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mskittykatt

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My words are probably the closest most people will ever get, to seeing my deepest self. The place where my feelings, beliefs, passion, intentions and dreams come from. Here at least part of the time we are trying to express things that the body can express without the chance that it would be misunderstood. This is no small task. There are threads addressing erotica, form, writing styles, why we write. I?d like to bring those together for a moment, and add something to it.
Human interaction.

This is where most of the tension comes from. There are many, many things, that we don?t know about each other. Did you lose a loved one, or a friend in 9-11? Did you just lose a baby or break up with your partner? Did the baby keep you up all night, are you fighting with your best friend? Did you just get married, get a new job or move to a new place? Are you struggling with your spirituality in a rapidly changing world? Are you in love, do you hate your neighbor? Was this just a day where you woke up and wished you had a dog to kick?


Many of these things will never come to light on these boards, to many find them to personal to share, or sometimes to read. These things are happening to us behind the scenes and since they are never shared they can?t be acknowledged, or considered.


Perhaps last week my feedback on your writing could have been very helpful, but today your dog died and the kids are asking questions you can?t answer about doggy heaven and learning about death as it relates to them for the first time. Does this affect how you see what I write? Yes, at least I hope so. Did I know that? No, I?m not Ms. Cleo.


So how do we broach these gaps when so many aren?t willing to get that personal with each other, or the general public as a whole?


When I first started reading, and posting to what was the story and poetry feedback board I saw small groups of people, and it felt like I would always be on the outside looking in. I stayed around for awhile anyway and began to see what was happening here, that it is just like any other place. People will come together when, and where, and with whom they feel safe.


The main concern then is how to ask for, and receive feedback from other people outside your comfort zone, and on the other hand how to offer the truth in ways which are respectful without losing the honesty.


I think this is a process just as writing is. Respect isn?t just a feeling, it has actions associated with it, that can cushion even the harshest of words. Speaking what we feel, clearly, honestly and with respect.


The main argument over this, is addressing the writing, not the writer. And in the growth of the writer and writing as a whole, instead of individuals.

The fact remains, we are all individuals, and on some level, that is expressed in our writing. That level changes as we change, and in a group of professional writers, things may be different. But we aren?t professional, and we all deserve to be treated with care. We also deserve to hear the truth when we ask for feedback. It is a balance between the two, each getting their own time in the spotlight . that is what i'm working towards anyway.
 
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Yet if you ever hit #1, I'm going to do what I want with your poem.

U.P.
 
go for it UP

otherwise you'll have a long wait. i have turned off the voting for all of my poems, and it will not be enabled for any new ones i submit.
i turned it off for the poems, because it wasn't showing me anything about them. a high vote could make me feel good, but the low ones without feedback did nothing but hurt and confuse me. it's the feedback and interaction with other writers here that helps me grow, not a list or some numbers.
the only thing i'm interested in, from the average reader is if my words touched them in some way, and if it does, they can send feedback, i don't need their 1-5 number, i need their thoughts and feelings.
i kept it on, for my stories because it serves a different purpose for me. that can show me what the crowd in each catagory i write in, generally thinks of my stories.
i have more reads, and votes in anal then the others, now i know, based on the feedback i have, and the scores, where to concentrate. it just doesn't work that way with poetry. two poems in the same subject won't have the same average vote, i can't watch it rise or fall, and base my next writings on what i've found works or doesn't in the same way as i can the stories.
i'd rather concentrate on the help available here, then to waste my energy on the lists.
 
I agree mskitty

People are different. focusing on the writing is sound. It's not an insensitive approach, it is a sane one. No, we are not professional writers. Some of us are just professional students. :) One of the things the novice has to learn is not to put your raw feelings on display. When you read a novel, do you assume it's the author's life?

Mistakenly, the novice writer and reader often believe poetry is your personal experience. I was taught it is art and art is creativity melded with experience. If I assume anything about someone's work, it is that the writer has created emotional distance from the writing. That is not to say the writing isn't important to the writer. It means the writer has processed the feelings and they have become art and not a diary entry.

By the time you see a poem of mine, I have done all the crying or screaming I'm going to do over a matter. I've also learned to create representations of life not necessarily my biography. If we can only write about specific events that actually happened to us, we're not writers. Writers observe life, form an opinion about it, and share it with others.

mskitty, you're proving to be a quick learn. Keep writing.

Peace,

daughter
 
that is very important Daughter, to distance myself from my writing, when i put it out for public feedback. i'm learning that, although as usual i take the steeper road.
the things i'm refering to here, are the other emotional things that come up in our day to day lives that affect how we see the world today.
today, for instance i had a very spiritual experiance while writing to someone about a past experiance. i could handle the most technical of feedback on my worst poem ever today. Yesterday when i went to the doctor, i was full of apprehension and fear over what i would find out and couldn't have handled the most sugar coated of words about my best poem.
the major part of those things, are my own responsibility. in fact the bad days, reading words that cut me actually, helps my growth as much as days i could handle it better, each tear brings me cleansing release.
my point here really, is to take a step back, on both sides, giving and recieving feedback and remember after all, people are people.
 
point taken

I'm willing meet somebody half way. Wanna hook up? LOL

Peace,

daughter
 
Oooohhh nice words. Well written thought too. You should take it, stick it in the ol' word processor and hack it to pieces until you have a poem. Don't add words, though.

It's not just a plea for understanding here, it's a plea for universal understanding in plainspeaking, from the heart.
 
mskittykatt said:
My words are probably the closest
most people will ever get,
to seeing my deepest self.
The place where my feelings,
beliefs, passion, intentions
and dreams come from.

Do you see it? Do you see how clear you are? How strong?
 
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