p_pman Why do Europeans hate Jews?

[bored1]

So what gives p_p? Vandalizing Synagogs and Cemetarys in France, Telling Jews in Germany what not to wear. <Although that little bit of advice was retracted> Why do the socially advanced countries of the EU hate the Jews?Seems like the 1930s all over again.

 

[RastaPope]

I personally do not hate the Jews.

Natalie Portman is free to suck my cock till I'm inside out. I'd bust a nut on her tight little body...Mmm.

 

[android1966]

Every country has it's share of arseholes.

The fact that a couple of cunts dragged a man to his death behind a pick up truck and a bunch of sad pathetic losers walk round dressed in bedsheets doesn't mean Americans as a whole hate blacks.

In europe the same, what a few sick individuals might do doesn't represent the feelings of the majority of the population.

 

[sch00lteacher]

Europe's history (including Russia) with those of the Jewish faith is very long and storied. It isn't a recent event. Ask your history teacher or look it up. We are talking a lot of centuries here.

Remember what happened to the money changers in the Bible. Who were the money changers? Nobody really likes the bank or loan shark they owe money to. Christains couldn't loan money back in the day. Jews could, and did. Not just to Joe Blow, but to Kings and Queens. Hitler was not the first to try and wipe them out. And he won't be the last.

 

[p_p_man]

So what gives p_p? Vandalizing Synagogs and Cemetarys in France, Telling Jews in Germany what not to wear. <Although that little bit of advice was retracted> Why do the socially advanced countries of the EU hate the Jews?Seems like the 1930s all over again.

I suppose there is no clear cut answer but many myths and gut-feelings. One Jew short changes a customer and suddenly all Jews short change their customers.

Jews work their way into positions of financial power. Nobody can tell you why they don't like that but many get the gut feeling that it's wrong.

A general feeling that Europe has done enough for them since the holaucaust, we've purged our guilt. So there's no reason for them to keep bringing the subject up whenever they're criticised.

You mention the 1930s, which is the most recent anti-Jewish reference but our history is steeped in anti-Jew actions:

"Laws were sometimes passed against them [the Jews], such as the 1215 ruling by the Catholic Church that Jewish men had to wear spiked hats to identify them. Britain in its past victimised the Jews to the point of expelling them from the country in 1290 and not letting them back in until 1655."

Source: Greenhead College:
http://www.greenhead.ac.uk/beacon/history/jews.htm

And our fiction:

Two of the more well-known ones, Shakespeare's Shylock and Dickens' Fagin.

In the UK I would say that we have an uneasy juxtaposition with the Jews. As long as they don't do any real harm to us or ours then all is well. A bit like "You be a good Jew and they'll be no trouble".

Nowadays the ouvert antagonism leans more against the Asians, with the new wave of immigrants coming up fast.

ppman

 

[Closet Desire]

Speaking as an American...

...ex-pat in Europe.

After living here seven years I have to say that I find the level of tolerance, in general, to people of all backgrounds to be generous. Yes, there are racists and xenophobes everywhere but the culture in general seems very much live and let live. This doesn't garner headlines but it does seem to be the day-to-day reality.

It may be a personal weakness but I find it hard to segregate the people I meet. I don't know if the man I buy ke-babs from is Greek or Persian, but I like him and his ke-babs. I do know that when I first meet some people the first time they are guarded toward me as the perception of Americans is frequently that they are racist and xenophobic. This is not helped by some of the news items about the US reactions to immigrants and visitors.

Overcoming prejudice often requires a great deal of effort and a willingness to challenge what you believe and hear from others.

 

[riff]

Why does anyone hate Jews?

Why does anyone hate any collective group? I mean, they are just people right?

 

[Marxist]

Why does anyone hate Jews?

Why does anyone hate any collective group? I mean, they are just people right?

They keep to themselves, don't assimilate, don't eat the same food, keep reserves of money to themselves (at one time it un-Christian to charge interest), have their own language and customs....

It's pretty simple, Jews like other tight-knit communities, make great scapegoats when things suck economically or politically anywhere, anytime. Look at how the French are treating the N. Africans. Or the Brits and the Pakis.

The Jews get even worse treatment because of their standing within Christianity as the "murderers of Christ."

 

[bluespoke]

So what gives p_p? Vandalizing Synagogs and Cemetarys in France, Telling Jews in Germany what not to wear. <Although that little bit of advice was retracted> Why do the socially advanced countries of the EU hate the Jews?Seems like the 1930s all over again.

