People's views on femdom stories

[SlaveNano]

I am new to Literotica - this is my first thread - but I do have a couple of my stories posted. My stories draw heavily on the themes of femdom, female supremacy and Goddess worship. I'm a bit disappointed at the lowish ratings my stories seem to be getting. Yes, I know I shouldn't let this get to me but I am curious as to why.

Although I think its pretty obvious from the titles what the theme of these stories is I wonder how female supremacy is viewed by readers and posters in this area.

The impression I get is that the vast majority of bdsm stories are about men dominating women. I wonder how masters and submissive females react to stories of feminine domination and how far they can relate to them and enjoy them. Is femdom seen as a mainstream part of this bdsm strand or as something apart?

I'd just be interested to get people's views on this.

 

[Netzach]

Pretty much never the twain. I've yet to see a M/f oriented reader really enjoy F/m unless it was a female reader with a bit of the sado in her maybe.

Then again, I'm a Female Dominant and I prefer M/m. I find most F/m written by men, completely oblivious to what I, as a woman, find hot, and M/m accidentally tunes in better. I'm also bi, but when it comes to being able to identify, in most stories there's already a woman in them I can't relate to as a human being at all, so I would rather just be a voyeur to a M/m relationship.

However, I think it's kind of dumb that Lit. audiences rate stuff based on whether the theme gives them a boner if they know it's not going to, versus whether it's well written.

Be aware that not everyone into Female Dominance is into Female biological supremacy or maybe they don't like your particular brand thereof - who can ever guess the motives of others?

Just write what you want.

 

[subwannabe]

I really don't know what to tell you. I think here in the Literotica bulletin board there are definetly more male doms and female subs than the other way around. I guess that is maybe the answer to your question. I also agree with the other poster that this seems to turn more submales on than female doms on. She could very well be right that what a male wants out of a sub relationship is actually different than what a female dom wants out of the relationship. So, if that is the case, your readership would be narrowed down to only male subs and not female doms or male doms or female subs. You only have about a 25% audience. Being a male sub, I personally like this category the most. I would be happy to read any story you had. Please provide links or whatever.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I think as with most things, it is more about what the reader is into than a deliberate separation of femdom from BDSM in general. Sort of like asking someone who doesn't like crime fiction why they prefer reading an science fiction or romance novel, or seeing a musical movie rather than one which is a thriller or crime based genre...it just isn't what appeals to or interests them. I read very little BDSM or D/s flavoured fiction, but that doesn't stop me living it 24/7. I can write from a a male PYL perspective as well as that of a femdom or slave/submissive, male or female. There are some quiet popular writers on Lit who write from the femdom perspective and are given high ratings. While it is nice to uphold the all-inclusive tag, it is not reality to expect people to read anything and everything and feel enthusiastic about it all if it just isn't what works for or interests them...nobody does it as it is impossible. Just keep writing, extending yourself, and growing.

Catalina

 

[SlaveNano]

Thanks for your responses. I shall just carry on what I enjoy writing, which is good advice. I'm not so fixated on ratings, I just wanted to gauge how femdom stories were seen within this BDSM discussion board.

I just have to accept I am writing for a smaller more specialised audience. Up to now what I have written has been solely for the mistress that I submit to so it's nice to have discovered a forum where I can reach any kind of wider audience.

My stories are at
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=384928
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=387635
There is another one pending

 

[SweetErika]

Thanks for your responses. I shall just carry on what I enjoy writing, which is good advice. I'm not so fixated on ratings, I just wanted to gauge how femdom stories were seen within this BDSM discussion board.

I just have to accept I am writing for a smaller more specialised audience. Up to now what I have written has been solely for the mistress that I submit to so it's nice to have discovered a forum where I can reach any kind of wider audience.

My stories are at
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=384928
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=387635
There is another one pending

I just skimmed, but I agree, your stories are VERY specialized. It looks like your target audience is a likely a small fraction of the fairly small fraction of Lit readers who enjoy femdom stories in the first place.

