Outraged Muslims! Oh My!

[zeb1094]

From Neils News @ www.boortz.com.

We wake up this morning to see video on CNN showing rampaging Muslims around the world. In Europe, the Middle East, the Pacific Rim ... Muslim Mobs spreading mayhem. It seems that these mighty mad Muslims are rioting and firing their ever-present AK-47s into the air because of cartoons. Yup ... this latest epidemic of Muslim outrage comes to us because some newspapers in Norway and Denmark published some cartoons depicting Mohammed.
Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:
• Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
• A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
• Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
• Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
• Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
• Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.
Come on, is this really about cartoons? They're rampaging and burning flags. They're looking for Europeans to kidnap. They're threatening innkeepers and generally raising holy Muslim hell not because of any outrage over a cartoon. They're outraged because it is part of the Islamic jihadist culture to be outraged. You don't really need a reason. You just need an excuse. Wandering around, destroying property, murdering children, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the slightest perceived insult is to a jihadist what tailgating is to a Steeler's fan.
I know and understand that these bloodthirsty murderers do not represent the majority of the world's Muslims. When, though, do they become outraged? When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule? Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago. "As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?"
Indeed. Why not?

 

[ABSTRUSE]

That's the difference between Muslims and Muslims.

 

[gauchecritic]

My guess is, that it's more to do with one thing after another and clashes of culture.

It has been said many times on these boards that freedom of speech has a price, and the price is keeping a civil tongue in your head.

A few weeks ago I heard some American broadcaster moaning about what some Palestinian or other said about some Jew or other, how he hopes he dies or something and why wasn't the entire western world up in arms about it and racing to Palestine right now to right this evil wrong, because if a Jew had said the same about a Palestinian then there would be uproar.

Well, I suppose he feels well justified about his rant now, regardless of faith, creed or culture.

A muslim cleric in Britain today suggested that Muslim treat the situation (cartoon) with the contempt it deserves and give it no further publicity.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

 

[imalickin]

well i really feel that the outrage they (the muslims) display over the cartoon is miss placed. they should be outraged about the killing of children, fellow muslims and other living beings.

they should be outraged by what their fellow muslims are doing in the name of their god and their prophet.

 

[Stella_Omega]

All fundementalists are the same, in that regard. It's easiest to concentrate on the little things that feed the sense of apartness and specialness, makes you feel better.
Piss on 'em, and piss on the Christian fundies too, I don't see an iota of difference.

 

[silverwhisper]

stella: well, the christian fundies aren't terrorists (except for abortion clinic bombers).

ed

 

[Pure]

zeb,

you might have posted a more objective account of this kerfuffel; it's been in many papers, and began when a Danish paper published a cartoon of Mohammed with his upper head in the shape of a bomb, and a lighted fuse, atop. Then other European papers, after some muslims protests, reprinted it.

to be fair, in this case, a cartoon showing Jesus sodomizing a hooker, or getting sucked off by Mary would cause a bit of a ruckus in some of the US 'red states.'

 

[imalickin]

you might have posted a more objective account of this kerfuffel; it's been in many papers, and began when a Danish paper published a cartoon of Mohammed with his upper head in the shape of a bomb, and a lighted fuse, atop. Then other European papers, after some muslims protests, reprinted it.

to be fair, in this case, a cartoon showing Jesus sodomizing a hooker, or getting sucked off by Mary would cause a bit of a ruckus in some of the US 'red states.'

but would they kill, maim, kidnap muslims, fire rifles into the aire, burn property of others, look for westerns to beat up?

you don't have to answer that we all know it is a resonding 'NO'.

 

[Pure]

One typical new story that is not rightwing rant

Tension Rises Over Cartoons of Muhammad
Publication Widens In Europe as Protests Grow in Islamic World

By Molly Moore and Faiza Saleh Ambah

Washington Post Foreign Service

Friday, February 3, 2006; Page A01

PARIS, Feb. 2 -- Protests against European newspapers' publication of cartoons lampooning the prophet Muhammad gained momentum across the Islamic world Thursday as Pakistani schoolchildren burned French and Danish flags and Muslim presidents denounced the drawings. At the same time, more European news organizations printed or broadcast the caricatures, citing a need to defend freedom of expression.

In another day of confrontation between the largely secular nations of Europe and Muslim countries where religion remains a strong force in daily life, Islamic activists threatened more widespread protests and boycotts of European businesses. While some European officials sought to defuse the crisis, many journalists insisted that despite Islamic outrage, religious sensibilities should not result in censorship.


