Over 100,000 innocent Iraqi citizens killed since the beginning of the war.

[Paendragon]

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Study: 100,000 Excess Civilian Iraqi Deaths Since War

By Patricia Reaney
LONDON (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed in violence since the U.S.-led invasion last year, American public health experts have calculated in a report that estimates there were 100,000 "excess deaths" in 18 months.

The rise in the death rate was mainly due to violence and much of it was caused by U.S. air strikes on towns and cities.

"Making conservative assumptions, we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq," said Les Roberts of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in a report published online by The Lancet medical journal.

"The use of air power in areas with lots of civilians appears to be killing a lot of women and children," Roberts told Reuters.

 

[p_p_man]

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We've known about the mass killing of Iraqi civilians by US excessive force for some time now. A figure as high as 100,000 can no longer be attributed to mistakes or suspect intelligence...

In seems more sinister than that...

ppman

 

[Purple Haze]

Sssshhhh!

We're not supposed to talk about this...

 

[overthebow]

Saddam killed somewhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqis in 30 years. (Feel free to dispute the numbers.)

We killed somewhere between 20,000 and 100,000 Iraqis in 18 months.

Is this what the framers of the Constitution had in mind?

 

[ruminator]

Saddam killed somewhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqis in 30 years. (Feel free to dispute the numbers.)

We killed somewhere between 20,000 and 100,000 Iraqis in 18 months.

Is this what the framers of the Constitution had in mind?

He scored higher than us. That means he's still winning. huh?

 

[p_p_man]

Saddam killed somewhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqis in 30 years. (Feel free to dispute the numbers.)

We killed somewhere between 20,000 and 100,000 Iraqis in 18 months.

The difference being of course is that the people you're killing, you're meant to 'liberating'...

ppman

 

[Purple Haze]

We couldn't just let Saddam kill and torture his own people.

Only we are allowed to do that, dammit...

 

[ruminator]

The difference being of course is that the people you're killing, you're meant to 'liberating'...

ppman

Yeah, don't forget that one big 'ol mass grave we liberated from the air. That really big, really huge one.




Hey, what really sucks is the report that GWB had at least 3 recommended strike attempts at Zarqawi at the start of the war and purposely passed on all 3.

Know that and look what's been done to the people in claims of striking the Zarqawi network.

 

[overthebow]

The difference being of course is that the people you're killing, you're meant to 'liberating'...

ppman

Funny how that works.

The Neo-Con impulses aren't bad. They really want to do good in the world. But letting them run the show is like cooking oatmeal and using lots of Serrano chilies instead of a little salt.

 

[Blindinthedark]

My question is does any one in the US care? Is this a case of "as long as it's not American lives ..."?

 

[ruminator]

Funny how that works.

The Neo-Con impulses aren't bad. They really want to do good in the world. But letting them run the show is like cooking oatmeal and using lots of Serrano chilies instead of a little salt.

....and convince the people who eat that you used salt.

 

[ruminator]

My question is does any one in the US care? Is this a case of "as long as it's not American ..."?

Most in the US don't even know. They would care if they knew but the media has kept it wrapped up in a flag so not many see it.

 

[p_p_man]

Yeah, don't forget that one big 'ol mass grave we liberated from the air. That really big, really huge one.




Hey, what really sucks is the report that GWB had at least 3 recommended strike attempts at Zarqawi at the start of the war and purposely passed on all 3.

Know that and look what's been done to the people in claims of striking the Zarqawi network.

The big build up of US troops around Fallujah is meant to both destroy the insurgent network completely and capture or kill Zarqawi...

If I were him, Fallujah would be the last place where I'd be hiding out.

All that's going to happen is a lot of destruction and many, many more deaths of the innocent. I know many people will ask why they don't get out to safety...

But they could have asked the same of the Brits during the German Blitz. Pride, stoicism, stupidity, defiance, possibly because for a simple reason like they have nowhere else to go.

But if the US doesn't succeed in achieving anything in this push Bush will just be knocking another nail in America's coffin...

ppman

 

[overthebow]

But if the US doesn't succeed in achieving anything in this push Bush will just be knocking another nail in America's coffin...

ppman

Another nail in America's coffin?