If you want to appeal to a larger audience, you might consider toying with more modern or reader-relevant settings and eliminating the inconsequential details that may be making your stories difficult to relate to. For instance, you lost me with the Corn Exchange deal, the location specifics (e.g. Yorkshire Wolds) and flowery language. There's certainly nothing wrong with good detail, description and vocabulary, but there's a point at which it can get so specific that it becomes difficult to read and connect with, you know? I want my imagination and libido to get a workout when I'm reading erotica; superfluous descriptions and synonyms can easily get in the way of that.

At any rate, definitely write what you feel passionate about, but should you want to broaden your appeal, you may find a great deal of help via volunteer editors and/or beta reader(s). They can really help us find that balance between a creating a experience for our readers while maintaining the integrity of our work, in my experience.

 

[A_Kefka]

I know that I personally enjoy Femdom stories, and wrote one thats on here. Don't have the link right now.

 

[YourCaptor]

Every time I try to write one it ends up gay male and violent.

A good femdom story I think needs a certain balance to it, and thats hard to archive.

Ive been kicking around this story idea about a women raping a man, but while the women has the power, its not really femdom as in BDSM. Theres a certain something extra that makes it BDSM, I don't know what it is.

 

[Netzach]

Every time I try to write one it ends up gay male and violent.

Link?

 

[Sub_Space]

Link?

I second a request for said link.

I have the same problem in regards to reverting to "gay, male, and violent."

Probably explains why I read "Fight Club" more than I read actual porn in high school.

 

[Netzach]

I second a request for said link.

I have the same problem in regards to reverting to "gay, male, and violent."

Probably explains why I read "Fight Club" more than I read actual porn in high school.

Fight Club is pretty much one of three films that ever led to me masturbating over any of it.

 

[Sub_Space]

Fight Club is pretty much one of three films that ever led to me masturbating over any of it.

Same, same. (What were the other two?)

Edward Norton forever tainted my brain in favor of scrappy, sardonic men with amazing pain tolerances.

 

[YourCaptor]

Link?

I second a request for said link.

I have the same problem in regards to reverting to "gay, male, and violent."

Probably explains why I read "Fight Club" more than I read actual porn in high school.

I have never finished a story. I got a lot of bits and pieces, beginnings, and some done about halfway through.

I always end up frustrated because I cant get it how I want it, until I am more into a diffrent story line and start that one.

One of these days I'll upload one.

 

[subwannabe]

Thanks for posting the stories. I must admit I personally didn't care for them as I prefer a more realistic scene. I like to identify with the subject as if it were me it was really happening to in a realistic present time situation instead of incorporating the story into fictional characters. But, that's just me. Everyone is different. Sci-fi stories and incest stories aren't for me either, but many people seem very interested in them. I can at least see incest stories as turning some people on but having sex with aliens and vampires and the like totally escapes me. But, then again, that's just me.

 

[Sqoodd]

Thanks for posting the stories. I must admit I personally didn't care for them as I prefer a more realistic scene. I like to identify with the subject as if it were me it was really happening to in a realistic present time situation instead of incorporating the story into fictional characters. But, that's just me.

I agree. The stories are not for me. I am a male Dom and like the M/f stories. I will not even read the M/f stories, if it is writen is second person from the point of view from the f. Just not for me.

 

[SlaveNano]

I just skimmed, but I agree, your stories are VERY specialized. It looks like your target audience is a likely a small fraction of the fairly small fraction of Lit readers who enjoy femdom stories in the first place.

If you want to appeal to a larger audience, you might consider toying with more modern or reader-relevant settings and eliminating the inconsequential details that may be making your stories difficult to relate to. For instance, you lost me with the Corn Exchange deal, the location specifics (e.g. Yorkshire Wolds) and flowery language. There's certainly nothing wrong with good detail, description and vocabulary, but there's a point at which it can get so specific that it becomes difficult to read and connect with, you know? I want my imagination and libido to get a workout when I'm reading erotica; superfluous descriptions and synonyms can easily get in the way of that.

