went back to his car and for 20 minutes ran my info. I was literally freezing! I started making calls. When he finally looked at me and saw me on the phone he came back with a warning on the tabs, a big ticket on the insurance, plus a bunch of other fees for Falcon Heights.

I drove to the DMV, then the courthouse, showed my insurance, and reported him.
They dropped the ticket.
A few weeks later he pulls me over again to ask me out!
I let him have it. I reported him again, this time to his dept, as well as the county.
I was told he would stay away from me. I stopped driving in that area until I got a different car and even then I still try and stay out of their jurisdiction in the evenings, late morning, anytime with low traffic.

I guess I better go tape my broken tail light cover. The light works.

I did a ride along job with the cops while in law school and later was a police commissioner for a few years...and they dont call them pigs for nothing.

The pretty girl harassment to get a date is common practice... They run your plate to see if you are the sole owner of the car and if your address is an apartment, you get pulled over to get checked out.

And as you've noted, older cars in good neighborhoods is another standard pull-over.

The police are supposed to be symbolic of our civilized, free society. To serve and protect.

To the extent that they fall short... And to the extent that blacks and white continue to distrust each other... Is a measure of a broken social order.

 

[neci]

It is a very scary time to be both a police officer and someone stopped. I was stopped and put both my hands on the steering wheel. When he asked for my license I told him it was in my purse and asked him if I could get it. My registration was in the glove box and I asked him if I could get it. I couldn't do a police officer's job if I had to. Much respect goes to those who serve. I am in no way saying that those who have been shot are at fault. It is just those split second choices if you perceive you are going to be shot. Things can be wrong.

On another note that is the strangest video I have ever seen. I know people grieve differently but to me that woman was strange in the recording. I would be more concerned about helping my boyfriend but that is just me.

she is in shock. there is an officer with a gun pointed at her, her boyfriend has been shot, and the only thing she can do is record. if she moves her hands to help her boyfriend who is bleeding out, she gets shot as well.

i am sure your concern would have been much greater than hers, since as a white woman, you don't have to worry about being shot by the police.

 

[neci]

"it's okay, i'm right here with you."

 

[Noor]

I did a ride along job with the cops while in law school and later was a police commissioner for a few years...and they dont call them pigs for nothing.

The pretty girl harassment to get a date is common practice... They run your plate to see if you are the sole owner of the car and if your address is an apartment, you get pulled over to get checked out.

And as you've noted, older cars in good neighborhoods is another standard pull-over.

The police are supposed to be symbolic of our civilized, free society. To serve and protect.

To the extent that they fall short... And to the extent that blacks and white continue to distrust each other... Is a measure of a broken social order.

My just landlord stopped by and we were talking. He said he too had been stopped by St Anthony Police in Falcon Heights, and they had stopped him outside their jurisdiction too! He said as far as he knew they were basically rent-a-cops much of the time.

I live in a fairly good neighborhood where it would be considered ostentatious to buy new cars all the time. Most people here keep their cars for 8-10 yrs. They often buy them a year or two old from one of two used car dealers. They are nice cars. My current car is 15 yrs old.

The harrassing ones are usually guys in their 20's to 30's. I know a few St. Paul police from the work place, and most of the ones I know are nice, but they would warn us to be careful about dating cops.

To be fair, on two occasions a friend and I requested assisstance from St. Anthony police in this area and both times they did a good job.

The second time was a pretty scary situation. They sent a team of cars and ambulances. They got assistance from other police depts, the county and St. Paul.
It was a bad situation where they were fully prepared for dead bodies but everyone got out alive. They were very careful, very professional and did a great job.

 

[Noor]

she is in shock. there is an officer with a gun pointed at her, her boyfriend has been shot, and the only thing she can do is record. if she moves her hands to help her boyfriend who is bleeding out, she gets shot as well.

i am sure your concern would have been much greater than hers, since as a white woman, you don't have to worry about being shot by the police.

I agree she was in shock you can tell by her voice. It was a surreal situation, what cop shoots someone's arm 4-5 times?
I would have been afraid of being shot, I suspect the other police officer was afraid of being shot, the one who did the shooting sounded out of control like he wasn't totally there or something.
I remember that from Vietnam vets with malaria war flash backs, until they returned to earth you had no idea what they would do.

"it's okay, i'm right here with you."

A good child. She was probably saying what her mom said to her when she is terrified.

 

[pensivepoet]

The cop clearly lost it
Was in full panic
And still had his gun trained on them as he ordered her to keep her hands as they were.
If she had made a move towards the bf, there'd probably be two bodies.
Shoot 4 times into a car with a 4 yr old in the car, and a woman on the other side of the victim?
Imo, this was a bad cop who lost it.
And then the cops make this unarmed mom get out, walk backwards while their guns were on her, force her to her knees and cuff her, while her bf bled to death.
What threat had she made??
This shit was bad.

 

[phrodeau]

He could fire his gun four times before his judgment kicked in. Now that's a proper weapon.

 

[Noor]

It's pretty shocking. One of my neighbors, who said they had been pulled over by St Anthony police too, said they might expect something like this in Minneapolis but not here...