Perhaps the GOP tide is turning.

[voluptuary_manque]

At least according to Newsweek.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Pishposh.

New England Moderate Republicans are upset because Obama plans to make them pay for the new healthcare entitlement. This is the old, defunct Rockefeller wing of the GOP. Remember Mrs. Drysdale of the old Beverly Hillbillies?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

The GOP is inevitably doomed.

Whites are becoming a minority in the US, and the GOP, a party heavily reliant on the white vote, has astoundingly low penetration among Hispanics and African Americans, the two largest minority groups.

Patrick Buchanan had a lot to say about that and he was quite right.

 

[a5t2b]

Perhaps, and hopefully it will, was born and raised in Honduras, even though grandparents (WW I), my dad (WW II - Nam), myself, came in 1987 in 89 got into the military as well, alike my ancestors had, was from Panama till Somalia, when I did get out, and sorry for that, my votes when '88 Bush (father); '92 again for him; '96 Sorry Clinton, he had done a more or less decent job; 2000 Voted for Prior AD Military, and was not Bush; nor in 2004; 2008, McCain, but he was surrounded by some inefficient people on his campaign, at all levels.

Main thing for the GOP, is rebuild the bases, just like the Democrats did, w/o a BASE u may get nowhere, but if you do build a STRONG base, then you may have a better success in everything.

 

[3113]

At least according to Newsweek.

VM, what ARE you doing on Sara Palin's couch?

http://ndn1.newsweek.com/media/55/Palin_SLAHv2.jpg

 

[DesertPirate]

VM, what ARE you doing on Sara Palin's couch?

http://ndn1.newsweek.com/media/55/Palin_SLAHv2.jpg

Tryin to get some, what else would our Bear be doing?

 

[TE999]

VM, what ARE you doing on Sara Palin's couch?

http://ndn1.newsweek.com/media/55/Palin_SLAHv2.jpg

Looks to me like they're both playing hard to get.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

VM, what ARE you doing on Sara Palin's couch?

http://ndn1.newsweek.com/media/55/Palin_SLAHv2.jpg

Remember that thread about the worst sex you ever had?

 

[DesertPirate]

Remember that thread about the worst sex you ever had?

That's just cold!

 

[glynndah]

Looks to me like they're both playing hard to get.

Looks like that bear should have tried just a teeny bit harder.

 

[sr71plt]

"the GOP, a party heavily reliant on the white vote, has astoundingly low penetration among Hispanics"

Tilt. In the two Bush the Lesser elections, the GOP far outstripped the Democrats on the Hispanic vote (because Bush went after their votes and his opponentes didn't). I edited a series of studies for an academic press crying out to the Democrats to notice what was happening to the Hispanic vote.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

"the GOP, a party heavily reliant on the white vote, has astoundingly low penetration among Hispanics"

Tilt. In the two Bush the Lesser elections, the GOP far outstripped the Democrats on the Hispanic vote (because Bush went after their votes and his opponentes didn't). I edited a series of studies for an academic press crying out to the Democrats to notice what was happening to the Hispanic vote.

The fact that his sister-in-law is Hispanic didn't hurt, especially when the Florida nephew (who is fluent in Spanish) campaigned for him.

 

[TE999]

Looks like that bear should have tried just a teeny bit harder.

He did, but she turned him down flat.

 

[sr71plt]

The fact that his sister-in-law is Hispanic didn't hurt, especially when the Florida nephew (who is fluent in Spanish) campaigned for him.

Agreed. But he took advantage of that. One of his camp's smarter moves; caught the Democrats completely flatfooted.

The Democrats thought "poor people of color. They'll naturally be for us." Wrong. Mostly Catholics and with a heritage of being very conservative politically, and the status quo in the States was just hunky dorry for them compared with where they came from. (Not to mention that the Hispanics and blacks pair off more against each other than either does against the whites.)

 

[voluptuary_manque]

With the predictable exception of California, where the dimbulbs who head up the party have gone out of their way to offend anyone with a Spanish last name.

 

[TE999]

With the predictable exception of California, where the dimbulbs who head up the party have gone out of their way to offend anyone with a Spanish last name.

What happened there? Just curious.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

What happened there? Just curious.