At any rate, definitely write what you feel passionate about, but should you want to broaden your appeal, you may find a great deal of help via volunteer editors and/or beta reader(s). They can really help us find that balance between a creating a experience for our readers while maintaining the integrity of our work, in my experience.

Sorry its taken me a while to respond to this. Thanks for your comments and advice. Its maybe a case of writing what I am am happy doing to build up the confidence to broaden out a bit. I can see that I probably am writing for a specialised audience - but that doesn't necessarily bother me if some people get pleasure from reading the stories.

In defence of my style in the story you looked at I would say that once you make the decision to use a particular setting and period then you do have to follow through with it. I think there is another kind of reader who would expect you to take the effort to make a setting believable and would be critical of a writer for not doing so. Given this, I feel the language and structure used in the highwaywoman story is quite appropriate because it deliberately seeks to reference both certain style of 18th century novel writing and an element of historically accurate language and setting.

Thanks for taking the trouble to offer your views.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Sorry its taken me a while to respond to this. Thanks for your comments and advice. Its maybe a case of writing what I am am happy doing to build up the confidence to broaden out a bit. I can see that I probably am writing for a specialised audience - but that doesn't necessarily bother me if some people get pleasure from reading the stories.

In defence of my style in the story you looked at I would say that once you make the decision to use a particular setting and period then you do have to follow through with it. I think there is another kind of reader who would expect you to take the effort to make a setting believable and would be critical of a writer for not doing so. Given this, I feel the language and structure used in the highwaywoman story is quite appropriate because it deliberately seeks to reference both certain style of 18th century novel writing and an element of historically accurate language and setting.

Thanks for taking the trouble to offer your views.

This is something I've found with the M/f stories that I've posted here. The majority of Lit members are North American and historical fiction set in the UK with period references/colloquialisms written by a Brit doesn't always appeal to them. As far as niches go, I think you're painting yourself into quite a small corner. There's nothing wrong with that at all as long as you're enjoying what you write.

 

[SlaveNano]

Picking up again on the original theme of my thread. As a male sub I find that I can relate quite easily to stories written from a female sub perspective. A lot of the emotions and sensations are similar. Pyschologically they both involve submission, surrendering of control and absolute trust in another person. Physically, they both tread that line between pain and pleasure.

Do female subs find that they can respond to a male sub's perspective in the same way when they read stories or is it hard to relate to seeing domination through a Fm relationship.

 

[BrettRogan]

Every time I try to write one it ends up gay male and violent.

A good femdom story I think needs a certain balance to it, and thats hard to archive.

Ive been kicking around this story idea about a women raping a man, but while the women has the power, its not really femdom as in BDSM. Theres a certain something extra that makes it BDSM, I don't know what it is.

I haven't tried writing erotica yet myself, but I was thinking about your problem here. Try limiting the number of male characters you have or keeping them seperate. Or possibly using female submissives to interact with them under the control of the Mistress. Also remember that you can focus on the pleasure of the Mistress directly. There are many things a man can do to please her and service her without involving a second slave. I'm not sure if I understood your problem correctly, but I hope this helps.


As for finishing your stories, try forming the story around the climax of the storyline rather than the beginning or middle. Having a goal in mind may help keep you from losing interest or branching off.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Do female subs find that they can respond to a male sub's perspective in the same way when they read stories or is it hard to relate to seeing domination through a Fm relationship.

Speaking purely from a personal standpoint, I don't find male submissives sexually attractive. My hetero attraction to men is bound up with viewing them as dominant figures. I do enjoy reading about F/f submission but F/m and M/m doesn't get me aroused, it's just the way I'm wired.

 

[fsmepls]

I am very much into femdom, facesitting, ass worship etc. etc. and consider myself to be of average intelligence. I find your stories a little tough to read. I don't really want to say over descriptive but am lacking a better word. Maybe don't use the thesaurus so much.

