Part II: Are Brits more civilized than Americans?

Grushenka

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Not really part two. I just wanted a catchy title for the thread. :)

Anyway, I agree with this article and the major difference it points out between British and American humo(u)r. It's also why I prefer BritCom material to American.
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On TV, Attitude Is More Important Than the Way the Vowels Sound
By ALESSANDRA STANLEY, NY Times, 8 April 2007

ENGLISH enunciation isn’t what makes Americans weak at the knees: it’s the cruelty behind the words. The British are breathtakingly callous when it comes to comedy, as is all too obvious in this era of Ricky Gervais and Sacha Baron Cohen. Try as we might, we can never quite match their flinty talent for trafficking in boorishness and scalding embarrassment.

A case in point is “House,” the hit television series that obliges one of Britain’s best and funniest actors, Hugh Laurie, to lose his clipped Oxbridge cadence and imitate an American accent, which he does flawlessly. Yet Mr. Laurie’s chief asset is not his voice but his bravado.

His character, Dr. Gregory House, is a flippant, sarcastic misanthrope who thrives on piercing his co-workers’ delusions of good will and affection. In a recent episode House, who does not bother to hide his addiction to painkillers, makes his friends and colleagues believe he has terminal cancer in order to enroll in an experimental treatment program and get drugs.

Many American actors play curmudgeons, but even the meanest tend to lose their nerve and go soft and cuddly once the audience embraces them: James Woods plays a shyster lawyer on “Shark,” but a cuddly one. Even Larry David has a few tender moments on “Curb Your Enthusiasm.” The British are better at holding a sneer.

The NBC version of “The Office” is very funny, but the boss, played by Steve Carell, is not quite as gloriously slimy and repellant as Mr. Gervais, who created the show and played the original lead on British television. He has moved on to “Extras,” on HBO, where he plays Andy Millman, an even more vile and pathetic loser. A would-be actor, Andy is surrounded by the pompous, the selfish and the inane. Once again it’s not the accent that captivates viewers; it’s his audacity.

Mr. Gervais’s British co-stars gamely go along. Kate Winslet once played herself as the star of a Holocaust film, a role she said she accepted only to win a long-overdue Oscar. “’I don’t think we really need another movie about the Holocaust, do we?” she said briskly to Andy. “It’s like, how many have there been? We get it. It was grim. Move on.”

Jennifer Saunders and Joanna Lumley were absolutely fearless when they played drunken, self-absorbed and utterly deluded middle-aged women on the BBC comedy “Absolutely Fabulous.” CBS tried to imitate its success with “Cybill,” a pleasant sitcom that starred Cybill Shepard as an aging actress and Christine Baranski as her martini-swilling best friend. Americans can’t take their martini swillers straight up however: both women were watered-down versions of the British originals. Nobody in this country likes to be disliked, and American actors seem particularly scared of not being loved.

On television at least its not how British actors say it. It’s what they are willing to say to get a laugh.
 
Very interesting observations.

In a similar vein, I find that British commentators, analysts, and pundits are far more likely to call 'bullshit', as such, when they see it. They usually use words that don't sound so callous to American ears, like "That's rubbish!", but they still voice their opinions without apology. Simon Cowell on American Idol is seen as a villain without feelings, but pretty much everyone agrees with his assessments.

eta: I wonder how much the 'Britcom' humor, though, depends on the system of developing TV shows that don't have to be advertising-supported. It's true the American audience tends to like more optimistic or likeable characters, but is that because no advertisers are willing to support a show that doesn't have them? Moreso than in other cultures, the US gets the entertainment it deserves. :rolleyes:
 
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Huckleman2000 said:
In a similar vein, I find that British commentators, analysts, and pundits are far more likely to call 'bullshit', as such, when they see it.
Good point, I'd say that's true. American tv news reporters used to be more aggressive and weren't told what not to ask (esp. when interviewing politicians). 'Back in the day' American presidential press conferences used to actually be interesting, even enlightening.
 
Huckleman2000 said:
eta: I wonder how much the 'Britcom' humor, though, depends on the system of developing TV shows that don't have to be advertising-supported.
I used to think all British tv was non-commercial, but now I know it's not. Isn't it just the BBC that's 'free'?

At any rate, it's definitely commerce that drives American 'telly'.
 
Grushenka said:
I used to think all British tv was non-commercial, but now I know it's not. Isn't it just the BBC that's 'free'?

At any rate, it's definitely commerce that drives American 'telly'.
My understanding is that it isn't exactly 'free'. You have to pay an annual television license, which supports the BBC. There are, however, more advertising supported channels than 'Channel 4' available nowadays. How much original programming they produce, I really don't know. Any Brits are welcome to chime in when you wake up in several hours. ;)
 
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Huckleman2000 said:
My understanding is that it isn't exactly 'free'. You have to pay an annual television license, which supports the BBC.
Yes, I know about the fee, I meant that BBC programs are commercial/ad free. But I hear about other channels and people able to refuse them (like choosing not to have cable). Britishers, please do enlighten us.

Thanks, Gru
 
As I said on the other thread, Brits have grown up.

They've seen enough of life and the world to be much less afraid of it. Their media, in my opinion, reflects that.

Behind the American teenage bravado is a lot of fear. Snarly British humour tends not to go over as well because it comes to close to that fear.
 