Pete Wilson got a measure on the ballot that would cut all funding from illegal immigrants in regards to schools, medical care, everything. What he was hoping to do, I think, was force the Fed to pick up the cost of all those illegals they weren't doing a good job of catching at the border. It passed but a bunch of Hispanic lawyers sued and got the measure quashed. Ever since then, the California Hispanic population has been deeply suspicious of the GOP and the fat old farts who run the party in this state don't seem to understand why. Either that, or they're so committed to the idea that anyone with a Spanish last name is a wetbck that they don't realize what it's doing to their political hopes.

 

[3113]

Given this article I'd say that it's going to be very hard for them to turn that tide, at least with any speed:

A new study by the Pew Research Center finds that the GOP is alienating scientists to a startling degree. Only six percent of America's scientists identify themselves as Republicans; fifty-five percent call themselves Democrats. By comparison, 23 percent of the overall public considers itself Republican, while 35 percent say they're Democrats.....The results could merely be a reflection of how scientists see the world, rather than of partisan loyalties.

Full article here.

That does still leave some 40% as independents, you'll note.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Agreed. But he took advantage of that. One of his camp's smarter moves; caught the Democrats completely flatfooted.

The Democrats thought "poor people of color. They'll naturally be for us." Wrong. Mostly Catholics and with a heritage of being very conservative politically, and the status quo in the States was just hunky dorry for them compared with where they came from. (Not to mention that the Hispanics and blacks pair off more against each other than either does against the whites.)

I believe the Hispanic population in Florida is largely Cuban, whereas the West is largely Mexican or Central American, and the Northeast has many Puerto Ricans and South American immigrants. I know Jeb Bush carried weight with the Cuban bloc, but did Republicans do well with other subgroups? All he really needed was Florida.

 

[TE999]

Pete Wilson got a measure on the ballot that would cut all funding from illegal immigrants in regards to schools, medical care, everything. What he was hoping to do, I think, was force the Fed to pick up the cost of all those illegals they weren't doing a good job of catching at the border. It passed but a bunch of Hispanic lawyers sued and got the measure quashed. Ever since then, the California Hispanic population has been deeply suspicious of the GOP and the fat old farts who run the party in this state don't seem to understand why. Either that, or they're so committed to the idea that anyone with a Spanish last name is a wetback that they don't realize what it's doing to their political hopes.

I'd imagine they're playing to the anti-illegal immigrant faction, and turning a blind eye to the fact that the southern portion of the state is, for all rights and purposes, Tiajuana Norte.

 

[TE999]

Given this article I'd say that it's going to be very hard for them to turn that tide, at least with any speed:


Full article here.

That does still leave some 40% as independents, you'll note.

It's refreshing to see some people are still thinking for themselves. I wonder how many are Libertarians? The excessive pendulum swings of left and right wing politics in this country are alienating greater numbers of the voting public. Maybe a valid third partyin the near future is a possibility.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

It's refreshing to see some people are still thinking for themselves. I wonder how many are Libertarians? The excessive pendulum swings of left and right wing politics in this country are alienating greater numbers of the voting public. Maybe a valid third partyin the near future is a possibility.

Let's get one thing straight, "Libertarian Party" is an oxymoron. Whoever the third party ends up being, the wackos who take Libertarianism as a political model won't be leading it. They can't get along with each other long enough to run a campaign. I've gone from being an Independent to a liberal Republican and back to an Independent. There is some small possibility that I could eventually become a conservative Democrat but not belonging to a party is cheaper.

 

[JackLuis]

It's refreshing to see some people are still thinking for themselves. I wonder how many are Libertarians? The excessive pendulum swings of left and right wing politics in this country are alienating greater numbers of the voting public. Maybe a valid third partyin the near future is a possibility.

So who leads in this 3rd party? A ravaging beast like Beck, or a firey Berkley Feminist, A Midwesterner Governor with White hair and a glib message of ...(insert here) and "freedom"?

For my self I would like someone sane, articulate, more like J. William Fullbright, than George Bush (either of them). His "Arrogance of Power" was masterful yet LBJ couldn't even see reality.

 

[Safe_Bet]

VM, what ARE you doing on Sara Palin's couch?

http://ndn1.newsweek.com/media/55/Palin_SLAHv2.jpg

Remember that thread about the worst sex you ever had?

Oh, come on VM! The though of Sarah P being fisted by a giant bear claw has me giddy!

 

[Huckleman2000]

Oh, come on VM! The though of Sarah P being fisted by a giant bear claw has me giddy!

Yeah, the woman makes you want to explore your BDSM side, doesn't she?