"We would have done exactly the same thing if it had been a pope, rabbi or priest caricature," wrote Editor in Chief Serge Faubert in Thursday's editions of France Soir, one of the newspapers that printed the cartoons.

Mahmoud A. Hashem, a businessman in Saudi Arabia reflecting broad sentiment in Muslim societies, called the cartoons just another example of a "sport to insult Islam and Muslims" after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Under Islamic teachings, any depiction of Muhammad, the faith's founder and messenger of God, is blasphemy, including depictions that are not negative. The cartoons violated that dictum, and many of them also ridiculed the prophet. In one, he is depicted as a terrorist, with his turban holding a bomb with a burning fuse.

Political analysts from both sides described the newspapers' printing of the cartoons as a dangerous incitement in a conflict that has already alienated the growing Muslim populations of West European nations and hardened extremists in both camps.

Alexandre Adler, author of "Rendez-vous With Islam," criticized the newspapers. "We're at war," he said, citing the Iraq insurgency and the electoral victories of the radical Palestinian group Hamas and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. "And sometimes war demands censorship. In this context, anything that might strengthen the hate of the West is irresponsible."

The European Union's trade commissioner, Peter Mandelson, said the continued printing of the cartoons was "throwing petrol onto the flames." Acknowledging the desire to stand up for press freedom, he said newspapers must understand "the offense that is caused by publishing cartoons of this nature."

But more news organizations continued to display the cartoons Thursday, including the BBC, which said it hoped to "give audiences an understanding of the strong feelings evoked by the story."

In the West Bank city of Nablus, Palestinian gunmen kidnapped a German citizen from a hotel restaurant and threatened to seize more foreigners. The German was later released, Palestinian security officials said.

Many Europeans left the Gaza Strip as a precaution Thursday. The E.U. shuttered its office there after warnings that staff members would be kidnapped. About a dozen gunmen briefly surrounded the empty building, firing their weapons. Some European countries warned citizens against travel in the Middle East.

In the city of Multan in central Pakistan, several hundred students from Islamic schools burned French and Danish flags in protest. Boycotts of Danish grocery products expanded across the Middle East

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NEWS STORY ALSO AT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm

CARTOONS AT--the twelve controversial cartoons are at several sites,

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm

 

[Stella_Omega]

stella: well, the christian fundies aren't terrorists (except for abortion clinic bombers).

ed

Bullshit. They do it in little ways, one person at a time.
Or, sometimes, one clinic at a time. Or, as in our recent past, one black man at time.

 

[imalickin]

well, there you go, burning, marching boycotting. over a cartoon. you know i doubt you would be out marching and burning flags if a that cartoon of the pope was printed. i doubt half the outrage would be expressed by the civilized peoples of the free world over a matter of free speech.

so i take it you are not a supporter of free speech?

 

[English Lady]

It's just a bit, you know, insensitive. As pure says, this kind of thing would upset people if it were Jesus or Buddha etc.


You're going to get into trouble if you go poking fun at someone's God.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Bullshit. They do it in little ways, one person at a time.
Or, sometimes, one clinic at a time. Or, as in our recent past, one black man at time.

You forgot the gays.

 

[silverwhisper]

stella quoth
bullshit. they do it in little ways, one person at a time. or, sometimes, one clinic at a time. or, as in our recent past, one black man at time.

what a strange, angry world you live in. i said that christian extremists are not terrorists, and specifically made mention of abortion clinic bombers as an exception. one isn't a terrorist in a little way: either one is a fucked-in-the-head-shit-for-brains terrorist or one isn't. and what do christian extremists have to do w/ hate crimes against black men?

you aren't making any sense--at least, not to me.

ed

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Free speech is a right. As with any right, it comes with a responsibility too. lampooning someone's god is calculated to incite this kind of response. Frem speech is not speech free from consequence, merely free from censure by the governement.

The author of the first article has a valid point though. If a supposedly small sect of your religion who advocates violence, follows through with violence, obstensibly in the name of your religion, and you do n othing, that sect will eventually come to define your religion in the perception of the public. If you sit quietly on your hands, while your religion is co opted by a small sect, you have very little in the way of grounds, when your religion is held up for ridicule as a tool of this small violent sect.

Further, if your reaction to such a cartoon is to immediatly threaten violence against people who come from the country the cartoons were printed in, you are reenforcing the violent extremists tag that the sect has made to be how you all are defined.