Take that coffin and shove it up your ass.

 

[ruminator]

The big build up of US troops around Fallujah is meant to both destroy the insurgent network completely and capture or kill Zarqawi...

If I were him, Fallujah would be the last place where I'd be hiding out.

All that's going to happen is a lot of destruction and many, many more deaths of the innocent. I know many people will ask why they don't get out to safety...

But they could have asked the same of the Brits during the German Blitz. Pride, stoicism, stupidity, defiance, possibly because for a simple reason like they have nowhere else to go.

But if the US doesn't succeed in achieving anything in this push Bush will just be knocking another nail in America's coffin...

ppman

That is still a multinational coalition in there.

 

[Blindinthedark]

Most in the US don't even know. They would care if they knew but the media has kept it wrapped up in a flag so not many see it.

That's very sad. I completely understand the anger over 9/11 but if I were Iraqi I'd be pretty pissed right now.

 

[p_p_man]

That is still a multinational coalition in there.

Not around Fallujah. The Black Watch have travelled up from the South to release 600-800 US troops for the attack to come. I think this is purely an America/Iraqi push...

ppman

 

[Lovin Tongue]

That's right, its the US government's fault that all these people are dying.

Not Saddam and his regime of murderers, not the UN (read: EUROPEANS) who insisted we use 10 years of sanctions to starve the Iraqi people and not the insurgents who set off car bombs in crowded Iraqi streets in order to try and get another group of their thugs into power.

All of those people are blameless! Keep living in dreamworld you bunch of fucking sheep!!!

 

[p_p_man]

Another nail in America's coffin?

Take that coffin and shove it up your ass.

Get real overthebow. The coalition is losing in Iraq and America stands to lose more than anyone else. From an already hated nation by the Arabs your country and people are going to be the prime target for years, if not decades, to come...

Not nice I know but in those years, or decades, to come just remember it was Bush who said "Bring 'em on!".

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

That's right, its the US government's fault that all these people are dying.

Not Saddam and his regime of murderers, not the UN (read: EUROPEANS) who insisted we use 10 years of sanctions to starve the Iraqi people and not the insurgents who set off car bombs in crowded Iraqi streets in order to try and get another group of their thugs into power.

All of those people are blameless! Keep living in dreamworld you bunch of fucking sheep!!!

That's what I like about you jingoistic, xenophobic unreal patriots...

Eventually you get hysterical...

ppman

 

[eagleyez]

insanity-

"what if you knew her and found her dead on the ground"

 

[ruminator]

Not around Fallujah. The Black Watch have travelled up from the South to release 600-800 US troops for the attack to come. I think this is purely an America/Iraqi push...

ppman

Honestly, how much can be left to push through?

The focus of the strategy was lost long ago. Allawi is playing both sides against the middle and blaming the US in a steadily increasing fashion.

I do believe that what's left of the good people of Fallujah would have turned Zarqawi over long ago, if he was there.

I would like to know what Kerry would do differently and what he might affect immediately if he is able to win the election.

 

[Jean Claude]

An Iraqi with an Ak-47 is a terrorist.
The same Iraqi who puts down that weapon, to have his lunch and gets smoked by an Apache, is a civilian.

The point is, no one knows the casualty rate. No one knows who is a terrorist, and who isn't. No humanitarian body is able to assertain, and they always tend to over estimate.

What we do know, and what we do have FACTUAL evidence for, are the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi's is mass graves - killed by Saddam.

 

[Ishmael]

Well, well. Another truck load of happy horse shit.

If you can't see through that little propaganda piece then you really are the product of government schools.

The article has more deflective qualifiers and less facts than a Jean Kerry speech.

"Estimated" and "Excess" are two dead giveaways that the authors don't know shit.

Ishmael

 

[Borscht]

An Iraqi with an Ak-47 is a terrorist.
The same Iraqi who puts down that weapon, to have his lunch and gets smoked by an Apache, is a civilian.

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On the contrary.

Any man woman or child killed by the occupation forces becomes, by that very act, a terrorist.

Don't you watch Fox ?