Whilst there are isolated incidents of hatred they are no worse than those of the idiots in white pointed suits that you have. You wouldn't say they were indicative of America as a whole.

 

[p_p_man]

Why does anyone hate any collective group? I mean, they are just people right?

That reminds me of an interview I saw on TV last year on a programme about the World Jewish Couincil.

This woman, a Jewish survivor of the death camps, said that during their incarceration and immediately afterwards they were neither Poles, Catholics, sub-Normal, Political, Jewish or any other group the Nazis deigned unacceptable.

They thought of themselves as just people who were going through Hell.

It was afterwards that others were 'forgotten' and it became a Jewish Holocaust.

ppman

 

[Closet Desire]

Just a tidbit...

...of information.

The term "Pakis" is considered insulting and offensive as is the word "nigger" in the US.

Bush didn't know this either until he was corrected a few months ago.

 

[Marxist]

Re: Just a tidbit...

...of information.

The term "Pakis" is considered insulting and offensive as is the word "nigger" in the US.

Bush didn't know this either until he was corrected a few months ago.

Bush and I now have something in common.

I will now refer to people from Pakistan as "Stannies".

The Brits ruin everything.

 

[bluespoke]

They keep to themselves, don't assimilate, don't eat the same food, keep reserves of money to themselves (at one time it un-Christian to charge interest), have their own language and customs....

It's pretty simple, Jews like other tight-knit communities, make great scapegoats when things suck economically or politically anywhere, anytime. Look at how the French are treating the N. Africans. Or the Brits and the Pakis.

The Jews get even worse treatment because of their standing within Christianity as the "murderers of Christ."

And pray how are we treating the Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis who come to the UK, never mind those who were born here?

 

[freescorfr]

That reminds me of an interview I saw on TV last year on a programme about the World Jewish Couincil.

This woman, a Jewish survivor of the death camps, said that during their incarceration and immediately afterwards they were neither Poles, Catholics, sub-Normal, Political, Jewish or any other group the Nazis deigned unacceptable.

They thought of themselves as just people who were going through Hell.

It was afterwards that others were 'forgotten' and it became a Jewish Holocaust.

ppman

I've often wondered about that p_pman. The Jews are, for the most part, genetically defined as a group. That was Hitler's target.
I suspect it's not that they were all "simply human beings" but here was a group who all feel related to each other.

 

[SINthysist]

“Jews work their way into positions of financial power. Nobody can tell you why they don't like that but many get the gut feeling that it's wrong.”

look up p_p_,

“Remember what happened to the money changers in the Bible. Who were the money changers? Nobody really likes the bank or loan shark they owe money to. Christains couldn't loan money back in the day. Jews could, and did.”






Whoa, this from a continent that loves to bust our human rights record…

“In the UK I would say that we have an uneasy juxtaposition with the Jews. As long as they don't do any real harm to us or ours then all is well. A bit like "You be a good Jew and they'll be no trouble".

Nowadays the ouvert antagonism leans more against the Asians, with the new wave of immigrants coming up fast.”

p_p_, whatever am I to think…






I don’t think the world hates Jews as much as we have been taught to hate the rich. You then link the stereotype about going into financial endeavors and, viola, hate rich Jews…

If they have something and you don’t, well, life after all, IS a zero–sum game.

Right?

 

[Closet Desire]

Another tidbit...

...sorry Marxist...not a Brit...American.

For Bluespoke--good point---I assume you are referring to the unrest up around Keighley, Bradford, and Leeds. It never is a polar issue is it? Lots of ambiguity in between.

My GP is Pakastani. Our chemist is Indian. The gentleman who sells me petrol is Malaysian. Half of the students who train with us are not British nationals.

Sadly, I have to agree that prejudice is alive and well. We ended up with a number of foreign students because they couldn't get placements (internships) elsewhere due to their nationality. A good thing for us it turns out because the ambition and drive that brought them to do doctorates in the UK meant they are the cream of the crop. Their work is second to none and, because of the new open EU, they get to stay on with us as staff without worrying about visas. Good for them--we pay three times what the NHS does where their classmates got the "easy" placements.

Now, foreign nationals seek out our services because of our multi-cultural staff. As an American "capitalist" I'm a very happy camper. There's profit and success in looking beyond prejudice.

 

[p_p_man]

I've often wondered about that p_pman. The Jews are, for the most part, genetically defined as a group. That was Hitler's target.
I suspect it's not that they were all "simply human beings" but here was a group who all feel related to each other.