Muslims have let violent fanatics become the face of their religion. Christinas have let holier than thou, amen pew fundies come to be their face. neither religion can be defined by such a narrow crossectio of it's prationers. But that all gets lost in the shuffle when those particular faces grab headlines while the majority remain silent.

 

[Pure]

silver whisper,

here are another couple 'exceptions' to your rule--

murders/assassinations. note that the second was by a minister.

Christians--or some of them--do get a little 'feisty' on occasion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1250262.stm

Thursday, 29 March, 2001, 21:55 GMT 22:55 UK

Abortion doctor murder suspect held

"Atomic Dog" James Kopp is prominent among anti-abortion activistsA notorious American anti-abortion activist wanted for murder has been arrested in France.

James Kopp, 46, is charged with killing Barnett Slepian, in 1998. He has been on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list for the past two years. The US Department of Justice confirmed that it was beginning the process of extraditing Mr Kopp. The United States Attorney General, John Ashcroft, said he was "committed to bringing Mr. Kopp back to the United States to face these charges."

A Brooklyn couple have been arrested on suspicion of helping Mr Kopp evade arrest. French police said Mr Kopp was arrested in the town of Dinan, in the west of France.

Mr Slepian, a 52-year-old obstetrician, was killed by a sniper as he stood chatting with his wife and one of his four sons in the kitchen of their home in Amherst near Buffalo. The New York doctor carried out legal abortions at a women's clinic in Buffalo and also had a private medical practice.

Notorious James Kopp has been arrested several times for his anti-abortion activities. He is wanted in Canada and the US in connection with at least four other attacks on abortion doctors. He used several aliases and was known in anti-abortion circles as "Atomic Dog".

Last October, a Federal Grand Jury indicted Mr Kopp on two counts. He is charged with using deadly force to prevent Dr Slepian from providing reproductive health services and with using a firearm to commit violence. Both charges carry a sentence of life imprisonment.

Mr Kopp has been on the run since the shooting. The FBI offered a reward of $50,000 for information leading to his arrest. Two weeks ago, he was reported to have been traced to Ireland, where he had been working in a Dublin hospital. Police in New York have arrested two people they believe harboured the alleged murderer.


http://www.fadp.org/news/NaplesDaily-20030831(2).htm

First abortion clinic murderer scheduled to die for crime

Sunday, August 31, 2003 By DAVID ROYSE, Associated Press

TALLAHASSEE — Paul Hill, who justified the shotgun murders of an abortion doctor and an escort as a way to save unborn babies, is scheduled to go to his death Wednesday, becoming the first person in the country to be executed for abortion clinic terrorism.


Hill isn't fighting the execution. He wants to die and has proclaimed hope that his death may spur others to violence in a war against abortion. And fringe elements of the anti-abortion movement that condone clinic violence have practically invited such attacks on Web sites that portray Hill as a martyr. But members of the mainstream anti-abortion movement decry the calls for violence and have tried hard to distance their message from Hill's. They say Hill is misguided, not a martyr.

Still, a broad group of abortion foes and death penalty opponents have called on Gov. Jeb Bush to halt the execution, saying it only continues a cycle of violence. Some say if he receives a lethal injection Wednesday evening as scheduled, Hill's hopes for more clinic attacks may be realized. "God forbid somebody says, 'This person is talking to me,'" said Abe Bonowitz, an anti-death penalty advocate.

Hill's execution approaches amid a swirl of threats not only against clinics but against state officials, including Bush, who signed Hill's death warrant and vows it will go forward as just punishment. Four letters containing bullets were mailed to three state officials and the judge who sentenced Hill to death, along with warnings about the execution. Police continue to investigate the threats.

Hill, 49, was condemned for the 1994 murders of Dr. John Bayard Britton and his escort, retired Air Force Lt. Col. James Barrett, outside the Ladies Center in Pensacola. Hill also wounded Barrett's wife, June, in the attack. A minister, Hill was a well-known anti-abortion activist before the murders. He circulated a letter in 1993 justifying Michael Griffin's killing of another Pensacola abortion doctor, Dr. David Gunn. Griffin was sentenced to life in prison. "We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child," said the letter signed by 30 anti-abortion activists.

Hill promoted his views on national television talk shows and in media interviews and was a frequent protester at The Ladies Center, carrying signs reading "Execute Abortionists and Accessories."