I wonder if it's just the British. It seems maybe "old" countries lean that way. When I moved here back in high school, I used to get in trouble for how blunt I could be when someone picked on me. Once, so big guy who had found himself at the receiving end of my cutting words looked at a friend of mine and said (pointing at me),

"Wow, she's mean."

My friend replied "No, she's not mean, she's from Europe."

It kind of stuck after that.
 
CeriseNoire said:
"No, she's not mean, she's from Europe."
That's great, I love that line. There's a truth in it. I was raised here but my parents and other elders (Russians and Russian mixed with Europeans) worked at protecting me from American softness. I appreciate bluntness and bullshit detection whenever I meet it.
 
CeriseNoire said:
I wonder if it's just the British. It seems maybe "old" countries lean that way. When I moved here back in high school, I used to get in trouble for how blunt I could be when someone picked on me. Once, so big guy who had found himself at the receiving end of my cutting words looked at a friend of mine and said (pointing at me),

"Wow, she's mean."

My friend replied "No, she's not mean, she's from Europe."

It kind of stuck after that.

I wish I could explain my bluntness that way. I'm about as American as one can possibly be. ;)
 
cloudy said:
I wish I could explain my bluntness that way. I'm about as American as one can possibly be. ;)

Hehe. Funny enough, I've been here a decade,but I still get away with it. :devil:
 
As an Aussie I get to see a lot of both British and American TV humour and TV drama.
British humour is far more cutting. And it never seeks to justify itself, as American comedy often does. Awful people just are; there's no deep hidden emotional cause that makes them lovable if you only understand them.
And the British seem much more able to take the piss out of themselves without feeling guilty or worrying about offending people.
Whoever it was that said the British have grown up, I agree. There's no teen style angst or bluff front. The good are good, the bad are bad and the humour is to die for.
 
This all makes me think about the obsession with happy endings. I had a Creative Writing professor who was so upset with me once, because the main character died at the end.
 
BBC 1 and 2, plus a selection of radio stations are supported by the license, paid by any person owning a television - about £140 quid a year I think. In addition to this there are three terrestrial commercial channels available on analogue connection. Channel 3 (know as ITV mostly), Channel 4 and Channel 5.

Each of these channels creates its own shows as well as importing american (and some australian) programmes in. Channel 5 is most known for it's American imports such as House, CSI, NCIS, Law and Order, etc... but also makes some of its own shows like property or makeover shows.

ITV shows a lot of re-runs, especially in the daytime, of shows they created in the past. They seem to go for cosy English crime such as Midsomer Murders and Agatha Christie adaptations. Recently they ran a Jane Austen season, televising 3 previously unadapted Austens (Mansfield Park, Northanger Abbey and Persuasion) and made a pretty good job of it, although their particular talent seems to be making their own versions of BBC shows.
(eg - Dtrictly Come Dncing, where celebs learn to ballroom dance, became Dancing on Ice, where celebs learn to figure skate.)

Channel 4, which used to be the American importer, introducing us to FRIENDS, still seems to be showing endless repeats of Friends... They have quite good chat shows though...

Anyways - the govt is shifting us all over to digital TV where more channels are available, thought mostly they just show more re-runs or 'behind the scenes' stuff.

tbh British Tv has equal amounts of dross and good, watchable shows. I think the BBC as an institution which doesn;t have to worry about advertisers sensibilities and also supports several development schemes, attracts new talent more than the other channels which means that they have greater resources and freedom to put out new shows. A number of the most successful comedy programmes originate on Radio 4 - a source not available to the other channels - which is one of the reasons why the BBC is so unique and innovative.

Anyway... I hope that brief rundown was comprehensible. I seem to be in the grip of some whoop-ass insomnia atm, so please ask questions if you're still confused - I'd be happy to chat.
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Huckleman2000 said:
Very interesting observations.

In a similar vein, I find that British commentators, analysts, and pundits are far more likely to call 'bullshit', as such, when they see it. They usually use words that don't sound so callous to American ears, like "That's rubbish!", but they still voice their opinions without apology. Simon Cowell on American Idol is seen as a villain without feelings, but pretty much everyone agrees with his assessments.

eta: I wonder how much the 'Britcom' humor, though, depends on the system of developing TV shows that don't have to be advertising-supported. It's true the American audience tends to like more optimistic or likeable characters, but is that because no advertisers are willing to support a show that doesn't have them? Moreso than in other cultures, the US gets the entertainment it deserves. :rolleyes:


Only BBC programmes are not advertising supported. Every other channel is, and to be frank, most of them are rubbish.
 
The first thing which came to mind upon reading the subject title is the irony in how some (if not many) "Americans" fail to see that (at least in theory) the United States culture is one alternating between a "melting pot" and a "tossed salad." Just as noteworthy is how British roots seem to be forgotten with respect to the foundation of the colonies (and through them the States).

With that out of the way, a feeling that arose upon reading through the thread's posts is how American culture tries to modify things which simply are into material that "should be." (Dare I say it, this transfers over into other matters such as religious beliefs, where some people attempt to impose their views upon others. However, I digress, so please excuse me.)
 
Special thanks to Vermilion for the rundown on British tv stations (networks?)

Disrupted: I'm sorry you did not continue, you might have begun another interesting conversation on American (not necessarily versus British) culture.
 
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