As we all know, far more than 6,000,000 people were murdered by the Nazis but as the woman herself said, she could never go back to thinking of herself as just Jewish, fullstop, but as a sufferer among millions of sufferers.

Hers was only one small part in a much larger programme concerning the dissent and different camps forming in the WJC about the conduct of the Council in representing its members.

One side, for instance, thought it time to stop referring to the Holocaust in such a strident and repetitive manner, but at the same time never forget it happened. Others wanted to keep referring to it at every opportunity.

That's where the woman (and other survivors of the death camps) came into the programme.

I'll try and find a reference because it was thought provoking stuff.

Another issue involved was that not all the money received by the various Jewish organisations from the Swiss banks and for which no legal owners could be traced, had at that time filtered down to the actual few remaining survivors of the camps.

As this was meant to be one of the reasons for the money being handed over in the first place it raised further questions...

Anyway that's a bit off topic....

 

[lovetoread]

That's where the woman (and other survivors of the death camps) came into the programme.

I'll try and find a reference because it was thought provoking stuff.

Was it that show that was on Cinemax? Or maybe HBO?

I watched that and what you said sounds familiar.

 

[sunstruck]

As far as I have been able to tell from studying European history and being Jewish, the Jewish people, as a community, generally tend to thrive (eventually) wherever they find themselves displaced. This often pisses off those who believe they have toiled for generations and gotten nowhere.
I say tough shit. Take a lesson and use your engery for something more constructive than pointless hate and anger. You'll be amazed at the results.

 

[p_p_man]

Was it that show that was on Cinemax? Or maybe HBO?

I watched that and what you said sounds familiar.

This probably sounds ignorant, but what's Cinemax and HBO?



I saw it on British TV and I can't even remember the channel. It was last year because I remember watching it in my new apartment and I've been here since March 2001. So that narrows down the time period I saw it in.

It may well have a connection with the two organisations/distributors/channels (?) you mention but I honestly don't know.

But thanks that gives me another area to search.

As I said it was extremely interesting stuff and put paid to the myth that all Jews stick together through thick and thin. A perception which many people in the UK have. Thus adding fuel to the ant-semitic fire...

Whew! I brought the thread back to topic.

 

[Marxist]

Re: Another tidbit...

...sorry Marxist...not a Brit...American.

My GP is Pakastani. Our chemist is Indian. The gentleman who sells me petrol is Malaysian. Half of the students who train with us are not British nationals.

I thought that you were an American when you said ex-pat. I was referring to the British in the larger sense, not to you in specific.

Do me a favor though, speak American if you are one. A "chemist" is the guy who works at DuPont in a lab and "petro" is the name of my next door neighbor in my raza.

Thanx

 

[lovetoread]

This probably sounds ignorant, but what's Cinemax and HBO?

Whew! I brought the thread back to topic.

They are premium channels that you pay extra for on the cable and satellite packages that show movies.

And you did bring it back on topic. Was it as good for you as it was for me?

 

[Closet Desire]

Broaden your horizons...

If I'm in America or referring to a pharmacy in America I'll call it a pharmacy. However, a chemist in England is a bit different from a pharmacist in America hence my choice of words. I live here so I speak the language.

Wilde said the US and Britain were two countries divided by a common language. It's true...often we are not comparing apples to apples.

I love the BBQ from your neck of the woods. If I ask for it here I will be terribly disappointed.

When in Rome as they say...

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Another tidbit...

I thought that you were an American when you said ex-pat. I was referring to the British in the larger sense, not to you in specific.

Do me a favor though, speak American if you are one. A "chemist" is the guy who works at DuPont in a lab and "petro" is the name of my next door neighbor in my raza.

Thanx

It's his wife's influence...

You know, the one's who hold the real power!

 

[kotori]

It's always about "the other." There is a need to create a "them-and-us" attitude, and it's usually associated with less-educated people. You hear it everywhere. There is lots of racism where I live, mostly aimed against blacks, but as the population is becoming more diverse even here is the hinterlands, Mexicans and other Latinos, Vietnamese and South Asians are becoming targets. Nothing specific, mind you, but you hear comments, or see the way people eye each other.

But economic conditions have been so good in the past decade, that competition for jobs isn't currently an issue. It's scary to think of what might happen if that changes.



btw: Cinemax and HBO are cable television networks here in North America (fee charged). They do some original production, and frequently partner with various European broadcasters.