Pakistan's Response
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Dillinger
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President Mushaffar - "Unity and total support" of search for Bin Laden.
Basically confirming that the US has asked for the use of Pakistan air space in case of a US attack against Pakistan. Whatever Pakistan does is according to the tenents of Islam - that Pakistan and Islam are not targeted.
Said he needed evidence tying Bin Laden to the attacks.
Urged his people to "use wisdom over emotion" and the fate of his country rested on this choice.
Said Pakistan would emerge stronger if it sided with the US.
Not really sure if he's actually given his support yet or not - but it sounds like that's what he's preparing his country for.
Basically confirming that the US has asked for the use of Pakistan air space in case of a US attack against Pakistan. Whatever Pakistan does is according to the tenents of Islam - that Pakistan and Islam are not targeted.
Said he needed evidence tying Bin Laden to the attacks.
Urged his people to "use wisdom over emotion" and the fate of his country rested on this choice.
Said Pakistan would emerge stronger if it sided with the US.
Not really sure if he's actually given his support yet or not - but it sounds like that's what he's preparing his country for.
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He's walking a very fine, very sharp edge, i think. He said that
1. Pakistan *will* grant the US the permissions we've sought as far as our using Pakistan as a staging ground into Afghanistan.
2. Urged the Pakstani people to choose with their heads, not their hearts - ref to the fact that the Taliban has many believers in Pakistan.
3. Admitted he's chosen to help the US as "the lesser of two evils".
4. Made ref to the fact that he believes this is the only way to keep Pakistan while, that if Pakistan does not help the US, others would fall on it and tear it up (ref to India, i think, and the long-standing tensions there).
What else?
1. Pakistan *will* grant the US the permissions we've sought as far as our using Pakistan as a staging ground into Afghanistan.
2. Urged the Pakstani people to choose with their heads, not their hearts - ref to the fact that the Taliban has many believers in Pakistan.
3. Admitted he's chosen to help the US as "the lesser of two evils".
4. Made ref to the fact that he believes this is the only way to keep Pakistan while, that if Pakistan does not help the US, others would fall on it and tear it up (ref to India, i think, and the long-standing tensions there).
What else?
Dillinger
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For the other side of things... Taliban's supreme leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar statement to the Grand Islamic Council meeting in Kabul, Afghanistan.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/19/ret.omarstatement/
I'll probably be able to track down the transcript of President Mushaffar statement within a couple of hours... first I've got errands to run... back later.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/19/ret.omarstatement/
I'll probably be able to track down the transcript of President Mushaffar statement within a couple of hours... first I've got errands to run... back later.
cymbidia
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This is CNN's analysis of President Musharraf's address to his country a little while ago, http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/19/pakistan.address/index.html
I think this is great news.
I feel that the point made on Cym's thread, about needing to use ground troops to go in and take out the Taliban and Bin laden, is the only way to go, and needing Pakistan's cooperation was essential.
If we bombed them all over, we would as bad as the terrorists.
I am glad we are surrounded, for the most part, by a world of leaders using their heads now.
This is a relief to me.
I feel that the point made on Cym's thread, about needing to use ground troops to go in and take out the Taliban and Bin laden, is the only way to go, and needing Pakistan's cooperation was essential.
If we bombed them all over, we would as bad as the terrorists.
I am glad we are surrounded, for the most part, by a world of leaders using their heads now.
This is a relief to me.
Dillinger
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Took me a while - but here's the best transcript I could find:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/19/musharraf.nation.address/index.html
"America is asking for our support in three main specific areas: (Inaudible) information exchange, the use of our airspace and the third area they need our support is logistic support.
I also want to clarify that until this moment, their plans are not ready and so we don't have any details of what they plan. But I can tell you whatever America is planning, the United Nations General Assembly and Security Council have passed a resolution supporting them, and this resolution is to fight against terrorism, and this particular resolution is, of course, to attack those people who support terrorism. And I also wish to tell you that all Islamic nations have supported this resolution.
And now I wish to make you aware of our domestic situation.
And it is said that if you are facing two problems and you have to choose one, then it is better to take the lesser problem.
Some of my compatriots and colleagues are very concerned about Afghanistan. And I want to tell them that I myself and my regime is much more concerned about Afghanistan than them. What have I not done for Afghanistan and for Taliban? When the whole world is against them, I have met more than 20 or 25 leaders of the world and I have told all of them in favor of Taliban. I have tried to persuade them not to impose sanctions. I have told them to engage Taliban. And I had spoken to President Clinton about them. I spoke to Chinese leaders. I have spoken to so many other leaders about Taliban. But I have to say with regret that none of my friends agreed to my proposals.
Even in the present circumstances, we are trying to negotiate with them. I sent the chief of ISI, with my personal letter to Mullah Omar. I told Mullah Omar in my letter about the seriousness of the situation. I would have (inaudible) somehow to come out of this serious situation so that Afghanistan and Taliban do not face any kind of harm. Not even this, I'm even telling America whatever their intentions are, they should exercise balance. And we are also asking for any evidence against Osama bin Laden.
