Performance : Art

Which if ANY of the five performers was begging

  • A. Begging?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • B. Begging?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C. Begging?

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • D. Begging?

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • E. Begging?

    Votes: 2 28.6%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .

neonlyte

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Continuing with my struggle to sensationalise my writing so it can begin to resemble real life, in the 'truth is stranger than fiction' theme, I got to thinking about Performance Art. So here is a little something to lend an excuse to procrastination.

There are five events listed below. I've personally seen them all over a number of years. Are any of these events 'Art' or Performance Art if you prefer. Was any of these performers 'begging for money', of course B sold things, but was he begging - VOTE for which one you think might have been a beggar in the POLL.

I'll reveal all on Sunday evening.



A. In a public space stands a young woman. She stands on a slightly raised dais, and exhibit in all but name. An older woman invites the public milling around to cut away a small section of the clothing of the young woman until she is finally left exhibiting her nakedness.

B. A man in his late twenties or early thirties rents an empty shop. He moves all of his possessions into the shop, and over the course of three days sells or gives away to the public and passers by last thing that he owns, including the clothes he is wearing, until he is left exhibiting his nakedness.

C. An old woman rests in the sunlight in a public space, her back against a low stone bench. She has a polythene bag over her head, taped with an industrial tape across her shoulders back and front. For a short while it is possible to see her face, but her breathing and the heat, mist the bag until her face is a pink blur. She breathes very shallowly, the bag scarcely moves. A notice invites the public to remove the bag.

D. A young 'conventionally attractive' girl stands naked, except for black shiny high-heeled shoes, on a catwalk of the type you might see at a fashion parade. The catwalk is coated with molten chocolate and the 'model' parades once or twice along its length finally sitting, then crawling, then rolling in the molten chocolate until she is completely coated. The public is invited to 'eat her'.

E. A woman in her late thirties, a 'conventional mum' appears in a public space wearing ankle length boots and a shiny black raincoat. She removes the raincoat and reveals a short black 'cocktail dress'. She removes the cocktail dress and reveals her body clad acetate sheets onto which have been photocopied the front covers of popular Womans' magazines. She hands a kitchen cleaner spray to members of the public and for each spray she receives, she removes one of the acetate sheets until all are removed and she is naked.
 
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I voted!

Abs, don't forget you need to be nice. Just like the doctor said. Remember?
 
zeb1094 said:
I voted!

Abs, don't forget you need to be nice. Just like the doctor said. Remember?
This was the knee doctor, I don't have to be nice. :p
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Salvor is a pig.

zeb1094 said:
Abs, don't forget you need to be nice. Just like the doctor said. Remember?


If all she did was call me a pig, she was being nice! I think she likes me just a little. well as much as she can with me being a guy and all ;)
 
So... having picked one that you think is begging, are the others Art? And what makes them Art?
 
neonlyte said:
So... having picked one that you think is begging, are the others Art? And what makes them Art?

They are art in that they are expressions of a person's creative intent. They may not be good art, just like there are more than a few wretched pieces of literautre here in and amongst the truly profound writings. They are art in that people are trying to make a statement, challenge a view poitn, make someone think if even only to think "that person is nuts".

I wouldn't call it great art, or even waste money on it perse, but it is art in their minds.
 
Salvor-Hardon said:
They are art in that they are expressions of a person's creative intent. They may not be good art, just like there are more than a few wretched pieces of literautre here in and amongst the truly profound writings. They are art in that people are trying to make a statement, challenge a view point, make someone think if even only to think "that person is nuts".

I wouldn't call it great art, or even waste money on it perse, but it is art in their minds.

That might have got you relegated from 'pig' to 'piglet' in Ab's view - good save :D

Are there ways in which visual expression can be more focussed than written expression? I don't address this to you specifically Sal, just thinking out loud. Do we use a different part of our brain to interpret visual and written. Trying to write the intention behind any of the 'performances' would be, I think. astonishingly difficult, and quite probably dull. And I use these examples because of the nudity element, in most, it draws a parallel with erotic fiction/fantasy but to convey an entirely different message.

As I say, just thinking out loud.
 
neonlyte said:
Are there ways in which visual expression can be more focussed than written expression? I don't address this to you specifically Sal, just thinking out loud. Do we use a different part of our brain to interpret visual and written. Trying to write the intention behind any of the 'performances' would be, I think. astonishingly difficult, and quite probably dull. And I use these examples because of the nudity element, in most, it draws a parallel with erotic fiction/fantasy but to convey an entirely different message.

As I say, just thinking out loud.


I think each art discipline has it strengths and weaknesses for voicing the human experience. Michelangelo's David is a great piece of work showing the glory of the human body. To try to write something that transcends languages and exclaims "behold humanity and wonder" would be a daunting task.

By the same token, a visual medium expression Shakespeare's 29th Sonnet withthe range of emotions and ideals all concernign the very thought of a loved one would be equally improbable, even in a dynamic medium like video.

Drama, Art, music, dance and literature, each and every has a way of touching us. We just have to find whom and what we want to touch.
 
I didn't vote, as I don't see any of them as begging. I see them all as pathetic attempts at grabbing attention that sully the name of art.

I am aware that any and all of the artists and their fans would inform me that I 'don't get it', but in this case, I'm very happy not to. I think all five are examples of what happens when people think they're cleverer than they are and in my opinion are uniformly rubbish.

Not that I'm sitting on the fence or anything...

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
I didn't vote, as I don't see any of them as begging. I see them all as pathetic attempts at grabbing attention that sully the name of art.

I am aware that any and all of the artists and their fans would inform me that I 'don't get it', but in this case, I'm very happy not to. I think all five are examples of what happens when people think they're cleverer than they are and in my opinion are uniformly rubbish.

Not that I'm sitting on the fence or anything...

The Earl

Apology Zeb - forgot this thread, been writing.

Earl
Then I'll really piss you off and tell you four of them were performed using public funds, good job you are not paying taxes yet ;) I kidding you Earl, though the part about public funds is true.

The woman with the plastic bag over her head was in a square in Lisbon on Friday. My response was to remove the bag, none of the rest of a crowd of twenty seemed bothered. She appeared to be incredibly down on her luck, but perception can be deceiving, good beggers are specialists at deception.

As for the 'Art' aspect of the performances, if worked closely with artists for thirty years, I could explain them to you, but it might be tedious. The one you ought to 'get' is E. it parallels my inquisitiveness on the 'Advertising.... Screwing the Message' thread. I can show you pictures ;)
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I didn't vote either. Just feeling deprived since I have enver seen any of these things :(

Colly,
A. is Yoko Ono at Alexandra Palace, London circa '68 - it's been repeated, with obviously less 'shock' value over the years.
B. Is a an UK performance artist, whose name I forget, in 2000, Bond Street, one of London's most fashionable streets.
D. An Irish artist, you would have loved to be there.
E. A Polish artist I saw last year in Lublin, Poland. She performed before the opening of my wife's exhibition in Lublin. We ate breakfast together in a Nunnery where we all started, a wholly different type of performance, and one I'm still intent of stringing a story around.
 
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