 

[Homburg]

I took the time to read the stories. I think there were a few spots where the description was a bit too detailed. There are ways to allow for such detail without having it sound like a list, but I am honestly not enough of a writer to do so, much less explain how to do so. Personally, I have no problem with the setting of either story, but I enjoy historical fiction normally.

I can't say much about the sexual side, as F/m is not my thing. No idea if this will be hot to that side of the fence. That said, I have read some Femdom writing that was arousing, in its' own way. It is possible to cross those boundaries in some situations, and it is likely because the power exchange aspect is what is hot, not the acts themselves.

Personally, the aspect I enjoyed most was the structure of the Lord Nano story. I particularly appreciated the chapter titles, as they are very appropos for your chosen genre. Good show.

 

[Katiecat]

I just read through your stories as well. They seem to fit in a very narrow niche, because not only are they Femdom, but the S/M and fetish aspects are really hard core (without giving away the endings). The stories I read and write are more focused on D/s, and I like to think that a good time is had by all the characters -- my work is definitely too fluffy for some. Of course, if your submissive character is seriously masochistic, then I'm sure they had a good time in your story, too

I do enjoy historical fiction, and appreciate the detail and care you put into making the time period come to life. The drawback is that when you put a lot of historical detail in your story, the erotica tends to take a backseat to the historical accuracy. Not necessarily a bad thing, just remember it can narrow your audience even further.

I've written one Femdom story, which coincidentally, is a historical piece -- though not as detailed as yours, I went more for the "flavor" of Edwardian England. It was an experiment, really, based on the Jethro Tull song, "Hunting Girl". Link's in my signature, if you want to check it out.

Good luck, and keep writing what you are passionate about...you'll find your audience

 

[lilylicious]

I'm a Female Dominant and I prefer M/m. I find most F/m written by men, completely oblivious to what I, as a woman, find hot, and M/m accidentally tunes in better. I'm also bi, but when it comes to being able to identify, in most stories there's already a woman in them I can't relate to as a human being at all, so I would rather just be a voyeur to a M/m relationship.

Be aware that not everyone into Female Dominance is into Female biological supremacy . . .

I'm also a Female Dominant and bi, though I'm not into Domming women. Even though I'd happily play in a Femdom world for a few hours or even a weekend, I don't want to live there. I occasionally do find some Femdom stories hot, but mostly they seem wildly unrealistic.

I think Netzach might be onto something with the M/m erotica and will have to check it out for myself.

A few people have mentioned you should write what you like, write what you know. The beautiful thing about Lit is it's a community built for that.

I keep thinking about a friend of mine who describes an acquaintance's writing as "masturbatory." If you are writing for yourself and your Domme, this is literally true of your writing too, in more ways than one. Gotta love irony. LOL. What I'm getting at is you can't really be surprised that your personal masturbatory material isn't more popular, but hey, as long as SHE is happy. The fact that you can publish it publicly AND that it may appeal to someone else is just icing on the cake.

Call me crazy, but I'm not on Lit looking for great literature. But without some kind of story line, it's just porn, not even erotica. I really don't mind investing time while an author sets the scene as long as I feel the climax, pun intended, is in the near future.

Kudos to you for having the guts to write and to publish your work for everyone to see, not to mention the bravery demonstrated by asking us what we think in this forum.

 

[MALIBUMAN666]

I have posted several Femdom stories on Lit and got some good scores and some terrible scores. It amuses me that people that find my stories offensive bother to keep reading and posting ever more ridiculous comments. I know I could delete them, but I haven't.

I place more trust in the people who actually bothered to email me (quite a few actually - I was surprised) and thanked me and asked me for more.

I think one of the problems is that because there is no dedicated Femdom section they are in the BDSM section and some people don't like it when I introduced forced gay action. But really, what do they expect?

Surely the logical conclusion of male submission to a dominant female is to be made to suck a cock?

Here's my stories anyway:

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=754684&page=submissions