But I would like to ask, how can we save Afghanistan and Taliban from getting into any harm or try to lessen the harm? Can we do it by cutting off the international community or going with them? I'm convinced that your verdict would be that if we go along with the international community then alone we can influence their decisions.
I am, at the moment, only worried about Pakistan. I am the commander in chief of Pakistan, and my main worry is the safety of Pakistan. The welfare of Pakistan is my main concern.
We want to take a decision which is advantageous to the country. I am aware that the vast majority of our population is in favor of what we are deciding. And therefore, it is a part of our duty that we should show our unity and total support in favor of this decision.
I also know that there are some people who want to take advantage of the situation, who want to advocate their party or want to take advantage of their personal agenda. They want to create conditions where the country would come to harm. There is no reason that this minority is able to misdirect the great majority. And therefore, I appeal to the Pakistani army that they should show wisdom, that these people who want to harm Pakistan, should be put aside. It should be ensured that they are not able to in any case damage any causes of Pakistan.
On this occasion, we want to somehow nullify the intentions of our enemies and to make sure that Pakistan is at an advantage. If,God forbid, any damage is done to the causes of Pakistan, then it would be a damage to Islam.
My countrymen, have trust on me, the way you had trusted me when I was going to Agra. Trust me now. I did not disappoint the nation on that occasion. I didn't compromise the dignity of Pakistan. God willing, on this occasion also, I will not disappoint you.
These are the important subjects that I wanted to discuss withyou.
In the end, I will decide this (inaudible), this prayer: My friend and colleague, make work easy for me. Give me the right words so that people can follow me, people can understand what I intend. May God protect all of us. May Pakistan live for long."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/19/musharraf.nation.address/index.html
"America is asking for our support in three main specific areas: (Inaudible) information exchange, the use of our airspace and the third area they need our support is logistic support.
I also want to clarify that until this moment, their plans are not ready and so we don't have any details of what they plan. But I can tell you whatever America is planning, the United Nations General Assembly and Security Council have passed a resolution supporting them, and this resolution is to fight against terrorism, and this particular resolution is, of course, to attack those people who support terrorism. And I also wish to tell you that all Islamic nations have supported this resolution.
And now I wish to make you aware of our domestic situation.
And it is said that if you are facing two problems and you have to choose one, then it is better to take the lesser problem.
Some of my compatriots and colleagues are very concerned about Afghanistan. And I want to tell them that I myself and my regime is much more concerned about Afghanistan than them. What have I not done for Afghanistan and for Taliban? When the whole world is against them, I have met more than 20 or 25 leaders of the world and I have told all of them in favor of Taliban. I have tried to persuade them not to impose sanctions. I have told them to engage Taliban. And I had spoken to President Clinton about them. I spoke to Chinese leaders. I have spoken to so many other leaders about Taliban. But I have to say with regret that none of my friends agreed to my proposals.
Even in the present circumstances, we are trying to negotiate with them. I sent the chief of ISI, with my personal letter to Mullah Omar. I told Mullah Omar in my letter about the seriousness of the situation. I would have (inaudible) somehow to come out of this serious situation so that Afghanistan and Taliban do not face any kind of harm. Not even this, I'm even telling America whatever their intentions are, they should exercise balance. And we are also asking for any evidence against Osama bin Laden.
But I would like to ask, how can we save Afghanistan and Taliban from getting into any harm or try to lessen the harm? Can we do it by cutting off the international community or going with them? I'm convinced that your verdict would be that if we go along with the international community then alone we can influence their decisions.
I am, at the moment, only worried about Pakistan. I am the commander in chief of Pakistan, and my main worry is the safety of Pakistan. The welfare of Pakistan is my main concern.
We want to take a decision which is advantageous to the country. I am aware that the vast majority of our population is in favor of what we are deciding. And therefore, it is a part of our duty that we should show our unity and total support in favor of this decision.
I also know that there are some people who want to take advantage of the situation, who want to advocate their party or want to take advantage of their personal agenda. They want to create conditions where the country would come to harm. There is no reason that this minority is able to misdirect the great majority. And therefore, I appeal to the Pakistani army that they should show wisdom, that these people who want to harm Pakistan, should be put aside. It should be ensured that they are not able to in any case damage any causes of Pakistan.
On this occasion, we want to somehow nullify the intentions of our enemies and to make sure that Pakistan is at an advantage. If,God forbid, any damage is done to the causes of Pakistan, then it would be a damage to Islam.
My countrymen, have trust on me, the way you had trusted me when I was going to Agra. Trust me now. I did not disappoint the nation on that occasion. I didn't compromise the dignity of Pakistan. God willing, on this occasion also, I will not disappoint you.
These are the important subjects that I wanted to discuss withyou.
In the end, I will decide this (inaudible), this prayer: My friend and colleague, make work easy for me. Give me the right words so that people can follow me, people can understand what I intend. May God protect all of us. May Pakistan live for long."