He also attended the trial in Wichita, Kan. of Rachelle Shannon, who was convicted of wounding an abortion doctor in a shooting there. Hill said later that's when he started thinking about who should step forward to continue a quest to rid the country of abortion doctors. "I was praying the Lord would raise someone up to that capacity," Hill said in a 1994 interview. "And then I realized I might have been the one I was praying for."

Two days before the slaying, Hill bought a Mossberg 12-gauge shotgun and spent two days practicing at a gun range. In the early morning hours of July 29, Hill hid the gun in hedges outside the clinic. Strapped to his body were 22 additional rounds of buckshot and slugs.

About 7:30 a.m., Britton and the Barretts entered the clinic parking lot in a pickup truck. When James Barrett left the truck, Hill fired four shots, blasting him in the face and upper body. Hill then reloaded and fired three more shots. He knew Britton was wearing a bulletproof vest, so he aimed carefully. "I was shooting right at his head," Hill said.

 

[Stella_Omega]

what a strange, angry world you live in. i said that christian extremists are not terrorists, and specifically made mention of abortion clinic bombers as an exception. one isn't a terrorist in a little way: either one is a fucked-in-the-head-shit-for-brains terrorist or one isn't. and what do christian extremists have to do w/ hate crimes against black men?

you aren't making any sense--at least, not to me.

ed

I'm not surprised that you don't understand what I said.

 

[imalickin]

Free speech is a right. As with any right, it comes with a responsibility too. lampooning someone's god is calculated to incite this kind of response. Frem speech is not speech free from consequence, merely free from censure by the governement.

The author of the first article has a valid point though. If a supposedly small sect of your religion who advocates violence, follows through with violence, obstensibly in the name of your religion, and you do n othing, that sect will eventually come to define your religion in the perception of the public. If you sit quietly on your hands, while your religion is co opted by a small sect, you have very little in the way of grounds, when your religion is held up for ridicule as a tool of this small violent sect.

Further, if your reaction to such a cartoon is to immediatly threaten violence against people who come from the country the cartoons were printed in, you are reenforcing the violent extremists tag that the sect has made to be how you all are defined.

Muslims have let violent fanatics become the face of their religion. Christinas have let holier than thou, amen pew fundies come to be their face. neither religion can be defined by such a narrow crossectio of it's prationers. But that all gets lost in the shuffle when those particular faces grab headlines while the majority remain silent.

but the cartoon was not about their god, it was just their prophet. and yes i understand that with freedom come consequences. this is not about whether there should be consequences for the publishing of the cartoon.

it is about where the outrage for the atrosities listed in the quote were when they were commited.

 

[imalickin]

I'm not surprised thta you don't understand what I said.

i understood it perfectly.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

i understood it perfectly.

Ditto.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

but the cartoon was not about their god, it was just their prophet. and yes i understand that with freedom come consequences. this is not about whether there should be consequences for the publishing of the cartoon.

it is about where the outrage for the atrosities listed in the quote were when they were commited.

I'm not a muslim, but I am aware that depicting Muhhomad, even in a positive light, is a serious violation of their beliefs.

I didn't imply that Muslims were right to be going apeshit bonkers and threatening people. If you reread my post, I said quite the opposite, that they are contributting to the lable of extrmist nutjobs that the terrorists have already applied to their religion in the common perception.

 

[Stella_Omega]

i understood it perfectly.

darn, I was hoping to fix that mispelling in time! LOL

... Maybe the KKK are all Jewish? (ABS pointed that out, not me)

 

[silverwhisper]

pure: i'm well aware that rabid dogs exist in any faith and if i have given a contrary impression, for that (and my poor communication skills) i must apologize. stella_omega, i'm sorry if i've given that impression.

that said: look at what we're talking about here. they're still covered within the carve-out re: abortion clinic bombers. if you can show me christian extremist terrorists who are not bombers, i'll be happy to say that i'm wrong.

ed

 

[ABSTRUSE]

darn, I was hoping to fix that mispelling in time! LOL

... Maybe the KKK are all Jewish?

*mochachino spew*

 

[imalickin]

I'm not a muslim, but I am aware that depicting Muhhomad, even in a positive light, is a serious violation of their beliefs.

I didn't imply that Muslims were right to be going apeshit bonkers and threatening people. If you reread my post, I said quite the opposite, that they are contributting to the lable of extrmist nutjobs that the terrorists have already applied to their religion in the common perception.

i do appolgize colly. you are right, i mis-spoke.

why the masses of peacful muslims allow the few fanatic extremist ruin it for them is beyond comprehension.